Looking past the injuries do you feel Coach Woodson held Acie Law back or did Acie hold himself back during his rookie season? Do you expect a large improve during his sophomore season and being able to learn from Mike Bibby?
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Acie only played during every game during January. Out of 56 games Acie scored double digits 9 times.
Acie Law/Woodson Factor
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Ahhh...yes, everything is Mike Woodson's fault again. When young players don't produce, it's Mike Woodson's fault. It was Woodson't fault for burying Shelden Williams, when clearly he was a great player. It was Woodson's fault for burying Acie Law, when again clearly he has looked fantastic out there. It was Woodson't fault for burying Al Horford....wait, never mind...It was Woodson's fault for Zaza's lack of production this year!!! Wait, I'm confused...
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Lots of blame to go around.
Setback in development and confidence - blame goes to injury.
Lack of playing time - Woodson's decision, but blame goes to Acie for not gaining Woodson's confidence. Woodson isn't to blame on this one. He was trying to win now. If Acie played better he would have been on the court like Al. He wasn't playing well and gave Woodson little reason to believe that he would be more positive than negative while on the court.
If there is a lack of development (provided he works hard at it) - blame on coaching staff. I think the coaching staff is actually very poor at player development. Young players develop with experience, but if they receive quality coaching they can develop faster and better. That's what is missing here.
I still expect a different coaching staff next year. I also expect better team performance. I also expect a better bench and more usage of it during the season. Acie should get more playing time next year unless he fails to improve and then someone will come in and take those minutes. With only around 400 jobs to go around, competition is fierce. An affordable rookie contract gives you some time to get your wits about you, but you still have to develop. It was unrealistic to expect a rookie PG to come in and lead a team that was in hopes of making the playoffs. It just doesn't happen very often. A lot of us (myself especially) were overly hopeful (or desperate) because of years of Ty Lue, etc. as PG. We finally had hope at PG, but we should have been more realistic about year 1 (and probably 2). BK should have addressed PG years ago when he had the opportunity because a rookie PG on that team wouldn't have hurt. The 2005 Hawks weren't competing for the playoffs. What Acie shows next year will be important for the following season when Bibby's deal expires. That's when some choices will have to be made.
Setback in development and confidence - blame goes to injury.
Lack of playing time - Woodson's decision, but blame goes to Acie for not gaining Woodson's confidence. Woodson isn't to blame on this one. He was trying to win now. If Acie played better he would have been on the court like Al. He wasn't playing well and gave Woodson little reason to believe that he would be more positive than negative while on the court.
If there is a lack of development (provided he works hard at it) - blame on coaching staff. I think the coaching staff is actually very poor at player development. Young players develop with experience, but if they receive quality coaching they can develop faster and better. That's what is missing here.
I still expect a different coaching staff next year. I also expect better team performance. I also expect a better bench and more usage of it during the season. Acie should get more playing time next year unless he fails to improve and then someone will come in and take those minutes. With only around 400 jobs to go around, competition is fierce. An affordable rookie contract gives you some time to get your wits about you, but you still have to develop. It was unrealistic to expect a rookie PG to come in and lead a team that was in hopes of making the playoffs. It just doesn't happen very often. A lot of us (myself especially) were overly hopeful (or desperate) because of years of Ty Lue, etc. as PG. We finally had hope at PG, but we should have been more realistic about year 1 (and probably 2). BK should have addressed PG years ago when he had the opportunity because a rookie PG on that team wouldn't have hurt. The 2005 Hawks weren't competing for the playoffs. What Acie shows next year will be important for the following season when Bibby's deal expires. That's when some choices will have to be made.
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It depends. Does Woodson think this guy was the future point guard of the Hawks? If so, then I blame him.
Byron Scott once told Chris Paul not to look at him to run a play because it was his team, go play basketball. Nate McMillian told a story about how he called a timeout during a game to tell Brandon Roy that he wasn't going to pull him for making a mistake but would pull him if he played scared.
Bottomline, the reason Acie played scared was because Woody made him scared. Alot of people have short memories, but Acie looked good to start the year and the first 7 games. Then he got hurt. When he came back, he had a ridiculously short leash. He would miss a jumper, get pulled. Pass a little late...you are pulled.
That makes players do exactly what Acie ended up doing by the end of the year. Playing timid and just trying to get away from the ball to avoid mistakes. Then he gets hammered for not being aggressive enough. But when he was aggressive, he got pulled if he made a mistake.
If woody didn't think the kid had a future, then fine, bench him. But there was no way Acie was being outplayed by Tyronne Lue when he was here, but Lue would blow 15 defensive assignments, take 9 bad shots, turn the ball over and still be out there. Acie misses a jumper and its bench time.
Acie's only fault right now seems to be a lack of confidence that defeniately was sapped from him by the coach.
Lue 4 MVP - How can you say that Knight was wrong for trying to get him to be a PG when you wanted Stucky or Crittenton?
Its Billy Knights fault for drafting a scoring point to be a passing point, but he should have taken a couple of two guards who have to play the point because of their height?
Byron Scott once told Chris Paul not to look at him to run a play because it was his team, go play basketball. Nate McMillian told a story about how he called a timeout during a game to tell Brandon Roy that he wasn't going to pull him for making a mistake but would pull him if he played scared.
Bottomline, the reason Acie played scared was because Woody made him scared. Alot of people have short memories, but Acie looked good to start the year and the first 7 games. Then he got hurt. When he came back, he had a ridiculously short leash. He would miss a jumper, get pulled. Pass a little late...you are pulled.
That makes players do exactly what Acie ended up doing by the end of the year. Playing timid and just trying to get away from the ball to avoid mistakes. Then he gets hammered for not being aggressive enough. But when he was aggressive, he got pulled if he made a mistake.
If woody didn't think the kid had a future, then fine, bench him. But there was no way Acie was being outplayed by Tyronne Lue when he was here, but Lue would blow 15 defensive assignments, take 9 bad shots, turn the ball over and still be out there. Acie misses a jumper and its bench time.
Acie's only fault right now seems to be a lack of confidence that defeniately was sapped from him by the coach.
Lue 4 MVP - How can you say that Knight was wrong for trying to get him to be a PG when you wanted Stucky or Crittenton?
Its Billy Knights fault for drafting a scoring point to be a passing point, but he should have taken a couple of two guards who have to play the point because of their height?
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Lue provided something that neither AJ or Law did which was the ability to shoot off the dribble. The problem I had was that Woody continued to start AJ and play him 25-30 minutes a game in Janurary/Feburary when the team sucked(I believe the Hawks went 7-18 after their 5 game winning streak)when he was basically a non-factor. I think Acie's bad rookie season has been a mixture of just poorplay(no where near the poise of a 4 year senior),Woodson,and getting injured twice while he actually played his best basketball of the year. I think trading for Bibby made things alot easier because he was actually a legitmiate starting point guard and the team was actually competitive under him. I don't mind Acie not getting minutes if the starting point guard is actually helping us win games. There are alot of things being said in this thread that are ridiculous but I that's another story.
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Woodson's fault.Acie was great at the beginning of the year and even while starting,Lue got more minutes and when Acie got hurt (while in the middle of a breakout game of course)he didn't get his job back.AJ did nothing to keep that job after Acie returned.Then Acie has to run with backups that can't convert his passes into assists and points.They turned them into misses and turnovers.Childress isn't a good offensive player,he's great at cleaning up plays around the basket.Zaza and Marvin were goofs.So was Shelden.AJ still kept that job.He got suspended that one game,Acie started against Portland and him playing with ths starters was no match for Portland and we were winning.Woody plays Lue the entire 4th and we give up the lead and we go into overtime,Lue plays that whole period too and we lose.WHOSE FAULT WAS THAT?SURE WASN'T ACIE'S.Acie had 7 points,5 assists,0 TO's.3-4 from the floor and 1-1 from 3.Great game yet only just uner 20 mins.Lue had 25.
The Bobcats game before the all-star break,Childress is out so that's the only reason Acie played much anyway.He was hitting jumpers, turn around J's all over the place.AJ did nothing to help us the entire game.We have the lead in the 4th,Acie is still out there and it was getting close.We have the ball,Acie drives and gets cut off,he pauses and the shot clock is going down,he tosses a hook in the lane,nothing but net.Very clutch shot.We have the lead witha bout 2 minutes to go.Woody pulls Acie and puts in AJ who by the way STILL HAS DONE NOT A DAMN THING ALL GAME.He quickly throws up two horrible shots.We give up the lead and end up in overtime.Overtime,AJ is still out there.We still have a chance to win but AJ decides to foul Matt Carroll behind the 3 point line.We lose.
After the All-Star break,we have a brand new PG.He doesn't finish the game because of a heal injury.Acie ends the game with 16 points.
Very next game against Sacramento.Acie is in there abusing AJ the new King,he has 7 points in the 3rd.He drives big Slumlord jumps in front and fouls him hard.Acie falls on his wrist.He gets back up and hits 2 FT's.He didn't come out of the game till about 8 minutes in the 4th.U wouldn't think his wrist was that bad to stay in the game that long.HE just put a wrist band on it.
Acie is out forever but when he comes back he gets like 2 straight DNP's.He doesn't get any kind of playing time the rest of the season.Then when it's a blow out against Memphis people expect him to be lights out after 3 minute 5 minute games straight.
Acie will be good next year and if Woody's gone,he'll be great.I mean at one point he had 8 assists and 0 TO's in 21 mins. and the next game he had 5 mins. and the game after that not even 1.WHO"S FAULT IS THAT?NOT ACIE'S.Marvin,Zaza,Lue,AJ could look like dumbazzes on the court all game and not get pulled.If Acie comes out and misses one pass he's pulled after 5 minutes and never returns
If Woody never gives Law's job to the old grandma that prances up the floor that not long before walked out on the team before a game,we would have never needed to trade for Bibby.Remember Pre-season?Analysts were saying Acie looked like a seasoned vet.He started the season that way.Doesn't look near the same now.
Look at the up and coming teams,they have their young point and their big.
Paul and West
Williams and Boozer
soon to be Law and Horford
ps. look at the playoff games boxscores and look at their bench minutes.....yeah nothing like our 6 and sometimes 7 players.Everyone plays decent minutes.
Look at his face,doesn't it look like he's thinking "PLEASE DON'T MISS THIS OR I'LL BE BACK ON THE BENCH IN T MINUS 3 SECONDS"
The Bobcats game before the all-star break,Childress is out so that's the only reason Acie played much anyway.He was hitting jumpers, turn around J's all over the place.AJ did nothing to help us the entire game.We have the lead in the 4th,Acie is still out there and it was getting close.We have the ball,Acie drives and gets cut off,he pauses and the shot clock is going down,he tosses a hook in the lane,nothing but net.Very clutch shot.We have the lead witha bout 2 minutes to go.Woody pulls Acie and puts in AJ who by the way STILL HAS DONE NOT A DAMN THING ALL GAME.He quickly throws up two horrible shots.We give up the lead and end up in overtime.Overtime,AJ is still out there.We still have a chance to win but AJ decides to foul Matt Carroll behind the 3 point line.We lose.
After the All-Star break,we have a brand new PG.He doesn't finish the game because of a heal injury.Acie ends the game with 16 points.
Very next game against Sacramento.Acie is in there abusing AJ the new King,he has 7 points in the 3rd.He drives big Slumlord jumps in front and fouls him hard.Acie falls on his wrist.He gets back up and hits 2 FT's.He didn't come out of the game till about 8 minutes in the 4th.U wouldn't think his wrist was that bad to stay in the game that long.HE just put a wrist band on it.
Acie is out forever but when he comes back he gets like 2 straight DNP's.He doesn't get any kind of playing time the rest of the season.Then when it's a blow out against Memphis people expect him to be lights out after 3 minute 5 minute games straight.
Acie will be good next year and if Woody's gone,he'll be great.I mean at one point he had 8 assists and 0 TO's in 21 mins. and the next game he had 5 mins. and the game after that not even 1.WHO"S FAULT IS THAT?NOT ACIE'S.Marvin,Zaza,Lue,AJ could look like dumbazzes on the court all game and not get pulled.If Acie comes out and misses one pass he's pulled after 5 minutes and never returns
If Woody never gives Law's job to the old grandma that prances up the floor that not long before walked out on the team before a game,we would have never needed to trade for Bibby.Remember Pre-season?Analysts were saying Acie looked like a seasoned vet.He started the season that way.Doesn't look near the same now.
Look at the up and coming teams,they have their young point and their big.
Paul and West
Williams and Boozer
soon to be Law and Horford
ps. look at the playoff games boxscores and look at their bench minutes.....yeah nothing like our 6 and sometimes 7 players.Everyone plays decent minutes.
Look at his face,doesn't it look like he's thinking "PLEASE DON'T MISS THIS OR I'LL BE BACK ON THE BENCH IN T MINUS 3 SECONDS"
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^ Comments like that will get you a serious tongue-lashing from all the delusional homers on this board.
Our players are GREAT - it's our coaching staff's fault for every single one of our 45 losses this season. With a different coach, Acie Law and Al Horford would be in a 2 way race for rookie of the year, we would be the #3 sead in the East, and Marvin Williams would be in the running for MVP with Kobe and Chris Paul. Don't you know ANYTHING about the NBA?! Every problem with our team and our roster should be scape-goated on Woodson't shoulders!!! It's all his fault.
Our players are GREAT - it's our coaching staff's fault for every single one of our 45 losses this season. With a different coach, Acie Law and Al Horford would be in a 2 way race for rookie of the year, we would be the #3 sead in the East, and Marvin Williams would be in the running for MVP with Kobe and Chris Paul. Don't you know ANYTHING about the NBA?! Every problem with our team and our roster should be scape-goated on Woodson't shoulders!!! It's all his fault.
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yep Marvin isn't great.It doesn't matter how he plays.He can start 0-5 or have all the teams points but he'll still be out for Childress at the 6 minute mark lol.Marvin should be alot better than he is but even I gve him the benefit of the doubt because I know a bad coach when I see one.but like u said he didn't draft himself.Acie didn't draft himself and at the same time the guy y'all say we should have picked over him has been no better and is on his 2nd team already, while playing SG.It's dumb saying he's no good after not even a full year.Y'all would have called Deron Williams a bust too for not starting over Keith McCleod half of the year.lol . Yeah u don't know anything about the NBA because if u did u wouldn't judge a players entire career on his rookie year.LL Cool Scott wrote:^ Comments like that will get you a serious tongue-lashing from all the delusional homers on this board.
Our players are GREAT - it's our coaching staff's fault for every single one of our 45 losses this season. With a different coach, Acie Law and Al Horford would be in a 2 way race for rookie of the year, we would be the #3 sead in the East, and Marvin Williams would be in the running for MVP with Kobe and Chris Paul. Don't you know ANYTHING about the NBA?! Every problem with our team and our roster should be scape-goated on Woodson't shoulders!!! It's all his fault.