CAN BK EVER BE FORGIVIN FROM NOT DRAFTING CP3?

dub81 · Post #1 » by **dub81** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:26 pm

What up,

Laker fan here, not trying to troll. But Can you guys ever fogive him for not drafting CP3? I'm not a Hawks fan, but I live out in the ATL. But if I was a Hawks fan, I don't know why he still has a job! I just want you're guys opinion.. and what was you're reaction when He passed CP3?

Thanks.

LL Cool Scott · Post #2 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:49 pm

dub81 wrote:what was you're reaction when He passed CP3?

Not a positive one.

conleyorbust · Post #3 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:13 pm

M301E814W404 · Post #4 » by **M301E814W404** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:51 pm

They cant all be winners...we went for the possible star. Obviously in hindsight it was (Please Use More Appropriate Word), but there are a lot of people who would have done the same at the time. He doesn't suck because of that move, he sucks because of about 1000 idiot moves. Yes, I could forgive him if that was his only bad pick and we weren't handcuffed with contracts like speedy's.

Post #5 » by **pja123** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:04 pm

I can forgive BK for not drafting Paul. Let's not forget about the ballyhoo surrounding Marvin Williams. So many people projected him to be a can't-miss superstar with limitless potential.

Furthermore, remember that Milwaukee took Bogut and Utah took Williams over Chris Paul, so it's not like we were the only team to miss out.

Post #6 » by **dms269** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:19 pm

pja123 wrote:I can forgive BK for not drafting Paul. Let's not forget about the ballyhoo surrounding Marvin Williams. So many people projected him to be a can't-miss superstar with limitless potential.

Furthermore, remember that Milwaukee took Bogut and Utah took Williams over Chris Paul, so it's not like we were the only team to miss out.

Exactly. Add also that Williams was higher on our big board that Paul also.

conleyorbust · Post #7 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:43 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Exactly. Add also that Williams was higher on our big board that Paul also.

Depends on how you think about it. Hawks fans were mixed at best, and that is only because Williams had so much hype - in other words this wasn't a Shelden Williams type mistake where it was obviously awful because no one though Shel would EVER be good.

Don't forget the context, that was the season of Nash. People re-remembered what a great PG can do for a struggling team. Marv did have a lot of hype around him so more casual fans thought we were getting a star but personnel folk absolutely LOVED Paul and Williams too. I'm not a scout/GM and no one else on this board is so we didn't put in the necessary diligence but BK's track record doesn't suggest he puts in the hard hours on his scouting.

I am comfortable in extrapolating factors from BK's other failures and saying that he blew the Marv pick and deserves blame for it. No one has to agree with me but thats how I see it.

reazun · Post #8 » by **reazun** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:48 pm

pja123 wrote:I can forgive BK for not drafting Paul. Let's not forget about the ballyhoo surrounding Marvin Williams. So many people projected him to be a can't-miss superstar with limitless potential.

Furthermore, remember that Milwaukee took Bogut and Utah took Williams over Chris Paul, so it's not like we were the only team to miss out.

thats the way I see it, Im still not totally given up on Marvin anyways. Im an optimist, but hes still young. Im not saying that Marvin will ever be as good as CP3, but I think Marvin can still be as All-star calibur player, not an MVP like Paul though

betta1 · Post #9 » by **betta1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:38 pm

I was thinking about this the other day...the fact that New Orleans probably wouldn't trade for the combined top 3 picks that year, Bogut, Marvin, Deron Williams, in exchange for Chris Paul. That's how good and valuable the kid is.

Master8492 · Post #10 » by **Master8492** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:19 pm

^I doubt that.

betta1 · Post #11 » by **betta1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:24 pm

You honestly think NO would trade a potential MVP this season for a lesser PG, an underperforming SF, and a decent C?

HoopsGuru25 · Post #12 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:44 pm

and what was you're reaction when He passed CP3?

I thought it was a risky but it was a move that most GM's would have made at the time. There wasn't nearly the outrage amongst the national media at the time as it's made out to be now. The fact is that Bogut and Marvin were the only two players that were in that 1st tier of prospects in 05. I'm much more upset about BK drafting Shelden and wasting all of our cap space in 2006.

writeous · Post #13 » by **writeous** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:56 pm

Funny how everyone was saying how much better Deron Williams was over Chris Paul last year, now its the complete opposite. Maybe Marvin will be the one to shine next year :-/

conleyorbust · Post #14 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:41 pm

writeous wrote:Funny how everyone was saying how much better Deron Williams was over Chris Paul last year, now its the complete opposite. Maybe Marvin will be the one to shine next year :-/

From what I've seen, this has been the season of acceptance from Hawks fans regarding Paul. Some were in denial for a little bit.

AU hawksfan · Post #15 » by **AU hawksfan** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:02 pm

Funny how everyone was saying how much better Deron Williams was over Chris Paul last year, now its the complete opposite. Maybe Marvin will be the one to shine next year

I preferred Deron at the time of the draft, but never said or felt he was that much better than CP personally. At the end of the day though, both would be much better for us than Marvin. I also don't think anybody would be that pissed off to have a guy that averages over 19 points and 10 assists a game.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #16 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:17 pm

AU hawksfan wrote:
Funny how everyone was saying how much better Deron Williams was over Chris Paul last year, now its the complete opposite. Maybe Marvin will be the one to shine next year

I preferred Deron at the time of the draft, but never said or felt he was that much better than CP personally. At the end of the day though, both would be much better for us than Marvin. I also don't think anybody would be that pissed off to have a guy that averages over 19 points and 10 assists a game.

You sure sound alot more humble now as opposed to last summer when I said Chris Paul could be one of the top 10 pgs ever :roll:

AU hawksfan wrote:I'm sorry but that is laughable. Talk about premature. Paul has played 2 seasons. After the third season are you going to declare him better than MJ? He has played well but has dealt with injuries and has yet to lead his team to the playoffs. Deron Williams is much better than him offensively and defensively and picked up his game even more when it mattered....in the playoffs!

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php? ... 7&start=12

JoshB914 · Post #17 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:21 pm

BK made a huge mistake on CP3, but all GM's make mistakes. His problem is he has a long track record of picking the wrong guy when he had a shot at a better player. Everyone knows we missed out on CP3 and Deron, but we also didn't draft Deng or Brandon Roy when we could have. Instead we took a role player (Chillz) and a scrub in Shelden who I think will be out of the league in the next 3 or 4 years.

The CP3 screw up was awful, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. And it just gets talked about a lot because it was the worst of all the mistakes. But most fans on this board would forgive BK if he hadn't screwed the rest of the roster up too.

tontoz · Post #18 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:31 pm

JoshB914 wrote:BK made a huge mistake on CP3, but all GM's make mistakes. His problem is he has a long track record of picking the wrong guy when he had a shot at a better player. Everyone knows we missed out on CP3 and Deron, but we also didn't draft Deng or Brandon Roy when we could have. Instead we took a role player (Chillz) and a scrub in Shelden who I think will be out of the league in the next 3 or 4 years.

The CP3 screw up was awful, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. And it just gets talked about a lot because it was the worst of all the mistakes. But most fans on this board would forgive BK if he hadn't screwed the rest of the roster up too.

Not to mention Iggy, who is averaging 20 ppg as the number one option on a team that is ahead of us in the standings.

:banghead:

JoshB914 · Post #19 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:32 pm

Oh right, I forgot about him.

conleyorbust · Post #20 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:43 pm

JoshB914 wrote:The CP3 screw up was awful, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. And it just gets talked about a lot because it was the worst of all the mistakes. But most fans on this board would forgive BK if he hadn't screwed the rest of the roster up too.

Right, this is my point.

It would be a lot easier to look at the Marv pick and say that it was just a mistake that any GM in that situation would have made if BK had shown any consistent ability to make the right move.

The Shelden pick really proves to me that BK doesn't do his diligence in his scouting. I don't know if he ever really considered Paul that season.