the bucks pick?

[reazun]

I dont know if anyone mentioned this yet. but the bucks said they are willing to trade their pick. i think that would be good if they dont ask for too much. Which they probably will

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... rade_pick/

[trickydik]

what could we offer ?


marvin - doubtful

childress - not enough and we still don't have him signed

horford - um NO

smith - not gonna happen

i don't think we have enough asset's to throw at them to get the pick , and assuming we do get it from them , who would we pick assuming they stay at 7. only 2 guys i could think of

Jordan and Lopez , but that's just me i feel the hawks need a more traditional center and not a tweener like the rest of our roster is.

[The_Floydian]

Do you really want to give the Hawks another pick to blow?

[Skyhawk1]

We got enough young talent to develop. Our need for a veteran is by far more important than a draft pick at this point.

[reazun]

We got enough young talent to develop. Our need for a veteran is by far more important than a draft pick at this point.

good point

[evildallas]

Actually, depending on how draft night goes and who falls it MIGHT not be a bad pick to have. Having said that I don't see how we match up well with Milwaukee as a trading partner. I mean we could offer either Marvin or Marvin and Zaza in combination for the pick and players. To me Marvin and Yi don't seem like they'd fit that well together in terms of their games.

The other problem might be what baggage they handcuff to the pick. I foresee them trying to tie either Dan Gadzuric or Bobby Simmons to the pick because of their contract. I don't see us as a team willing to take on a really bad contract to get a potential star rookie.

A trade could only happen draft night because if someone of interest doesn't slip I see #8 as the spot where the talented craps shoots begin. Gallinari, Jordan, Randolph, and Greene are all raw.

[tontoz]

The only deal that would make sense is Marvin for Mason/pick. The salaries match and Mason is expiring.

I didn't follow college ball so i don't know who would be worth trading for though.

[Hawkeyes]

They have the #8 pick which means if we traded for it we could get Eric Gordon..however, I doubt Milwaukee will trade it.

[conleyorbust]

The only deal that would make sense is Marvin for Mason/pick. The salaries match and Mason is expiring.

I didn't follow college ball so i don't know who would be worth trading for though.

I guess we'd be looking for a point guard, small forward, or shooting guard (move Joe to SF).

Westbrook is a big PG who plays D, Gordon looks like he could be a solid SG, and Augustin is a PG with a 3pt. shot. Mayo will be gone by then and guys like Rush/CDR don't warrant that high a pick.

I don't really see why we'd do this. I'm not super-high on Marv's potential but we don't need to trade him just to do it. I guess we could have a firm ceiling on what we want our salary structure to look like when Marv is up for extension - that seems like the only reason to do a deal like this though.

Look at it like this: everyone is very high on Gordon right now but not nearly as high as they were on Marv when he was coming out. What guarantee do you have that anyone taken at 8 will be better than Marv, which is to say average with the potential to become an above average player?

[tontoz]

What guarantee do you have that anyone taken at 8 will be better than Marv, which is to say average with the potential to become an above average player?

None

I don't know the college prospects well so i can't say if it would be worth it. I do know that Marvin's salary will go up substantially after next year though. I also can't see him being more than (hopefully) a better than average 3.

A rookies salary is much easier to live with and it would make it easier to aquire vets later on. There is also the chance that we could get a really good player.

So in the end i don't know if it would be a good deal or not. I do know that Marvin for Mason/first is the only deal that is somewhat realistic as far as trading for their pick this year.

[saloonyk8]

I think the Bucks are more likely to shop Redd for a young player/expiring than they are to trade their draft pick.

Not sure if I'd want it but Marvin/Bibby might be able to land Redd.

[tontoz]

I think the Bucks are more likely to shop Redd for a young player/expiring than they are to trade their draft pick.

Not sure if I'd want it but Marvin/Bibby might be able to land Redd.

That definitely works for me.

[HoopsGuru25]

I don't like the idea of trading Marvin unless Mayo or Bayless falls. Jordan seems like he's got upside and could potentially be the center we need but we would have to wait a few years on him and he could still be a bust. I get the feeling Jordans stock would fall like Chris Taft's did when he went back to school after supposedly being a guaranteed lottery pick as a freshman. Randolph seems interesting but he also reminds me of little like Brandan Wright...the skillset of a PF but the weight of a shooting guard although I "think" Randolph has a better jumpshot and better ball handling skills than Wright. Gordon seems like a shorter version of J.R Smith. Very good athlete/spot up shooter but he has a weak handle.

I don't want to trade into this draft although I'm not sure we could trade the 8th pick for Marvin if we tried.

[saloonyk8]

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That definitely works for me.

I don't think we'd be able to keep Josh Smith then because we'd have 2 max players in JJ and Redd already.

[tontoz]

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I don't think we'd be able to keep Josh Smith then because we'd have 2 max players in JJ and Redd already.

Keep in mind that there is a new TV deal going into effect next year which will raise revenues. Plus we are trading away Marvin who would be due for an extension after next season.

The luxury tax will be at about $71 million next year so we have some room. Zaza is expiring too and Speedy has only 2 years left i believe.

[saloonyk8]

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Keep in mind that there is a new TV deal going into effect next year which will raise revenues. Plus we are trading away Marvin who would be due for an extension after next season.

The luxury tax will be at about $71 million next year so we have some room. Zaza is expiring too and Speedy has only 2 years left i believe.

To me it just doesn't make sense to have 3 guys making the max when they are JJ, Redd, and Smith. None of the three play PG or C, the two most important positions. And none of them is a "true max" guy like Kobe, Lebron, etc.

I personally don't care about the money, but if you're giving 3 guys the max they better be able to make you a conference contender every year...I don't think those 3 do that. In fact, they remind me a little too much of Shareef, Glenn, and JT more than Bird, McHale, and Parrish.

[tontoz]

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To me it just doesn't make sense to have 3 guys making the max when they are JJ, Redd, and Smith. None of the three play PG or C, the two most important positions. And none of them is a "true max" guy like Kobe, Lebron, etc.

I personally don't care about the money, but if you're giving 3 guys the max they better be able to make you a conference contender every year...I don't think those 3 do that. In fact, they remind me a little too much of Shareef, Glenn, and JT more than Bird, McHale, and Parrish.

First of all Smith isn't getting the max. Secondly the max is a lot higher now than it was when JJ and Redd signed their deals.

Rashard will make $17 million next year. Would you take him over JJ, Smith or Redd?

[conleyorbust]

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To me it just doesn't make sense to have 3 guys making the max when they are JJ, Redd, and Smith. None of the three play PG or C, the two most important positions. And none of them is a "true max" guy like Kobe, Lebron, etc.

I personally don't care about the money, but if you're giving 3 guys the max they better be able to make you a conference contender every year...I don't think those 3 do that. In fact, they remind me a little too much of Shareef, Glenn, and JT more than Bird, McHale, and Parrish.

Well I'd say all three are more talented than any of those guys you mentioned.

I'm not entirely sure of if its a championship core just yet but I think this team's best shot at that is if Smith can become almost as much of a force on offense as he is on D.

[saloonyk8]

I agree that Josh Smith is probably the key to our future playoff success. He is not a legitimate #2 on offense right now and that's critical.

I'd be shocked if Smoove got less than $12M/year. He's going to get max or very, very close to it.

Wasn't Rashard's contract front loaded? What's "max money" these days?

[tontoz]

I agree that Josh Smith is probably the key to our future playoff success. He is not a legitimate #2 on offense right now and that's critical.

I'd be shocked if Smoove got less than $12M/year. He's going to get max or very, very close to it.

Wasn't Rashard's contract front loaded? What's "max money" these days?

Rashard's deal looks like this:

$17.2 mil
$18.9 mil
$20.5 mil
$22 mil
$23.8 mil


Smith's case is different since this is only his second contract. I would guess that a max deal would start around $14 million with 10% raises which would be 5 years 85 million or 6 years $97 million.