Rethinking these Hawks

[td00]

I have spent some time thinking about what players would actually make us a playoff team that could so some damage. So many people have been wanting another shooting guard here (Mike Miller, Kapono), but I gotta say, that is not their weakness here.
I compare it to the NO Hornets: the reason they are on the rise and playing so well is because of one position: I won't mention his name, but #3 gives them a dimension that is a true advantage.

Folks, this is truly what this team is missing. They need a natural born leader at the 1. Look how much better the Lakers have played because of DFish. He and Bynum have really filled their holes.
Now, we have Horford and I really think BK FINALLY got it right. He is getting better and producing major stats with major minutes. He is our Amare Stoudamire.

I cannot think of anyone better for this team at the 1 who would be available than JKidd. I know we have discussed this, but would it be possible to get him without touching our core of 3: Josh, JJ, & Horford. I say it might take Marvin and Chills and that might be alot, but we need to take the next step because we need a natural leader who can get the ball to our offensive guys. And JKidd doesn't exactly struggle on the offensive end.

Someone call the Nets and see what they are asking for to get JKidd in a Hawks uni.

Give me some realistic options here. I would like to play this out so we can make some noise outside of Round 1. That would take the hurt out of not having a #1 next year.

Another option: Does anyone think Monta Ellis is available?

[conleyorbust]

Gotta say td, don't see it happening. Kidd makes 20 million dollars which makes everything complicated and in itself is probably a deal breaker because I doubt Hawks ownership wants to take on that much salary. Trading for Kidd at this point would be a desperation move, something we'd do if we though it would get us closer to the finals or something. He is 34 and will be 35 by the end of the season and is having his worst season ever.

Honestly, Miller has a contract half the size that runs the same length and probably has more in the tank. He is almost as good at pushing the pace and is less of scoring liability. Beyond that, Kidd wants to go to a contender and he has shown that he will dog it if he isn't getting his way.

Ellis ain't happening unless we want to give up Horford or Smith. GS loves him.

[lunarblues]

jason kidd won't be coming to atlanta anytime soon. his contract is much too big for the ASG to swallow. if anything, they will be looking for a PG that would be looking for something between 7-9 million a year since lue and AJ will be gone soon. i would think that we could look at picking up one of the blazers or sonics point guards. also a player that we could be looking at is jamaal tinsley. he's making a solid buck with the pacers, but they are going to be looking at rebuilding soon and we could probably look at getting him for tyron lue and sheldon williams.

[D21]

Getting Kidd is for a team one better PG to be contender, no a team like ATL which would be sure to be in playoff these next two years with Kidd, but for what, 1st or second round exit ? then Kidd won't play and you will not have Marvin and Childress here anymore...?
And he won't want to come here.
If ATL was 3rd in the East, just behind DET, it would be a different story, not a big different, but enough to think about it.

But today, for ATL and for Kidd, he's to old to come in ATL.

[conleyorbust]

They'd probably give Tins away for some used sneakers. I don't want him though, he makes Josh Smith look like a marksman.

[lunarblues]

my first choice would be miller but we all were trying to steal him from the sixers and now that's now going to happen. tinsley is a downgrade from miller but he would cost alot less to get than miller. we would keep childress and upgrade the position

tinsley/johnson/law would be very good for getting us in the playoffs.

[td00]

But I think Tinsley has gotten only as good as he is going to be. I don't think he brings any value to us. We already have AJ and Lue for his role.
I just think we need someone to show these guys the way to be successful in the playoffs. While JKidd does have a huge salary (like Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, etc.), he truly makes those around him better.
What has happened in New Jersey to me is just not being able to move forward once Byron Scott was let go. I think JKidd has 4-5 years left in him.
JKidd led them to the finals twice; hey, listen to LeBron. He wants JKidd to come there for guess what reason: to take them to the next level.
I trust LeBron's judgement much more than BK, who thinks we don't need a PG. IMO, this is the missing link for any success for this team. The Lakers too were in need of his services until they saw that Derek Fisher might be able to get the job done.
Can JKidd played for Woody? That is another dilemna.
I think he would fit here; now for salary ramifications, the Hawks need to determine if they are going to move forward and quit being on the lower end of the league cap wise.
I just think it is going to be impossible to sign all of our current players:
the 2 Joshes, Marvin, Shelden, resigning JJ, will definitely increase our base and I don't think this unit will be able to stay together that long, successful or not.
The cost to get JKidd will not be more than any other contending team will have to deal with. We have one all-star and one or two up-and-coming in Smoove and Horford. You have to see if the numbers work and I just don't see it needing more than a 7-10 million/year increase once the transaction has taken place. Remember, you are taking away salary as well.
I just think it is worth pursuing since he is considered expendable in NJ.
Going for Andre Miller could cost you just as much as I don't think Philly is as determined to move him.

[conleyorbust]

Just based on reputation, NJs asking price for Kidd will be higher than Philly's for Miller. It's possible that Kidd has a few more years in his body, but its also possible he'll decline soon and hard: Kidd had a PER in the mid-19s for the four years preceding this one, this season its been in the 15s.

Beyond that, I'd love to see ASG be aggressive but there is a time for it. This is not the time to invest $20m in a 34 year old, in addition to getting a starting caliber pg, we need to bolster our bench and we can't do that with Kidd's salary on the books; especially if we give Smith a good contract.

[evildallas]

GSW fans are looking for Josh Smith in any deal that includes Monta Ellis. No way Ellis is traded, but he is a RFA that will attract some attention in off season.

On the one hand, Tinsley is playing well this season. On the other he has a long large contract and history doesn't look favorably on him in terms of health.

[jagstang76]

I also don't want to see Kidd come here. Not that it wouldn't be great to have him, but it just doesn't work financially for the good of this team's future. We have a lot of great pieces, and the last thing we need is a solid PG to put it all together. I really wish Speedy hadn't struggled so much with his knees because he would have been the answer in many ways. But now we have to look at finding that guy who can push the tempo, dish it to our wings, and play solid defense. I think Miller is the best option we could get right now. It's just a matter of how much it would take to get him. Watson might be another good option as he can dish it out and defend pretty well. His price tag is significantly less than Kidd or Miller, so maybe he will be the best option if SEA is interested in moving him.

[JoshB914]

No way GS deals Ellis. They might not even deal him for Smith. Smoove and Monta are going to be two of the league's great stars in a couple of years.