Is it Time

[geeman]

Not to blow up the team, but take a step backward so we can go forward.
1)The knight/woodson experiment is over! I the knight should get another job in the NBA and so will Woodson. Everybody deserves a second chance and both have strength to offer another team.
2)Maybe this team needs a teacher like Larry Brown and on way of getting him is to also offer him the GM ( as long as we also have a personnel guy to assist him)
3)We need to shop Joe and Marvin this summer. Joe is too passive and Marvin is on dimensional at best. I think Joe s a great second option (to lebron or Kobe) but am not the type of player to build around. And Marvin will be a solid Pro, but I personally like josh Smith and Al Horford and our starting forwards and J Chill as our guy off the bench (at the right price)
4)At point next year, were in good shape with bibby/law and speedy (if healthy)
5)I thank we still need a defensive minded center that can block shot (man on man not weakside like Josh) and can run the floor. Maybe Patrick O'Bryant, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown type or via Trade into the Draft.
6)A replacement For Joe?

[JoshB914]

If we trade JJ I think we have to keep Marvin, we will lose too much scoring from dealing JJ. Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything in your post.

[HMFFL]

I'd like for us to shop Marvin, maybe not seriously, but see what we can acquire for him. I'm just not seeing him filling our needs at the 3, however he's still young, and has room to improve. On the other hand if we expect to make the playoffs we need him to provide us with more on both ends of the floor.

[NWO4Life]

Joe has been a big disappointment as a max contract guy. Dont let the all-star appearances fool anyone the east is week and he is just a shinning example of that. He's a wonderful complementary player much like Lamar Odom. He's just one dimensional and not nearly as good.

[dms269]

I'm not convinced that Smith should be at the 3. I am torn on Smith, I like what he does, he can rebound, defend, block shots, and score some. If Horford is moved to the 4, I don't have a problem building around him and getting a C, SF, SG, possibly PG with everything else.

[geeman]

I watched the game and this is what I mean... on paper Joe had a great game 39 8 3 but did you notice they were all jump shots I mean he's 6.7 and 230 and he just doe not drive the ball to the rack or if his shot is not going in he dribles is one place until he is traped.

[HMFFL]

I watched the game and this is what I mean... on paper Joe had a great game 39 8 3 but did you notice they were all jump shots I mean he's 6.7 and 230 and he just doe not drive the ball to the rack or if his shot is not going in he dribles is one place until he is traped.

Many of us have brought this up over the course of two years now. Joe needs to drive more, it's obvious, and his game will only benefit from it. He would get to the line more, however some guys aren't into it, and Joe appears to be one of them. While he does it ever so often, it would be nice to see it happen consistently, but we also can't risk him going down to an injury.

[NWO4Life]

Joe has been a big disappointment as a max contract guy. Dont let the all-star appearances fool anyone the east is week and he is just a shinning example of that. He's a wonderful complementary player much like Lamar Odom. He's just one dimensional and not nearly as good.

I think my post was read by Joe... Best game Ive seen him play. Yeah it was Miami but it was D Wade he went up against. Seems like I was was delt a dose of stfu. but we got like 20 more games. we will see.

[conleyorbust]

Joe is better than Odom. I haven't seen enough from Al to even remotely say we should "build around him", at this point he is a very solid rebounder, decent defender, and pretty basic at everything else.

Marv has such nice form, great size, and good athleticism. You'd think he'd be perfect as a pure shooter and perimeter defender at the 3. Unfortunately it looks like he is a little too easily rattled. I think moving Marv is the right thing to do if we can still get good value out of him. I would like to see us get a pure shooter/defender to play on the wing opposite Joe and some depth in the front court and backcourt. If we could swing Marv for J Jack and Pryz and sign a Barnes/Pietrus type, I'd even consider that.

I really like Josh, I like Al, and I like Joe. Bibby is still a question but he is probably the best we will do at pg so I wouldn't mind keeping him on.

[_BBIB_]

Criticizing Joe Johnson's performance vs the Heat is nothing less than absurd.

Wow there really is more negativity on this board than the other one

[Skyhawk1]

Criticizing Joe Johnson's performance vs the Heat is nothing less than absurd.

Wow there really is more negativity on this board than the other one

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[NWO4Life]

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Maybe if you paid attention to the time stamp it was before the Hawks even played the Heat

Then I came back and complimented his play after his performance.

I think what I said was justified. And would still argue that he had not yet proven worthy of a max contract.

I'll see if I can get a list of Max contract players and get back to this point.

Joe Johnson Atlanta Maximum
Kevin Garnett Boston Maximum
Paul Pierce Boston Maximum
LeBron James Cleveland Maximum
Jason Kidd Dallas Maximum
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Maximum
Carmelo Anthony Denver Maximum
Allen Iverson Denver Maximum
Baron Davis Golden State Maximum
Tracy McGrady Houston Maximum
Jermaine O'Neal Indiana Maximum
Elton Brand Los Angeles Clippers Maximum
Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers Maximum
Shawn Marion Miami Maximum
Dwyane Wade Miami Maximum
Michael Redd Milwaukee Maximum
Stephon Marbury New York Maximum
Shaquille O'Neal Phoenix Maximum
Tim Duncan San Antonio Maximum
Chris Bosh Toronto Maximum
Antawn Jamison Washington Maximum

OK SO THERE THEY ARE And he is in the bottom 5 by my count. And thats cause I put Jamison, Marbury, O'neal, and O'neal, below him. And thats not giving the Center position any justice. Shaq damn sure earned his...

Where do you see him fit in?

[geeman]

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Ok the heat game... joe came out and scored 28 point in the ifrst half! all jump shot and the seconcd half I think he had 12. This is no tha joe is not a great player, but last week he did the same thing and we lost because he got cool in the second half. There the probem:

1) Joe tends to fall in love with is jumper and now you got the defender playing up on him. he does not use this advange to drive the ball to the rack and go to the line.
2) When he's on like it not in the flow of the game, thus everone tends to like for joe to keep scoing and when he goes cool (like all jump shooter)
the offense presses.
3) I have noticed when his jump shot is not falling he will drive the ball to the pant... not to go the basket to draw contact but to dribble in one spot and then pass. Teams have been colapsing on him and it usally turns into a turnover.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PLAYER ON THIS TEAM THAT CAN DRIVE THE BALL
CONSISTLY TO THE BASKET AND DRAWS FOULS AT THE END OF THE GAME. THAT WHY WE'VE LOSS SO MANNY GAME IN THE 4 .

again I love joe's game and I belive a better coach could change this. Joe plays way to many min even with a lead. I think a lot of time he just don't have legs in the 4. and also Joe look dead sometime.

I really do want to trade him or any other player until a real coach is hear (Larry Brown) that can get the best out of our players

[joe.linnen]

Why would you want to shop Johnson and Williams, your teal finaly has the point guard it needs to make the playoffs you just need to hold on and let the team play toether for a full season. This is one of the line ups I use on NBA LIVE 08 and it works well.

SF:Williams
PF:Smith
C:Horford
SG:Johnson
PG:Bibby

Thats a good line up and I crushed the Caves and Mavericks with it. What I'm saying is that you guys have a great group of guys. You just need to let them gel and they will be ahead of the behind the Celtics, Pistons, Magic, and Raptors. That mean you would be at best number 4 or 5 in the East.


Carlisle,Rick
Brown,Larry
Van Gundy,Jeff
Skiles,Scott


all of these are good coaches to lead a team and all of the like to play defences as well. I would go with Larry or Rick, thats just me.

[NWO4Life]

This is one of the line ups I use on NBA LIVE 08 and it works well.

LoL

[JoshB914]

Good call on JJ geeman. Whenever he scores a lot of points it's because his jumper is falling. If he wants to be a real star he would score big points by driving to the basket as well. But at this point I think we see he is not a true number 1 option because he won't drive. So his shooting % has skyrocketed because Bibby is finding him for the open J while our previous PG's were not.

[joe.linnen]

I'll also like to add that if you guys can add one more shooter, I would say at the small forward spot. I think that would reall open up thing for you guys.

[HoopsGuru25]

Joe is going to the basket at the same rate he was last year. The difference is that he is having trouble finishing inside which is probably due to injuring himself last year. Do you really expect Joe to shoot 10 free throws a game? It's not like he's some high flyer who can get to the basket at will like Wade or Lebron.

[JoshB914]

No, but I'd expect him to at least shoot a respectable rate of FT's. I criticized Joe for not driving enough last season too, he is strong and skilled enough to get to the bucket.

[joe.linnen]

No, but I'd expect him to at least shoot a respectable rate of FT's. I criticized Joe for not driving enough last season too, he is strong and skilled enough to get to the bucket.

But what is a respectable amount to FT for him to be shooting, as Hoops said he's not wade or Lebron. Johnson isn't on the same level with those players so you can't think that your gonna get the same thing out him as their team get out of Lebron, Wade, or for that matter Kobe. The bottom line is that sometimes I think we look at other teams and compair players to others and expect for them to produce the same and we just can't do that. Another thing is at least you have Joe Johnson and not Ray Allen