Lue will be the downfall of the Hawks

SouthernBred · Post #1 » by **SouthernBred** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:08 am

If we play this washed up clown like this for the rest of the season we will miss the playoffs. We were winning when he was hurt. He comes back in 08 and we start losing. Playing him forces Joe to do everything because Lue cannot beat anyone off the dribble...but hey he can shoot and make wide open 3 ptrs.

He's not a good distributer and dosn't push the ball on the break. He's had like six or seven 10 ast games since he's been a Hawk (4 yrs). Thats not what you want from a pg. Why does woody love him so? He should play 10 mins a game max not 30+.

We need a Law/AJ backcourt.

will · Post #2 » by **will** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:11 am

This topic has been beaten to death.

Just watch, next game, Lue leads the Hawks to an improbable 50 point comeback and then opinon sways.

Then the next game, Lue will kill the Hawks with his horrible play.

Personally, I've run out of emotions on how I feel about Lue.

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:27 am

Sadly, AJ played like crap tonight (actually has been bad since the suspension) and Lue came in a gave the team a spark. I agree that Lue is fools gold and for every good outing he has, he has several negatives. What I think it means is that we still need a PG. I doubt we acquire one and it could become our achilles heel in a playoff run.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #4 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:34 am

. To be honest Lue wasn't nearly as bad tonight as he is other nights. We were able to hide him defensively because he had to guard Eric Snow. To be honest...I don't mind Lue playing as long as Law is getting his minutes. I can deal with one mediocre vet pg getting minutes but not two. Keeping our lottery pick on the bench for these two bums who probably won't even be on the team next year is disgusting. It's in the Hawks' best interest for the future that they start Law ASAP and decide who get's to back him up.

SouthernBred · Post #5 » by **SouthernBred** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:45 am

Lue can play but lordy he should not get the bulk of the minutes with law getting 1 min of play or a DNP. He didn't get abused only because Snow is the worst scoring pg in the game.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #6 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:54 am

I think a better case can be made for Law getting AJ's minutes than Lue's. AJ is only a set shooter who can't get inside vs most guards. Lue hits tough shots off the dribble which Law or AJ can't do. I think AJ would struggle if he were to play with the 2nd team because he wouldn't have Joe or Josh to set him up for open 3s. I think Law should start because we need to develop him and I also think he brings the ability to easily take his man off the dribble which Lue and AJ don't. He also has much,much more lateral quickness defensively than them too.

JoshB914 · Post #7 » by **JoshB914** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:06 am

Lue the downfall? He hardly plays. This is ridiculous.

SouthernBred · Post #8 » by **SouthernBred** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 8:13 am

So 29 mins is hardly playing?
Hawks: 11-18 when he plays and 10-7 (11-7 Miami game) without him

Now thats ridiculous

Hes short and slow-footed which makes him a liability on defense, we gotta double whoever hes guarding. Title of thread might sound kind of harsh/dumb but its the truth.

Rip2137 · Post #9 » by **Rip2137** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 3:33 pm

And most of his shots are Josh Smith jumpers.

What I mean is that even if they go in, you wished he hadn't taken it becuase i was probably a bad shot.

He dominates the ball way too much. We have had a run where we havent had to play against penetrating guards so we are winning, so thats good. And that is why his numbers and production is better.

the sad thing, however, is that while we were playing against all these slowfooted guards, we could have been giving Law minutes and getting his confidence with him being able to drive against them.

Acie Law had 8 assist and no turnovers 3 games ago. since then he has played 5 minutes, DNP, and 1 minute.

Once again, another example of a guy playing well and being rewarded by getting benched.

Welcome to Solomon Jones Island, Acie.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #10 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 3:44 pm

Hes short and slow-footed which makes him a liability on defense, we gotta double whoever hes guarding. Title of thread might sound kind of harsh/dumb but its the truth.

I don't think any one here is a fan of Lue but the timing of the thread is weird because Lue has been outplaying AJ recently. AJ has been pretty bad since the Portland debacle and we have came back/played better when Law(Jersey and Clippers) and Lue(Philly,Cleveland,Cavs) come in. I think a better case can be made for Law taking AJ's starting spot and Lue remaining the backup pg.

LL Cool Scott · Post #11 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:08 pm

I would like to nominate this for most nonsensical thread of the season. Anyone want to second that?

Master8492 · Post #12 » by **Master8492** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:18 pm

People were doubting AJ at the beginning of the season when Lue is injured and he proves people wrong. I don't see how you can't see AJ is far superior than the so called closer.

I think if Woody plays Lue down the stretch a lot, then it's extremely harder to get into that 6th seed.

SouthernBred · Post #13 » by **SouthernBred** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:25 pm

LL Cool Scott wrote:I would like to nominate this for most nonsensical thread of the season. Anyone want to second that?

So you think Lue is good? He kills ball movement once he gets in the game. Hes ok when he gives up the ball early in the shot clock and becomes a spot shooter. There's more to being a pg than shooting jumpers off a pick and roll.

Acie has a good half, and gets rewarded by getting benched in the 2nd half.

Lue has a good game and gets like a 5 game pass because he makes a difficult, off balance shot, that barely went in to beat the Lakers.

Hawks are and will forever be a mediocre team with Lue at pg.

tontoz · Post #14 » by **tontoz** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:36 pm

Lue and AJ are both career backups for a reason. They aren't that good.

AJ is averaging 6/5 on the season shooting 42%. Not impressed.

Lue is a better scorer but doesn't pass and can't defend. I am hoping that the Hawks are showcasing Lue right now for teams that need a veteran scoring pg.

JoshB914 · Post #15 » by **JoshB914** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:37 pm

T Lue has been playing well and hitting shots of late. I have no issues with him being in for offensive purposes at the end of games. His minutes will probably drop off again once his shot stops falling. It is just unbelievable to me how people are scared to blame our "star" Joe Johnson for the losses. He is the biggest reason people.

tontoz · Post #16 » by **tontoz** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:45 pm

JoshB914 wrote:T Lue has been playing well and hitting shots of late. I have no issues with him being in for offensive purposes at the end of games. His minutes will probably drop off again once his shot stops falling. It is just unbelievable to me how people are scared to blame our "star" Joe Johnson for the losses. He is the biggest reason people.

Maybe it's because everyone else realizes JJ has been playing hurt and that we have major problems at the point, center and the bench.

LL Cool Scott · Post #17 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 9:47 pm

It doesn't really matter which one of our mediocre point guards is in the game, they're all basically ineffective. I don't see how our fate could possibly rest on the amount of playing time Tyronn Lue and Anthony Johnson get.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #18 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:49 am

JoshB914 wrote:T Lue has been playing well and hitting shots of late. I have no issues with him being in for offensive purposes at the end of games. His minutes will probably drop off again once his shot stops falling. It is just unbelievable to me how people are scared to blame our "star" Joe Johnson for the losses. He is the biggest reason people.

Joe is not playing as well as he did last year but there is nothing we or Woody can do to fix that until he is healthy. He's also not hurting the development of any one playing behind him and he's still our best offensive player by a wide margin despite playing through injury.

I think playing Lue and AJ over Law is extremely dumb and it's hurting the future of this team. Deron Williams(and Raymond Felton)also got off to a pretty bad start(sub 40% shooting like Acie) when they came off the bench in the 1st half of the season until Sloan realized that maybe Keith Mcloud shouldn't be starting over his top 3 draft pick despite them being in a playoff race. I'm not saying Law is going to be as good as Deron(or close) but he would improve tremendously if we put him in the starting lineup. The Hawks would also be in a much better situation in the future by handing the keys over to him now...There is a good chance that neither Lue or AJ will be here next year.

tontoz · Post #19 » by **tontoz** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:21 am

I think playing Lue and AJ over Law is extremely dumb and it's hurting the future of this team. Deron Williams(and Raymond Felton)also got off to a pretty bad start(sub 40% shooting like Acie)

Derons monthly splits rookie year

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... 06&sType=2

Rip2137 · Post #20 » by **Rip2137** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:52 am

Acie is yet to play 30 minutes in a game yet. that is completely insane when Tyrone Lue and Anthony Johnson are the guys ahead of him.

The difference between Portland and Atlanta: Last year, Nate gave his young guys the franchise and let the play, good or bad. They got the experience and now they can produce. Last year when it was obvious that we werent' going to get in the playoffs pretty early, guys like Solo, sheldon and Salim couldn't see the court because of important guys like Lue, AJ and Lo Wright needed minutes(that was sarcasm there). They finally got minutes the final month and while they didn't produce wins, they did show they could be effective in the NBA. What did that get them....the bench this year.