Offseason moves?

[DeShaunRed]

Sekou had somethin' to say about bringing in the guy that we've been waiting for.

David Andersen

[Skyhawk1]

Bibby's contract after the next season should be much better for the Hawks than it currently is. It's clear Law has no ability/leadership to be our PG yet. I do not even know if that's ever going to happen. Bibby isn't even 30, so as long as we can get him a back up good enough to keep him playing around 30min a game, we should be fine. I hope Andersen joins us if he's really as good as advertised. Guys like Salim, West, Jones have to go. When you talk about real talent, none of them fit the bill.

[conleyorbust]

Along that same line, Jeremy Richardson could easily be retained for another year or two as a defacto second round pick. The Hawks have spent a lot of time recently acquiring young players. The next phase is to really develop them, and I mean cultivating both their physical and mental games to match where the franchise is now. The Hawks have spent the past four seasons digging out of a tremendous hole. Now it

[JoshB914]

Rio and J-Rich both need to be back next year. They both have the skills to develop into excellent role players. They aren't going to be able to contribute now, but like Sekou says, they are both draft picks of sorts.

[LL Cool Scott]

I would love to see us extend Bibby's contract. He's been simply amazing given his injuries and short time to gel with this team. Our offense has exploded since he came on board.

I would also love to see us turn Smith/Childress/Williams into a legit center so Horford can move to the 4 and really dominate. I think a combination of two of them could get us something nice. I'd prefer to keep Smith and deal Williams and Childress.

A backcourt of Bibby and Johnson, and a frontcourt of Smith, Horford, and this mysterious center would be the best lineup we've had in 15 years.

[M301E814W404]

Bibby's contract after the next season should be much better for the Hawks than it currently is. It's clear Law has no ability/leadership to be our PG yet. I do not even know if that's ever going to happen. Bibby isn't even 30, so as long as we can get him a back up good enough to keep him playing around 30min a game, we should be fine. I hope Andersen joins us if he's really as good as advertised. Guys like Salim, West, Jones have to go. When you talk about real talent, none of them fit the bill.

I agree with just about all of this except for the end. Although Salim's head is an absolute mess, I feel that he should get a few more minutes. I would be fine if we gave those minutes to j rich but that obviously doesn't happen because we would rather run JJ into the ground.

West provides us with energy on the defensive end.

Jones is still a bit raw, but long and athletic, and I think we can mold him into a player down the road.

[raleigh]

Screw talking about offseason moves - we have all summer, and no draft to distract us.

[Hawks]

Old habits are hard to break. Usually by now we are checking out every draft prospects info,messing around the draft lotto sim here, change our draft choices 10x, and worry who BK will take.

[Rip2137]

Why would anyone want David Andersen to come over?

[killbuckner]

Rip- what makes you think that David Andersen is worse than the other options the Hawks have?

[Rip2137]

Not worse, but he is pretty much Zaza on the defensive end and on the boards. Seeing as it would take a pretty penny to get him over here, I would rather spend the money on what we actually NEED.

A defensive big that is a good/decent rebounder to back up Horford. Anderson is a big that has a nasty midrange jumpshot and can score but doesn't defend well or rebound well.

David Andersen can come over if we trade him for someone useful. He would have some value in that, but I would much rather the front office spend their time resigning guys and filling out the roster with needs.

For example, is David Andersen a better player than Desangna Diop? Yeah. He is. But who would fit a better need for the team? Diop would.

[lunarblues]

i think that only salim has to go and david can take his spot. also don't forget that we would prob have speedy back so that means that the team is set for the most part.

assuming salim leaves (i can't see him wanting to resign with us)

PG-Bibby/Law/Claxton
SG-Johnson/Childress/Richardson
SF-Williams/Childress/West
PF-Smith/Jones
C-Horford/Pachulia/Andersen

i think there is a good chance pachulia,claxton, and childress could be gone also

that would leave some holes

PG-Bibby/Law/--
SG-Johnson/--/Richardson
SF-Williams/--/West
PF-Smith/Jones
C-Horford/--/Andersen

i don't know if richardson and west could duplicate childress' role on the team. it would also have alot to do with would we would get for them.

one thing about childress is that the main reason we don't want to pay him big money is the same reason other teams wouldn't want to pay him. do you want to give a 6th man 7-8 million dollars?i don't see many trading partners with holes at the starting SF slot. maybe san antonio or orlando, but we wouldn't want to help a division rival and the spurs don't have anhything we want and they don't want to go into the luxary tax.

[HoopsGuru25]

Claxton isn't going anywhere and the Hawks couldn't get anything for Zaza of value(plus he's an expiring). I don't think the Hawks can afford to get rid of Chil anymore...maybe if they had a draft pick. He's been the only useful player off the bench all year and we would have to find a way to replace his 30 minutes with unproven players. I have more faith in Zaza playing well than Richardson/West.

[lunarblues]

i was thinking of claxton being packaged with childress to give us a higher dollar player, but just as i said, i don't think we are active at all during the offseason. mostly we'll give marvin the qualifying offer, resign smith and childress, sign david andersen, and maybe get a low priced vet like a ruben patterson or jarvis hayes. really the team i would like to see out of this would be

bibby/law/claxton
johnson/patterson/richardson
williams/childress/west
smith/pachulia/jones
horford/andersen

[Rip2137]

I am opposed to signing Ruben Patterson under any circumstances unless you want at leas 3 people on the team to become serious weed smokers from hanging around him.

Jarvis Hayes isn't giong to be a low priced vet after the year he has had in Detroit. I think the playoffs will be his coming out party too, for those that didn't notice.

Maybe I don't understand the rules and all, but if we were to sign David, would he get the 2nd round pick salary scale? If that is the case, then I am all for it. But if not, and we have to pay him good money, I say no, or sign and trade him for a need.

[HoopsGuru25]

The Speedy signing really screwed us. If we didn't have Speedy we could probably re-sign Chil and still have enough left over for Diop. Anderson sounds like a Darius Songaila type player...I wouldn't mind having him but he is a weak defender based on the scouting reports. I don't see the point in bringing him over until Zaza is off the cap. I would look to bring in Kwame if we can get him for a Lo Wright type of deal.

[lunarblues]

we can still sign childress. i don't believe that Billy would let another player prevent him from resigning his core. i don't believe that speedy will finish out his contract though in atlanta. also we had a very big problem with scoring in the paint. for all the hype zaza got as a center, he only we over double digits a couple times this year and it usually took for him to get his own miss and put the ball back in for him to score. i think that he needs some competition in this capacity. i'm all for having two bigmen that can score in the paint and even in the midrange. also kwame is going to want more than lorenzen did.

[lunarblues]

i don't think there is a second round scale. only difference is that you don't have to give him a guranteed contract and even that doesn't happen sometimes. (i think that salim got paid more than the last pick in the first round and it was guranteed)

also i think that ruben would be good for this team. we need somebody that can come off the bench and gives us guranteed points. for all his faults, he gives you that and defense. we have to make the bench better. the memphis game proved that much.

[IDoIt4TheA]

I think the we most definitely need to try to resign Childress. He is the only person that we have coming off the bench and really contributing just about every game. He is a good player, hustles, is a good rebounder, and has a high BB IQ (which is something the Hawks really need). Last game really showed that we have a weak bench (what did they score like 4 pts. in the 4th quarter?) I see now why Woody doesn't play his bench more (outside of Law, Childress, and Zaza).

I would love for us to resign Josh Smith too...but if we could somehow get a good, legit center and slide Horford over to the PF position I would be ok with letting Smith go. I would rather Marvin be the one to leave, but I don't think we could get much in return for him as of now.

I think Salim and Richardson are goners after this season. Richardson had maybe one good game for us and has shown flashes of his potential but I don't think he is ready to contribute too much.

[evildallas]

Trade board thread

I stumbled upon this and it made me realize a different partner for my offseason trade plan.

If Portland is looking to score a starting SF for their 1st I have a thought:

Marvin Williams
2010 1st (with reasonable protection like top 10)

for

Jarrett Jack
Channing Frye (salary match)
2008 1st (#13)
2008 2nd (#35 from Knicks)

I would prefer Outlaw or Jones (if he doesn't opt out) to Frye, but Frye fits salary wise and isn't a tragic throw in for them.

The deal augments are depth in back court (Jack can play either spot) and gets that 1st rounder to use on a C like Thabeet or McGee or Robin Lopez. If we also get the 2nd rounder we have a good shot at a bruising PF like Joey Dorsey or Taj Gibson or possibly even taking a chance on a playmaker who drops because of injury concerns like a Bill Walker.

We then resign Smith and Childress. West and Richardson could be resigned to see if they continue to develop filling out the roster.

Lineup
Bibby/Law
Johnson/Jack/West
Childress/Frye/Richardson
Smith/Dorsey
Horford/Thabeet/Pachulia

Jack, Frye, and Pachulia amount to 9M of expiring salary for flexibility to tweak near trade deadline.

Childress is a glue guy who fits in the starting lineup because the other 4 are higher scoring options. Smith would see time at both F positions. Horford would see time at C and PF. Thabeet gives us size and shot blocking off the bench and if he develops more could be a starter 3 years down the road with Al moving to PF then. Because of lineup flexibility he can check in at C and any of the 2-5 players can get a rest. Dorsey gives us that less expensive bruising PF that almost every team has found recently (but we squandered a lottery pick looking for with Shelden). Ready to contribute as a rookie. Frye is a soft, midrange shooting F and Richardson gives us a 3 point shooter off the bench. The starting backcourt is solid, but Jack's presence would definitely allow for more reasonable minutes. Law's role should expand as he continues to develop. Mario is there as a defensive specialist sub, but if I'm the coaching staff I would with him a lot to develop a consistent 3 point stroke.

Zaza is still around because of his expiring deal (might be needed if a good trade opportunity becomes available). I didn't include Solomon because he really hasn't shown me much. I'd let the new coaching staff appraise his potential. BTW, if we can get Outlaw just replace Frye on the depth chart and we're even stronger because we'd have a scorer off the bench. I'd be willing to lessen the pick protection to move from Frye to Outlaw.

Why Portland does this deal? There roster is overloaded right now. They get a legitimate starting SF with size and stroke with a huge upside in Marvin Williams to pair with their SG, C, and PF phenoms. It gives room to bring over Rudy Fernandez and increase the role of Sergio Rodriguez. The future 1st replaces the value of their current 1st that would likely languish on the bench. It allows for use of rookie contracts to manage the salary cap. The 2nd rounder isn't a big cost either as they 3 and would probably had taken a flier on a foreign prospect to stow for a couple years.

Why I want to deal Marvin? Financial realism and an attempt to get the pieces that the current flawed roster needs for the Hawks to get to the next level (competing for the East). Those pieces being size and depth at multiple spots. We'd still be the most flexible lineup in the East able to go small (Bibby/Jack/Joe/Chill/Josh) or big (Bibby/Joe/Smith/Al/Thabeet) or real big (Childress/Joe/Josh/Al/Thabeet).

Well that's my plan. Full disclosure my initial trade partner was Charlotte, but this works much better.