ESPN: Hollinger on Kidd and Hawks

[DeShaunRed]

John Hollinger, ESPN.com: OK, so we've heard about Jason Kidd's interest in the Mavs, Cavs, Nuggets and Lakers. But let's turn this on its head -- which team could use Kidd the most?

The answer would be a team with wing players who like to run. A team with a glaring hole at the point and, perhaps, one in need of veteran leadership in the locker room. A team with enough scorers that Kidd wouldn't be asked to provide points, and a team close enough to doing something significant that Kidd could make a real difference.

So tell me, based on those criteria

[conleyorbust]

I'd rather go after Miller to be perfectly honest. I think he brings as much to the table at this point but doesn't have the name rec that Kidd does so the price tag probably isn't as high.

[jagstang76]

I think it would be cool to have Kidd in ATL, but I really don't it will make us that much better when we would be giving up half our team. One of our strengths has been our depth, and that would be substituted for a bunch of 10-day contract guys. If we could get Miller for much less, it would make more sense and accomplish almost the same level of team play. Kidd is far better than Miller in many ways, but is he going to hurt our chances when we don't have the depth to make up for an injury or two?

[conleyorbust]

I think it would be cool to have Kidd in ATL, but I really don't it will make us that much better when we would be giving up half our team. One of our strengths has been our depth, and that would be substituted for a bunch of 10-day contract guys. If we could get Miller for much less, it would make more sense and accomplish almost the same level of team play. Kidd is far better than Miller in many ways, but is he going to hurt our chances when we don't have the depth to make up for an injury or two?

Kidd is a much better rebounder and a slightly better defender and passer than Miller. He might go back to being a much better defender if he moved to another team but so far this season he hasn't been giving it on D. Miller is an accomplished passer and a much better scorer than Kidd and a solid rebounder for his position. He is also younger, less of an attitude problem (how many teams/coaches has Kidd gotten rid of? why would that not be a risk here?), and comes at half the price which is huge for signings and resignings this summer.

[reazun]

what if we dont get Miller? Id say Hollinger has a point. So, Im back on the Kidd bandwagon. And Ill probably be off of it in about an hour

[LL Cool Scott]

That would be an absolute steal for us. And I have absolutely ZERO confidence in our GM to pull it off. He rarely has the onions to make deals, which is probably a good thing considering how badly he got fleeced in the few deals he does make.

[killbuckner]

I just don't think that NJ would trade Kidd for backups. Hollinger is VERY high on Childress which is why he thinks of this as a potential trade, but I don't think that people around the league see Childress as a starting SF.

[Rip2137]

HEY!! I suggested this trade a few days ago in the Kidd thread. THIEF!!!

But the only reason that NJ would do it would be to clear future cap space. the reason it won't happen is that Atlanta has no draft picks to throw in.

But getting Zaza and clearing around 14 million of cap space when you are trying to rebuild would be a reason for them to do the trade.

[evildallas]

The one thing Kidd would bring that Miller doesn't is the star power to draw in more casual fans to the arena. I still doubt that NJ would take the offer. It is hard to sell the fan base on a complete salary dump move and Childress is only viable as a starter if they intent on dealing Jefferson as well (which they probably do, but it's easier said than done).

[conleyorbust]

The one thing Kidd would bring that Miller doesn't is the star power to draw in more casual fans to the arena. I still doubt that NJ would take the offer. It is hard to sell the fan base on a complete salary dump move and Childress is only viable as a starter if they intent on dealing Jefferson as well (which they probably do, but it's easier said than done).

Right, but in that Dallas-Portland-NJ deal on ESPN they recieve Stackhouse, Outlaw, Jack, and Frye. That's obviously more than what they'd get from us, but they didn't turn that one down apparently, Dallas didn't want to lose Harris for Kidd.

In a deal with us they get Chil, a starter if they keep rebuilding, plus a lot of expiring dollars plus a player who has the capacity to start in the frontcourt and create his own shot (unless Zaza really is done for).

[Master8492]

It's tough to see AJ go, but I'd do this deal in order to get rid of Lue and Zaza.

[Skyhawk1]

If we had J. kidd and could keep all of our young guys except J. Chill, we'd be a top 4 team in the East. Yahoo reports that NJ GM has been working hard to trade J. Kidd after he said publicly he wants out of NJ. That's when you make offers, when teams have nice pieces and are desperately looking to ship their stars out. Think of V. Carter and a few other players who got traded in the heat of the moment. I think a 3rd team would be necessary here. J. Chill isn't not enough for them along with the expiring, but hey, if you got a chance to trade for a guy like Kidd, you must do so.

[Jjforprez]

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Right, but in that Dallas-Portland-NJ deal on ESPN they recieve Stackhouse, Outlaw, Jack, and Frye. That's obviously more than what they'd get from us, but they didn't turn that one down apparently, Dallas didn't want to lose Harris for Kidd.

In a deal with us they get Chil, a starter if they keep rebuilding, plus a lot of expiring dollars plus a player who has the capacity to start in the frontcourt and create his own shot (unless Zaza really is done for).

Well hell, if Portland is even entertaining the idea of moving Outlaw and Jack, let's go after them! I love Outlaw... the guy has guts, and an outside shot that's money. All Portland gets in the Kidd deal is Devin Harris and Brandon Bass??? Surely we can match that.... I'm sure Harris is the real prize as far as they're concerned, but they need some rebounding help and some banging in the middle. We ate them for lunch down low last game... we've got plenty of F/C to give them some rebounding. Zaza, Shelden, LoWright, Solo... come on BK, get off your ass and try something, anything!!

[evildallas]

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Right, but in that Dallas-Portland-NJ deal on ESPN they recieve Stackhouse, Outlaw, Jack, and Frye. That's obviously more than what they'd get from us, but they didn't turn that one down apparently, Dallas didn't want to lose Harris for Kidd.

In a deal with us they get Chil, a starter if they keep rebuilding, plus a lot of expiring dollars plus a player who has the capacity to start in the frontcourt and create his own shot (unless Zaza really is done for).

That's what I thought when seeing the story, that the Portland prospects blow away our offer. I don't think it's a great deal for Portland even getting Devin Harris because of how Outlaw is developing and overall chemistry. I think the problem is that NJ wants Harris, but he's also the only way to get Portland involved.

[JoshB914]

I think Portland is the team that is going to axe that three team. Outlaw is a really nice piece for them.

If we could really give up Chillz and fillers to get Kidd we better do that.

[HoopsGuru25]

Getting Kidd would be a disaster. If he doesn't trust Rod Thorn why would he trust Billy Knight? You also have to look at the New Jersey roster and on paper it's the same as ours....yet they suck even worse than we do. Kidd is overrated....and I'm not buying that we are going to get him w/o Marvin,Smith,or Horford being involved.

[HoopsGuru25]

We ate them for lunch down low last game... we've got plenty of F/C to give them some rebounding. Zaza, Shelden, LoWright, Solo... come on BK, get off your ass and try something, anything!!

That's a big pile of garbage. Bass has been more productive than any of our backup big men(he's younger too) and Harris(who has about the same value as Marvin) is having a good year and plays great defense. Portland already has Webster/Jones at the 3 and Rodriguez and Blake make Jack(who is not really a true pg)expendable. That's what happens when you stockpile talent like the Blazers have. They have 9-10 assets with good trade value while we only have 4-5. Don't forget that they get two more rotation players in Rudy Fernandez and Greg Oden soon.

[D21]

Instead of giving more than $41M on the next two years to a 33 years old Kidd, I would prefer giving $28M to a 29 years old Bibby, or at least consider it, more than Miller.

[Venables]

If we could really give up Chillz and fillers to get Kidd we better do that.

Of course we would IF we could.

I like Hollinger a lot, but c'mon, there's no way that deal gets it done.

We do it in a hearbeat.

NJ could do a lot better.

[conleyorbust]

Getting Kidd would be a disaster. If he doesn't trust Rod Thorn why would he trust Billy Knight? You also have to look at the New Jersey roster and on paper it's the same as ours....yet they suck even worse than we do. Kidd is overrated....and I'm not buying that we are going to get him w/o Marvin,Smith,or Horford being involved.

Indeed, I'd rather go for Miller just based on contracts and the fact that Miller is fairly proficient at scoring in a couple ways.