Anybody else surprised that Salim is still here?

[Jjforprez]

Considering how it seems Woodson can't stand him, I'm really surprised they didn't figure out a way to send Salim packing....

I guess that doesn't mean it still won't happen, but did the Hawks just make room for Salim to get some PT??? Could it be?

[raleigh]

No. They tried to trade him for Justin Williams, but Justin blocked that part of the trade. A 2nd rounder was substituted instead.

Personally, I expect Salim to be gone by Thursday.

(They tried to trade him to the Knicks last year, FWIW).

[Skyhawk1]

I'm not surprised. No one wants him. Keep the good moves BK and send that guy faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away.

[jagstang76]

I'd like to see him get another chance. Honestly, Woody has stifled Salim's learning process by sitting him all the time. He should be able to at least come off the bench with some energy and scoring punch. He can fill it up fast and pester the opposing PG for a few minutes a game. Maybe if we can get him on the court with Bibby and JJ a little, he might be an additional headache for defenses. I don't know. I feel his frustration and would like to see him show what he's capable of besides frumping on the bench every night.

[JoshB914]

I hope we are shopping Salim for a backup big man with an attractive contract.

[HoopsGuru25]

Salim will get a chance to play if he deserves it. The Hawks only have 3 bench players we know will be in the rotation(Law,Chil,Zaza)and Chil is the only one who has played well all season. If Chil is hurt for this road trip then that means that one of Mario/Richardson/Salim would have to step up and separate themselves from the pack. I like Mario the most but the other two can hit outside shots which we desperately need off the bench.

[raleigh]

I hope we are shopping Salim for a backup big man with an attractive contract.

I have some beachfront property in Kansas right here:



Interested?

Seriously, I hope the Hawks are shopping Salim for a real 3rd PG - a veteran in case of an injury to Law or Bibby.

[td00]

He isn't going to get any time based on his last gunslinger outing. He doesn't help except for a long jumper or two.
Yes, this is still what we need, but you can't have him developing sitting on the sideline.
He may still be here for a while, but don't expect him to contribute to anything other than our shooting %.

[evildallas]

Salim's only value in a trade is to match salary. We'd have to give up our 2010 1st or Zaza or Chill to get a back up big man or maybe a future 2nd. Given up Zaza and Chill kind of defeat the purpose.

What would a future 2nd net us? Ryan Hollins? I'd rather sign a C from the D-league and give them a try.

[smabie]

He isn't going to get any time based on his last gunslinger outing.

That would be the Phoenix game, which was his first game after having sat for 19 straight games. In which he played 13 minutes, and shot 1-7 (one blocked), but had 2 Rebounds, 2 Blocks, an Assist, and no turnovers (and was -1 for the game). Conversely, in the same game, JJ shot 3-14 in 25 minutes, had 1 assist, 3 TOs, and 8 rebounds. Oh yeah, Stoudamire should definitely be punished for that game.

How about the game before that, where he only took 1 shot in 10 minutes? Not a gunslinger there.

Salim Stoudamire has not been used properly nor consistently enough to praise or punish this season. When he was last used consistently/properly -- last March -- he consistently shot at least 40%, usually better than 50%. I'd definitely consider him a better option than Lue, in the lineups where Woodson has been playing both Law and Lue.

He doesn't help except for a long jumper or two.
Yes, this is still what we need, but you can't have him developing sitting on the sideline.
He may still be here for a while, but don't expect him to contribute to anything other than our shooting %.

Oh, sure, its Salim's fault that he's been sitting on the sideline, so its his fault that he's not been developing....

Oh, that's right, that's Woodson's job. I forgot. I'm so used to Woodson being the best and smartest coach on the floor every given night, I can't help but ignore when he makes what might be considered a mistake by some people...

I'm happy we got Bibby. But I still think Woodson needs to be kept on a short leash, and anything less than 2-3 on this road trip needs to be rewarded with a spot for him in the unemployment line.

[killbuckner]

Salim's chances of staying in the league were based on his ability to hit 40% from 3 or becoming a passable PG. He is a terrible passer even for a SG so PG is completely out of the question and he simply hasn't shot the ball well enough from outside to justify any PT.

[D21]

I would not say he deserves to be here, but I don't agree on saying he should be gone.
Let's see what he can do with now with a better PG. If we see that Woody uses some systems to creates open shots for Salim, and he does not hit these shots, OK. But for now, let's give him a chance to show, even if I think the problem is he needs to take some shots to be hot, and that there's not enough playing time for waiting that.

But it would be hurting one more time if he goes to another team and start to be a constant shooter, like there's a chance to see Shelden getting double-double in SAC.

[killbuckner]

D21- if the Hawks got Andre Miller then I would think Salim could have some more value. Miller can guard SG's and he doesn't need to shoot a ton to be effective. But Bibby doesn't really have the ability to slide over to SG on defense and he is going to shoot more than the Hawks PG's were which reduces the number of shots available for the rest of the team.

[Rip2137]

Eddie House is a worse defender, ball handler and passer than Salim yet he has managed to be part of a championship contending (well...the Nets weren't really contenders...playoffs though!!) for at least the last 3-4 seasons.

The difference between the two is that Eddie has coachs that know how to use him, Salim does not.

And say what you want about his passing, there is no way you can argue that he doesn't feed the post and run the pick and roll better than Lue. He also is a better defender than Lue. He also didn't stifle the entire offense. There was simply no reason for him not to get consistant minutes while Lue did.

[HoopsGuru25]

Rip how can you say Lue stifled the offense more than Salim? Salim shoots more than any body on the team besides Joe when he's in the game which makes him a huge ball hog and liability to shoot the Hawks out of the game when given extended minutes. Salim's only way of making it in this league is as a spot up shooter..not a volume shooter.

[raleigh]

The difference between the two is that Eddie has coachs that know how to use him, Salim does not.

BS.

The difference is that House knows how to make a positive impact on the team as a role player. Salim never made that adjustment.

[Rip2137]

Rip how can you say Lue stifled the offense more than Salim? Salim shoots more than any body on the team besides Joe when he's in the game which makes him a huge ball hog and liability to shoot the Hawks out of the game when given extended minutes. Salim's only way of making it in this league is as a spot up shooter..not a volume shooter.

Because he does what my old coach used to say. He shoots it or moves it. The ball doesn't stay in Salims hand. He is either rotating the ball or shooting it or taking that step in for either a shot or pass out.

Lue pounds the ball, which will anger any coach anywhere. Dribbles without really going anywhere then forcing up a shot.

And if you look, with comparable minutes, Salim shoots the ball around the same amout of times as Lue, only he isn't as much a liability on defense and like I said before, he can actually throw a entry pass and run a pick and roll.

[Rip2137]

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BS.

The difference is that House knows how to make a positive impact on the team as a role player. Salim never made that adjustment.

eddie never made an adjustment. He found coaches that said "you know what eddie, you are a shooter and a scorer. Get out there and do what you do."

Eddie averaged 9 shots a game in 17 minutes in Phoenix, almost 8 shots in 16 minutes with Jersey and 7 shots in 19 minutes with Boston.

There is virtually NO difference between these two guys games except that Eddie can't really handle the ball and is a worse defender. Yet Mike D'antoni, Lawrence Frank and Doc Rivers were able to use him and use him well.

[HoopsGuru25]

Rip..you do realize Salim has higher usage than Lue...despite having less assist and shooting worse from the field. Salim is an undersized volume shooting 2guard who doesn't have the size two defend 2 guards. He's also had a history of being a bad teammate dating back to his college days. There's no way that Salim is better than Lue. Saying Lue is a bigger ballhog than Salim is ridiculous. Salim shoots shots you expect much more talented players to take. He has no future in this league except as a spot up shooter and he is too big of a ball hog to play that role. Rooting for Salim to get more playing time is like roting for Willie Green...why would you give more playing time to an inefficient undersized player(who happens to be a malconent) who could possibly shoot you out the game?!

[JoshB914]

Eddie House plays because he MAKES SHOTS. Salim does not make shots. They are used the exact same way (when on the floor). If anything House has been thrust into a tougher situation having to be the backup PG there. Yes they are the same type of player, but House is effective because he actually scores.

I don't understand the stuff about playing Salim more. We are in a playoff race. Can we really afford to throw a guy out there for a bunch of 1-7 games until he "finds his rhythm?" It seems that whenever Salim isn't playing people want him on the floor. But whenever he does consistently we all remember why he rides the pine. Remember how bad he was for nearly the entire last season when Woody played him every game? He was good in the last month of the year (so was Shelden), but before that everyone wanted him on the bench. Go back and look at the threads.