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Post#81 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:30 am

Skyhawk1 wrote:Well, this loss has a lot to do with Zaza and J. Smith as well. I know JJ was a disaster down the stretch, but we can't live with Zaza as a C and J. Brick with his 5th row passes. I don't know of a team that allows more layups than the Hawks. It's amazing how big that hole in the paint is.


Zaza was 4-4 and had four boards. Smoove was 8-13 with 2 blocks and 3 steals.

We lost this game because our star wet the bed and there's stepped up.
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Post#82 » by HoopsGuru25 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

Josh that was less of a foul than the play where Joe lost the ball out of bounds. That was a joke call...especially with 2 seconds left in a tie game.
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Post#83 » by Harry10 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

flat out.... Joe is not a good player.... or atleast, he is not a closer.

Joe is way overrated. everybody played great, and Joe pretty much lost the game by himself. i would seriously offer Joe up for any decent trade.

i don't care how much Joe gets paid.... Hawks need to give over the team to Marvin.
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Post#84 » by Rip2137 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

Woodson doesn't understand the word DECOY.

They are going to go after Joe, then use that to get the other guys a shot. he didn't do it the entire 4th quarter.

Joe was crap, but he was crap the whole 4th. At some point your coach should call a play for someone else.

And with 2 seconds left, you SHOOTERS should be in the game on offense. Joe, Marvin, Chill, Josh, Salim, Lue. Those are the only guys that should be on the court. You don't have time for a offensive rebound.

The fact the people still argue that Woodson isn't a horrible coach is amazing to me.
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Post#85 » by Jjforprez » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

Roy did the right thing.... made the refs make a call. Unlike our go-to guy who settles too much for the jumper.... i gotta change my screen name :nonono:
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Post#86 » by dms269 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:31 am

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Zaza was 4-4 and had four boards.


But his defense was piss poor. He performed offensively but didn't do crap on defense as usual.
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Post#87 » by High 5 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:32 am

Pinot love wrote:if there was a no call and it went to OT, do you think you would have won?


Maybe. We outplayed Portland for over 3 quarters.
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Post#88 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:32 am

Are you guys serious with this Woody stuff? What stars don't get iso plays down the stretch? Woody is not a good coach but the players are responsible for this.
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Post#89 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:33 am

JoshB914 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Zaza was 4-4 and had four boards. Smoove was 8-13 with 2 blocks and 3 steals.

We lost this game because our star wet the bed and there's stepped up.


Please. Zaza had 4 3 point plays, and who knows how many two point plays, right in his mug.

You are going to criticize JJ after every loss. It is a given no matter what he does.
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Post#90 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:34 am

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But his defense was piss poor. He performed offensively but didn't do crap on defense as usual.


Fair enough, but you can't pin this loss on a backup center. And you definetely can't pin it on Smoove who played well.

Look at the box score. Smoove, Marv, AJ, Horford all with good games. I wonder why we lost?
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Post#91 » by High 5 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:34 am

Josh, you're becoming a joke with all this Joe stuff. You want to blame everything that goes wrong on him.
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Post#92 » by fo_o_fo_404 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:34 am

I'm not surprised at all.

Joe got handled by Roy. He's not a leader....he is not a superstar....he's a complimentary piece. And he's expendable right about now. His body language is wrong...and he's NOT vocal. Hell, does the guy ever say anything? It's like he's a mute out there.

Woody got outcoached by McMillan. FLAT OUT. As is the case most nights.

WAKE UP ASG. The time has come to shake some outta here and gave them a one way ticket out of town.

This loss is on Joe and Woody....period.
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Post#93 » by Retrovision » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:35 am

JoshB914 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Zaza was 4-4 and had four boards. Smoove was 8-13 with 2 blocks and 3 steals.

We lost this game because our star wet the bed and there's stepped up.


What star? Are you talking about that guy that gets paid star money but on a GOOD team is a sidekick?
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Post#94 » by Rip2137 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:35 am

Down the stretch? It was half of the 4th quarter with the lead. YOU DON"T TRY TO RUN THE CLOCK OUT WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT.

I wrote that against seattle and i am If you are winning for 3 quarters playing one way, play the last quarter the same way. Not wing iso for joe. and another. And another. And another. By the way, none of these have worked....lets call it again. And again. And again. Still hasn't worked? Lets try it again.
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Post#95 » by HoopsGuru25 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:35 am

JoshB914 wrote:Are you guys serious with this Woody stuff? What stars don't get iso plays down the stretch? Woody is not a good coach but the players are responsible for this.

Considering we didn't run iso plays to get a double digit lead...I'm not sure why you would call them when we are blowijng the lead. That's the problem with the Hawks. You can blame individual players all you want..but some how the blame has to be on the coach. It's impossible for ONE player to blow a double digit 4th quarter lead. We played exactly how we played in the Chicago game and Denver game in which we had the lead..the only difference is that Portland was good enough to come back and capitalize on it.

Woody HAS to go. Some one must be held responsible for all these choke jobs.
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Post#96 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:37 am

That was my point, Retro. Joe is supposed to be our star but he doesn't look interested in taking on that role and it shows.

I'm going to bring up JJ every time he plays terribly because he isn't supposed to be doing that. JJ should be the most criticized guy on this board. Yet our backup center and head coach always seems to get the blame.
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Post#97 » by Rip2137 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:38 am

And this dumbass thinks the team is getting sloppy with the lead. Yes Mike. It has nothing to do with slowing the tempo to a crawl with the lead.

You score when you run you dunce. You don't score when you slow it down. SO DON'T SLOW IT DOWN.
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Post#98 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:39 am

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Considering we didn't run iso plays to get a double digit lead...I'm not sure why you would call them when we are blowijng the lead. That's the problem with the Hawks. You can blame individual players all you want..but some how the blame has to be on the coach. It's impossible for ONE player to blow a double digit 4th quarter lead. We played exactly how we played in the Chicago game and Denver game in which we had the lead..the only difference is that Portland was good enough to come back and capitalize on it.

Woody HAS to go. Some one must be held responsible for all these choke jobs.


Defense is tighter at the end. All the teams run isos for their stars down the stretch. But the mistake Woody made is he thought JJ was one.
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Post#99 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:39 am

Considering we didn't run iso plays to get a double digit lead...I'm not sure why you would call them when we are blowijng the lead. That's the problem with the Hawks.


Exactly. It has happened every time we have had a lead in the 4th quarter. Even in the games we have won it has been the same story but fortunately our leads at times have been so big that we couldn't give the game away.
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Post#100 » by JoshB914 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:40 am

HoopsGuru25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Considering we didn't run iso plays to get a double digit lead...I'm not sure why you would call them when we are blowijng the lead. That's the problem with the Hawks. You can blame individual players all you want..but some how the blame has to be on the coach. It's impossible for ONE player to blow a double digit 4th quarter lead. We played exactly how we played in the Chicago game and Denver game in which we had the lead..the only difference is that Portland was good enough to come back and capitalize on it.

Woody HAS to go. Some one must be held responsible for all these choke jobs.


I agree with you on the play calling. And definetely some blame goes to Woody. But the first one people should be pointing the finger at is our star player.

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