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Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:49 am**

Marvin Williams has hit all of 1 three-point shots all season

Just so you know how ridiculous that is, here are some other 3pt totals from this season:

Brad Miller - 26
Marcus Camby - 4
Spencer Hawes - 3
Oleksiy Pecherov (Scrub C on the Wiz) - 12
Josh Smith - 20

Again,

Marvin Williams - 1

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:55 am**

Hurts the team pretty badly and leaves us with less options. That's horrible production out of a 3 IMO. However, I have brought this up plenty of times this year, and I remember some of the Hawk fans being content with it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:16 am**

The only 3 he hit is that half court shot the 2nd game of the season against Detroit.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:18 am**

I was okay with it when he was shooting lights out from 2 point range because of fear that trying to stretch his range would hurt his normal percentage. His hot start was offset by a slump and his season average in back in line with his career 44% average. As such I've changed my opinion. He might as well try to stretch his range now. There is no reason he shouldn't be able to at least match Josh Smith's effectiveness of 26%.

I do know that if he hasn't added more range to his shot by next season that I would be very careful investing long term in him. His qualifying offer for the following year as a #2 is 7.35M. Maybe I'm impatient, but I'm not seeing enough to merit much more than that in salary.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:23 am**

I wouldn't be upset at all if we moved him.

No one can deny the kid has skills. It's his heart that I question and have always questioned. He'll have like short bursts of emotion out there on the court and the rest of the time he looks kind of lost or blase.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:37 am**

He has only taken like 6 or 7 3pters all season. He has hit plenty of shots from just inside the line, I'd like to see him take more 3pters. He can't be worse than Josh Smith.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:04 am**

I think with Bibby onboard Marv should be replace by Chillz in starting lineup. Bibby's a better shooter than Marv and he can thus come as part of a second unit with Salim for a little punch. JC brings the energy, scrappines and defense that Marvin lacks entirely.

Anyway, might as well shuffle the deck as this lineup is obviously not working that great, so nothing to lose really.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:27 am**

well, most people know that Marvin's game is a mid-range game.... but he came out as a freshmen, and for most young players (like Kobe, TMac, Lebron) it takes a while to get the NBA three point range.

Joe still dominates the ball, so i'm not really hard on Marvin for his slow development.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:42 am**

Harry10 wrote:well, most people know that Marvin's game is a mid-range game.... but he came out as a freshmen, and for most young players (like Kobe, TMac, Lebron) it takes a while to get the NBA three point range.

Joe still dominates the ball, so i'm not really hard on Marvin for his slow development.

That's all nice and everything but it would be nice to actually see Marvin attempt a 3 more consistently.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:44 am**

betta1 wrote:I think with Bibby onboard Marv should be replace by Chillz in starting lineup. Bibby's a better shooter than Marv and he can thus come as part of a second unit with Salim for a little punch. JC brings the energy, scrappines and defense that Marvin lacks entirely.

Anyway, might as well shuffle the deck as this lineup is obviously not working that great, so nothing to lose really.

LOL Childress can't guard anyone. He is weak and slow, probably the worst defender among the regulars.

Not only that he doesn't hit the defensive boards because he is always looking to leak out on the break. He is also usually the last one to get back on D because he never fails to try for offensive rebounds to get easy putbacks.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:46 am**

BIBBY STILL LIMPING: The bruised right heel that Mike Bibby suffered in first game with the Hawks, a Feb. 19 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, has never fully healed. And with rookie point guard Acie Law IV going down with an injury of his own a night later, Bibby hasn't had much time to rest.

With every game critical to the Hawks' teetering playoff hopes, coach Mike Woodson said there's basically no way he can allow Bibby the time needed to rest his heel properly.

"It's really not fair to Mike," Woodson said. "He's out there on one leg a lot of times trying to deal with guys like Baron Davis [Tuesday] and then Chris Paul [here Wednesday] the next. That's a tall order for anyone to deal with when they're 100 percent healthy."

Link

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:10 am**

tontoz wrote:LOL Childress can't guard anyone. He is weak and slow, probably the worst defender among the regulars.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Chilz is a good defender. If you care to watch a game or 2, you'd notice we often have him defend the POINT GUARD, for crying out loud. For example, I remember being impressed with how he kept Brevin Knight and Sam Cassell in front of him the last time we played the Clippers.

I've stayed on the sidelines and let you keep bringing up that absurd claim. I believe you do it just because you read some slow times in his pre-draft drills 4 years ago and you decided he couldn't possibly be quick; so since then, you've had your mind closed.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:18 am**

Here we go...

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:48 am**

betta1 wrote:I wouldn't be upset at all if we moved him.

No one can deny the kid has skills. It's his heart that I question and have always questioned. He'll have like short bursts of emotion out there on the court and the rest of the time he looks kind of lost or blase.

How does he have skills? I constantly see people rave about his potential and ability but he "just hasn't put it together". People need to realize that he just isn't that good! He can't dribble at all, he's not quick, can't post up, isn't strong, has zero body control, and can't finish inside if his life depended on it. The only thing he looks good at is shooting FORM, but form doesn't equal made baskets.

Just face it, he'll never be more than a role player, just because he was picked 2nd doesn't mean he has "skills" or all this potential.

Marvin makes me sick, I STILL can't believe BK F'd up this bad. I mean that pick was just terrible. TERRIBLE. And the ASG continues to support this (Please Use More Appropriate Word) buffoon, what idiots.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:53 am**

Harry10 wrote:well, most people know that Marvin's game is a mid-range game.... but he came out as a freshmen, and for most young players (like Kobe, TMac, Lebron) it takes a while to get the NBA three point range..

Wow, just wow. Marvin has nowhere NEAR the natural ability, athleticism, passing ability, ballhandling, or ANYTHING that these guys displayed as kids in the NBA. Marvin has no CHANCE to become even half the player that these guys are. Even when Kobe was jacking up airballs and taking stupid shots as a young'n, it was still obvious how talented he was. Marvin just doesn't have that at all. He stands around and bricks jumpers. I wish someone would tell Marvin this, maybe it would take the tail out from under his legs.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 12:05 pm**

tontoz wrote:LOL Childress can't guard anyone. He is weak and slow, probably the worst defender among the regulars.

This is one of your silliest comments in a while. Do you actually watch the games?

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 12:28 pm**

LL Cool Scott wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is one of your silliest comments in a while. Do you actually watch the games?

I watch all of them. Everyone who got near Childress had an open shot last night. He is too weak to get around screens and too slow to close out on shooters. He is a cherry picker as well.

He averages 2.3 offensive rebounds per game. He is tops in the league in offensive rebounding ratio among wings playing at least 25 minutes per game. However he only gets 2.8 defensive rebounds per game. His defensive rebounding ratio is 35th in the league among wings playing at least 25 minutes. Why the big disparity?

Because he is a cherry picker. He is always leaking out when the Hawks play D rather than boxing out and crashing the boards. On offense he is always hanging underneath the basket to try to get follow ups and is then the slowest guy to get back on D.

65% of Childress points from the field come in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. nobody else on the team has a ratio even close to that.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07ATL8A.HTM

Why? Because he is a cherry picker.

The Hawks give up 5.6 ppg more when Childress is playing, again worst among the regulars.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07ATL8D.HTM

He has been a defensive liability from day 1 and nothing has changed.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:20 pm**

tontoz wrote:I watch all of them. ...
He has been a defensive liability from day 1 and nothing has changed.

If you watch all the games then you've, of course, noticed him defending PGs, right? What kind of 6'7" SF who covers points can be called a "liability"?

And just to remind you how foolish it is to keep your head buried in statistics, please note that 82games.com says that Chilz is our best PF -- it pretty much says he's a GREAT PF.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Benjamin Disraeli

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:34 pm**

parson wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If you watch all the games then you've, of course, noticed him defending PGs, right? What kind of 6'7" SF who covers points can be called a "liability"?

And just to remind you how foolish it is to keep your head buried in statistics, please note that 82games.com says that Chilz is our best PF -- it pretty much says he's a GREAT PF.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Benjamin Disraeli

If Childress is so good at defending PGs then where was he the last two games against Baron and Paul?

*crickets*

Just because Childress is forced to play the point sometimes doesn't mean he actually can.

Speaking of pgs did you know that Chris Paul gets more defensive rebounds than Childress?

Childress plays 2% of the minutes at power forward, therefore any stats there can't be taken seriously.

But his +/- is based on all 1500 of his minutes and is far more reliable.

Posted: **Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:47 pm**

Are people really trying to argue than Chill is a good defender?

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