Larry Brown

[dominique21]

I was watching a Clippers game a few nights back and the announcer was talking about Larry Borwn and what a bad way things ended for him in NY and said that he was definitely going to coach again and rumor had it that is was with our beloved Hawks...

Afew months back I would have said no way to this..but the way things are going, I really wouldn't mind bringing him back next year, heck even this year but I doubt thats gonna happen. If you think about it, the guy was pretty much a winner from the Spurs in the early 90's, the Clippers, the Pacers, he even got the Sixers to the finals....I say give the guy a chance to redeem himself, he's hungry and he wants to go out a winner so let him do it with us.

I am thinking this is the reason the owners wouldn't allow BK to fire Woody...just because they didn't want to give a false promise or hope to Larry Drew...thoughts?

[JoshB914]

I just don't think LB would work here. Young players have never seemed to respond to him (with the exception of A.I. and that took a while). I think he'd want to coach a vet team.

[LL Cool Scott]

Well - this is the one exception to the rule (in my mind at least) that coaches don't have much of an effect on a team's ultimate performance. This guy has taken so many teams farther than their talent should have allowed. I'm all for it. Man is a wizard.

[Rod700]

I'd love to have him. I never thought he would come here, but I hope there is some truth to this rumor.

[conleyorbust]

Well - this is the one exception to the rule (in my mind at least) that coaches don't have much of an effect on a team's ultimate performance. This guy has taken so many teams farther than their talent should have allowed. I'm all for it. Man is a wizard.

Don't like him or his style but I'll give him this: the players would certainly play harder under him.

[Rip2137]

And then they would get traded for worse players, get called pieces of crap in the media and then Larry would quit right after he F's up the roster.

Larry is probably the only guy that will break up a team after a championship just because he feels like it. He is a piece of crap as a human being and if players can't respect the guy it won't end well.

People might want to blame eveyone for the Knick situation, but they didn't make Larry get in the media and say that David Lee (a rookie at the time) would never be a starter in the league because he just wasn't good enough. They didn't make Larry get in the media and say that Nate Robinson wasn't good enough to be a NBA player. Larry did that.

I am shocked that anyone would want that piece of crap to coach their team. For all those amazing jobs he did, it got him one championship and a bunch of screwed up rosters he helped create and then left. Screw Larry Brown

[evildallas]

Amen. +1

Count me out if Larry Brown is the next in line.

[AU hawksfan]

I'm glad someone else sees how overrated and unprofessional the guy is. No thank you! It's not good having a guy around that doesn't know how to fulfill a contract either.

[HoopsGuru25]

This is the 1st time I've ever agreed with Rip. Larry Brown coaching the Hawks would be a disaster.

[parson]

Question: what if the talks that Brown was rumored to have had (when he came to ATL to visit his brother) were about him becoming our GM and what if he wanted to keep Woodson?

Imagine Woodson remaining and Brown trading our talent for "his" players, as he did in PHI.

Just thought I'd share my nightmare with y'all.

It makes some (perverted) sense and'd explain why Woodson seems to have more pull with the ASG now.

[Rip2137]

I think we should just make the playoffs and we get our great coach.

We make the playoffs and Jersey misses, they will stupidly fire Frank and there you are. The perfect guy to coach this team.

You know why he is great? When he had the personel, he ran a uptempo offense. When his personel got slow, he slowed it down(and he also realised that Kidd couldn't defend off the ball anymore and since they couldn't simply outscore teams, they needed to take the Riley Knicks approach and just limit the other teams offensive touches).

Right now we have a coach that has a team built to run, won't let them, then tries to run when we should slow it down (golden state game comes to mind)

[Jjforprez]

Question: what if the talks that Brown was rumored to have had (when he came to ATL to visit his brother) were about him becoming our GM and what if he wanted to keep Woodson?

Imagine Woodson remaining and Brown trading our talent for "his" players, as he did in PHI.

Just thought I'd share my nightmare with y'all.

It makes some (perverted) sense and'd explain why Woodson seems to have more pull with the ASG now.

That eerily makes sense... agreed that would be a nightmare!! If just for the part where Woodson stays!

[LL Cool Scott]

Ya'll might have some short memories...

Larry Brown almost always overacheives with what he's been given.

Took UCLA to its 1st championship in decades
Took the Clippers to their 1st playoff berth in years
Took a completely overmatched Sixers team to the Finals
Took the Pistons to their only championship of this era

If all you remember is the Knick debacle, you have pretty short memories. I don't know much about the dude personally, but he constantly overacheives professionally. He'd also give us some visibility and credibility on a national scale...

[M301E814W404]

Larry Brown would be great. He would finally add some stability to an organization that really needs it.

[HoopsGuru25]

Larry Brown and stability don't go together. He's already in his late 60's and his last two coaching stops have been a combined three years. Brown can't coach young players and he also tries to play team GM. This is the same guy who played Malik Rose over David Lee in his last coaching stop.

[AU hawksfan]

Larry Brown would be great. He would finally add some stability to an organization that really needs it.

That was a joke right?

[Rip2137]

Ya'll might have some short memories...

Larry Brown almost always overacheives with what he's been given.

Took UCLA to its 1st championship in decades
Took the Clippers to their 1st playoff berth in years
Took a completely overmatched Sixers team to the Finals
Took the Pistons to their only championship of this era

If all you remember is the Knick debacle, you have pretty short memories. I don't know much about the dude personally, but he constantly overacheives professionally. He'd also give us some visibility and credibility on a national scale...

I am not going to comment on the UCLA thing because...well..who cares(well, to be more fair...I don't). This is the NBA.

I won't mention the Clippers either, because Mike Woodson has a chance to take the Hawks to their first playoff berth in years. Doesn't mean he should stay the coach.

The Sixers? Well, lets see. Yes, he got them to the finals on the back of one amazing player and a bunch of defensive players. But when they lost in the finals, guess which amazing player he threw under the bus the next year when they were eliminated from the playoffs(after some pointless roster shaking moves by Brown, as always)? They lose in the playoffs, and of course it wasn't because his team was less than or that he was outcoached. It was because Allen Iverson missed some practices in the early season. Then he tried to trade Allen Iverson to the Pistons but Matt Gieger blocked the trade.

The Pistons? The Pistons won a championship. And you know one of the best reasons they won? They had a bench crew led by Jon Barry, Corliss Williamson and others that night in and out would just plain destroy the other team. Williamson won the 6th man of the year I believe that championship year and was a monster mismatch for anyone that tried to play him. So of course, what should you do after winning the championship? You should trade the bench guys, and blame the team for not being able to sustain playing the monster minutes they had to because the bench was gone. Then he makes it back to the finals, and instead of pointing out that he was simply out coached and made numerous stupid decisions in Game 7, he, again, threw the team under the bus and said that they didn't play hard enough. He then became so "sick" that he had to get out of that Pistons job.

Oh, lets not forget his horrid coaching job of the Olympic team where he made sure to keep Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Amare Stoudimire all on the bench and then blamed everyone from the players to the olympic committee for the results.

My problems with Larry Brown are this:

- He throws anyone under the bus as soon as he possibly can in the media.

- He ALWAYS has to tinker with the roster. Despite success, a offseason without trading someone in the rotation is a wasted one for Brown.

- He has a pretty sucky eye for talent yet wants to be a GM. Or he has a good eye for talent, but just prefers trading them for less talented players.

- While he was a great coach, I think there is a chance that with time, he has become just too much of a liability. there are good coaches to be had without the baggage. Think about it. He managed to get fired a year after winning a championship and the next year taking the team to the finals.

- Last but not least HE TANKED A SEASON IN A ATTEMPT TO GET CONTROL OF A TEAM.

That is disgusting. I don't care what you have ever done in your career, purposely tanking is as bad as gambling against your team while coaching to me. He had a lineup his year as Knick coach that produced a 4 game winning streak. So in the 5th game, he benched the guys that were getting the minutes. DNP's for them and shoved the others out there. He was trying to lose. He suggested and asked Isaiah for the Francis trade then asked for him to be cut a week later. That is insane(although Isaiah would have traded Penny and David Lee to Portland for Darius Miles...so...yeah...a bad trade was happening regardless).

I understand the guy has a history of success, but just look at what he has done the last decade. Despite the success, he has been as disgusting a individual as anyone else in the NBA. I personally think that any short term success we might have at him at the helm would destroy the franchise for years to come. When you see that Josh Smith for Trenton Hassell trade or the Joe Johnson for Keith Bogans trade you would see what I mean.

[evildallas]

UCLA? Larry Brown won at Kansas on the back of Danny Manning. Jim Harrick won at UCLA with Ed O'Bannon, etc. I agree that doesn't really matter.

I still have a very strong dislike of Larry Brown. I think he would be a horrible hire and would be a failure here, but I am rapidly getting to the point where I don't care about the team anymore.

[geeman]

I was watching a Clippers game a few nights back and the announcer was talking about Larry Borwn and what a bad way things ended for him in NY and said that he was definitely going to coach again and rumor had it that is was with our beloved Hawks...

Afew months back I would have said no way to this..but the way things are going, I really wouldn't mind bringing him back next year, heck even this year but I doubt thats gonna happen. If you think about it, the guy was pretty much a winner from the Spurs in the early 90's, the Clippers, the Pacers, he even got the Sixers to the finals....I say give the guy a chance to redeem himself, he's hungry and he wants to go out a winner so let him do it with us.

I am thinking this is the reason the owners wouldn't allow BK to fire Woody...just because they didn't want to give a false promise or hope to Larry Drew...thoughts?

You are right on the money here. I think owner ship will blow both knight and woodson out at the end of the year with anything less the getting to the second round. I am not a big Larry brown fan, but.. you can not deny that he as a 20 year record of make a bad team better. I think he would be great for this team for 2 to 4 years! I would get use to the next level!