The poll you've been waiting three years for.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:06 am
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The poll you've been waiting three years for.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:11 am
Joe Johnson became an insanely rich man and an All Star. Plus being rich and famous in Atlanta beats the hell out of being rich and famous in Phoenix.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:11 am
Not really the time for negativity but...Phoenix won the trade. The 15th pick(which could have been Mike Conley or Al Horford last year if not for luck) pick in the draft,Rajon Rondo,and Boris Diaw for threatening to match an offer-sheet that they didn't reall intend on matching. Now trading Rondo and giving Diaw $45 million after only one year is another story.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:19 am
You're talking about an All-star who gives you 20/6/5 and plays good defense. Isn't it enough to tell we are the winners ?
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:22 am
It could have been a win-win, but between luck and their ownership the Suns squandered a lot of the proceeds.
There is no real way to fairly decide the outcome because you have to make an assumption concerning whether Phoenix would have matched an offer sheet. If you assume they wouldn't have then it is obvious they won because they got something and BK got bluffed. If you assume they would have matched then it is more of a debate (but you still have to make an assumption). In this case we had to give something and through luck the sum of those pieces don't equal Joe Johnson (although Rajon Rondo is impressive).
Joe Johnson is a clear winner because he would have always been #4 in Phoenix. If they matched at the time he might of been the guy they dealt in offseason like Kurt Thomas. Without being able to assume a greater role, he would have been an odd man out as they determined they could get a designated shooter cheaper. Remember that Phoenix's current #4 man is making veteran minimum, not a max deal.
There is no real way to fairly decide the outcome because you have to make an assumption concerning whether Phoenix would have matched an offer sheet. If you assume they wouldn't have then it is obvious they won because they got something and BK got bluffed. If you assume they would have matched then it is more of a debate (but you still have to make an assumption). In this case we had to give something and through luck the sum of those pieces don't equal Joe Johnson (although Rajon Rondo is impressive).
Joe Johnson is a clear winner because he would have always been #4 in Phoenix. If they matched at the time he might of been the guy they dealt in offseason like Kurt Thomas. Without being able to assume a greater role, he would have been an odd man out as they determined they could get a designated shooter cheaper. Remember that Phoenix's current #4 man is making veteran minimum, not a max deal.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:08 am
I want to see who the Suns get with that pick. They will still end up with a good player. Right now it is JJ as the ultimate winner.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:32 am
The real question is whether there had to be a deal or if the Suns were bluffing, but let's not go down that road again.
As for the actual trade, we clearly got the best of it.
As for the actual trade, we clearly got the best of it.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:12 pm
High 5 wrote:Joe Johnson became an insanely rich man and an All Star. Plus being rich and famous in Atlanta beats the hell out of being rich and famous in Phoenix.
Agreed, but he would have become insanely rich no matter where he went. Yea JJ won, but the Hawks take the cake on this one.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:25 pm
I think it came down to the ping pong balls. The Hawks won the lottery and won the trade in the process. Thats not the same thing as asking whether it was a smart trade.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:48 pm
Hawks easily, even though if BK hadn't lucked up and fell ass backwards into getting the top 3 pick this would be a much different story..
But as the way it stands, the Hawks have the better end. I remember right after he was resigned to that horrible contract, calling it as one of the future bad contracts in the league. I knew Diaw wouldn't keep up that production.
But as the way it stands, the Hawks have the better end. I remember right after he was resigned to that horrible contract, calling it as one of the future bad contracts in the league. I knew Diaw wouldn't keep up that production.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:24 pm
LMAO at a few of the Phoenix fans on the general board saying they got the better of the deal. They claim they came out better since they have a better team right now. Last I checked they always had Amare and Nash...
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:39 pm
Joe Johnson > Boris, wasted pick (traded Rondo), and this year's pick (which again would prob be traded).
Joe Johnson did get $$$$$, BUT we got a face and an all-star for a franchise that hasn't had one in years. Also, he now got us to the playoffs in his 3rd year. Don't know how that sounds, but he did it.
Joe Johnson did get $$$$$, BUT we got a face and an all-star for a franchise that hasn't had one in years. Also, he now got us to the playoffs in his 3rd year. Don't know how that sounds, but he did it.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:13 pm
Hard to say you win a trade when you didn't have to make the trade in the first place. As great as JJ has been - we still gave up Boris Diaw and 2 first rounders for absolutely no reason. Oh well, basically water under the bridge at this point I guess.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:48 am
LL Cool Scott wrote:Hard to say you win a trade when you didn't have to make the trade in the first place. As great as JJ has been - we still gave up Boris Diaw and 2 first rounders for absolutely no reason. Oh well, basically water under the bridge at this point I guess.
Oh really? Do you know PHX's owner personally?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:58 am
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:09 pm
Whether they were bluffing or not is not relevant. This poll is about the actual trade, which we clearly got the best of.
What's funny is that even if Phoenix was bluffing and got Diaw and this year's pick for "free," they still may have come out worse. Diaw is now taking up 9 million of cap space every year and killing their ability to sign FA's. Maybe they wished they had just let JJ go on his own?
What's funny is that even if Phoenix was bluffing and got Diaw and this year's pick for "free," they still may have come out worse. Diaw is now taking up 9 million of cap space every year and killing their ability to sign FA's. Maybe they wished they had just let JJ go on his own?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:44 am
Considering he would have walked for nothing, i'd say we did pretty good out of it.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:57 am
Maybe you forgot a answer to your question "Who won the Joe Johnson trade?"
Your Atlanta Hawks
The Phoenix Suns
Joe Johnson
Boston Celtics
The way Rondo is playing, it would have been better to have him with ATL
Your Atlanta Hawks
The Phoenix Suns
Joe Johnson
Boston Celtics
The way Rondo is playing, it would have been better to have him with ATL
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:35 pm
psyclone1982 wrote:Considering he would have walked for nothing, i'd say we did pretty good out of it.
Exactly - I don't know why some of our fans continue to delude themselves into believing that Billy Knight did not get completely bamboozled in this deal. It's the worst kept secret in the league that Phoenix had no intention of matching.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:27 pm
^ Tell Sarver I said Hi next time you talk to him..