The poll you've been waiting three years for.
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The poll you've been waiting three years for.
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raleigh
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HoopsGuru25
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Not really the time for negativity but...Phoenix won the trade. The 15th pick(which could have been Mike Conley or Al Horford last year if not for luck) pick in the draft,Rajon Rondo,and Boris Diaw for threatening to match an offer-sheet that they didn't reall intend on matching. Now trading Rondo and giving Diaw $45 million after only one year is another story.
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It could have been a win-win, but between luck and their ownership the Suns squandered a lot of the proceeds.
There is no real way to fairly decide the outcome because you have to make an assumption concerning whether Phoenix would have matched an offer sheet. If you assume they wouldn't have then it is obvious they won because they got something and BK got bluffed. If you assume they would have matched then it is more of a debate (but you still have to make an assumption). In this case we had to give something and through luck the sum of those pieces don't equal Joe Johnson (although Rajon Rondo is impressive).
Joe Johnson is a clear winner because he would have always been #4 in Phoenix. If they matched at the time he might of been the guy they dealt in offseason like Kurt Thomas. Without being able to assume a greater role, he would have been an odd man out as they determined they could get a designated shooter cheaper. Remember that Phoenix's current #4 man is making veteran minimum, not a max deal.
There is no real way to fairly decide the outcome because you have to make an assumption concerning whether Phoenix would have matched an offer sheet. If you assume they wouldn't have then it is obvious they won because they got something and BK got bluffed. If you assume they would have matched then it is more of a debate (but you still have to make an assumption). In this case we had to give something and through luck the sum of those pieces don't equal Joe Johnson (although Rajon Rondo is impressive).
Joe Johnson is a clear winner because he would have always been #4 in Phoenix. If they matched at the time he might of been the guy they dealt in offseason like Kurt Thomas. Without being able to assume a greater role, he would have been an odd man out as they determined they could get a designated shooter cheaper. Remember that Phoenix's current #4 man is making veteran minimum, not a max deal.
Going to donkey punch a leprechaun!
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NDaATL
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Hawks easily, even though if BK hadn't lucked up and fell ass backwards into getting the top 3 pick this would be a much different story..
But as the way it stands, the Hawks have the better end. I remember right after he was resigned to that horrible contract, calling it as one of the future bad contracts in the league. I knew Diaw wouldn't keep up that production.
But as the way it stands, the Hawks have the better end. I remember right after he was resigned to that horrible contract, calling it as one of the future bad contracts in the league. I knew Diaw wouldn't keep up that production.
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Joe Johnson > Boris, wasted pick (traded Rondo), and this year's pick (which again would prob be traded).
Joe Johnson did get $$$$$, BUT we got a face and an all-star for a franchise that hasn't had one in years. Also, he now got us to the playoffs in his 3rd year. Don't know how that sounds, but he did it.
Joe Johnson did get $$$$$, BUT we got a face and an all-star for a franchise that hasn't had one in years. Also, he now got us to the playoffs in his 3rd year. Don't know how that sounds, but he did it.
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NDaATL
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LL Cool Scott wrote:Hard to say you win a trade when you didn't have to make the trade in the first place. As great as JJ has been - we still gave up Boris Diaw and 2 first rounders for absolutely no reason. Oh well, basically water under the bridge at this point I guess.
Oh really? Do you know PHX's owner personally?
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JoshB914
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Whether they were bluffing or not is not relevant. This poll is about the actual trade, which we clearly got the best of.
What's funny is that even if Phoenix was bluffing and got Diaw and this year's pick for "free," they still may have come out worse. Diaw is now taking up 9 million of cap space every year and killing their ability to sign FA's. Maybe they wished they had just let JJ go on his own?
What's funny is that even if Phoenix was bluffing and got Diaw and this year's pick for "free," they still may have come out worse. Diaw is now taking up 9 million of cap space every year and killing their ability to sign FA's. Maybe they wished they had just let JJ go on his own?
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LL Cool Scott
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psyclone1982 wrote:Considering he would have walked for nothing, i'd say we did pretty good out of it.
Exactly - I don't know why some of our fans continue to delude themselves into believing that Billy Knight did not get completely bamboozled in this deal. It's the worst kept secret in the league that Phoenix had no intention of matching.