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I disagree with the need to trade Marvin. He has the talent to be a star. With that being said one of his best assets is his positive attitude. At approximately a little above MLE money, we could have a guy like Marvin coming off the bench. Marvin doesn't care about starting (probably would rather be on the bench like at UNC), and is a good locker room guy. He has a heck of a jump shot and will only get better at taking the ball to the hoop. Why trade him when we can use him. Did we blow the pick? Ofcourse we did, but that doesn't mean we don't have a player that we could use on our team. We can get a veteran 3 in fre agency, or move smoove to the 3, al to the 4, and get a veteran 5 in free agency. We can even sign or try to trade for a pick and get a 2, moving JJ to the 3, keeping smoove at the 4 and al at the 5. We have a ton of options. I dont see then need to move marving just because he was a second pick of the draft bust. He is still a good player and team guy.

I'm sure Marvin appreciates your support, but I wouldn't be so sure about him agreeing to your salary terms over a long term deal.

I don't think we HAVE to trade him.

His presence doesn't make the team worse in and of itself.

I do think we would be irresponsible to not shop him considering that he is up for extension soon and he will be asking for a lot of money based solely on where he was drafted.

Its time to start making decisions about which players are going to be our "core" and building around them. Unlike you, I don't see Marv ever being a star. I don't think he has the in-game athleticism, skillset, or attitude for it. If we can find a team that still sees a lot of value in him then we would be better of trading him to build around the skillsets of our most talented players (Joe and Josh S).

Building around the skillsets of Joe and Josh requires a player like Marvin that can hit the open jumpshot. Marvin has all the tools to be one of the best small forwards in the leauge but it's going to take more time than most of you are willing to give him.

ATLfan wrote:Building around the skillsets of Joe and Josh requires a player like Marvin that can hit the open jumpshot. Marvin has all the tools to be one of the best small forwards in the leauge but it's going to take more time than most of you are willing to give him.

Well for one, its debatable about how often Marv can hit the open jumpshot. The point is, smart teams pay their best players star money and their role players role player money. We are going to have to give out 3 massive contracts at some point but we can't give every productive player on the team a fat contract. I don't know the cap as well as some but from my understanding, Marv's qualifying offer is pretty hefty.

Since when does Marvin have a good open jump shot? He was inconsistent shooting the J this year.

He was only inconsistent after he his knee got hurt in the Seattle game.

keep Marvin,.... because he really has no trade value right now. you will get more from his potential going into his 4th year than anything you will get in return.

M301E814W404 wrote:I disagree with the need to trade Marvin. He has the talent to be a star.

You lost me right there.

As long as he didn't say superstar, he COULD be. He just needs to get out of the Zaza school of "Flop around like a dumbass to draw the foul instead of focusing on making the basket"

He has no chance on being a superstar in this league...just doesn't have IT. I personally don't see a guy on our team that does.

When everything's right, Marvelous can (and has) hit 60%, which is amazing. I don't mean lucky bounces, I mean a real 60%. If you've ever watched him in person, you've seen that his shooting stroke is for real. Yeah, I know some of y'all could drag up instances of bad shooters hitting for a high % for a game or so.

Point is, with Marvin, it's actually what he's capable of on a regular basis. I'm saying Marvin could be one of those extremely rare 50% shooters.

If he ever stretches his range out to the 3pt. arch, he'll be absolute murder. And seriously, is there anyone who thinks that range is too far for him to ever reach?

Add in the ability to draw fouls and his good defense and stardom is believable. Let me put is this way: if he can hit 40% from 3pt. land, he'll be better than Redd as an overall player.

T-mac - 3rd year to 4th year

Marvin 3rd year to 4th year


i want to give him atleast one more year and not do the same mistake toronto did by trading T-Mac , the hawks have made many mistakes but i don't want them to make another by trading marvin so early.


i believe T-Mac was 21 when he was traded too. I'm not comparing the 2 just yet , marvin has plenty of basketball left in him , but i will say that he does have the potential to be a close version of T-mac and i say keep him here another year , his trade value is way too low and we wouldn't get enough in return by getting rid of him now.

HE IS ONLY 21 !!!!!!!

Future WNBA most valuable player.

I think, and so does everybody else, that he has the raw talent and athletic ability to be a start. Will he ever be, no. He is too contents in his role as a 5th option to ever progress that far. With that being said, he is happy not being the go to guy. He is probably the only player int he league with as much talent as he has the is happy with where he is at. If we can keep him at the right price, why not? I would love him off the bench for the right price. Who wouldn't?

parson wrote:When everything's right, Marvelous can (and has) hit 60%, which is amazing. I don't mean lucky bounces, I mean a real 60%. If you've ever watched him in person, you've seen that his shooting stroke is for real. Yeah, I know some of y'all could drag up instances of bad shooters hitting for a high % for a game or so.

Point is, with Marvin, it's actually what he's capable of on a regular basis. I'm saying Marvin could be one of those extremely rare 50% shooters.

If he ever stretches his range out to the 3pt. arch, he'll be absolute murder. And seriously, is there anyone who thinks that range is too far for him to ever reach?

Add in the ability to draw fouls and his good defense and stardom is believable. Let me put is this way: if he can hit 40% from 3pt. land, he'll be better than Redd as an overall player.

Marvin only shot 41% on his 2 point jumpers.

http://www.82games.com/FGSORT7.HTM

Considering how many of those were wide open catch and shoot attempts that isn't very impressive.

I'm surprised at the reactions I'm reading regarding Marvin and his potential, etc. Do you still frown upon a Marvin for Calderon trade?

i am indeed a hawks fan and have been since the 'nique era.
Marvin williams does not deserve to start on this hawks line up. he plays little to no defense, can't post and is a good yet inconsistant jump shooter.
If his shots are'nt falling he gives us nothing else. Players who fit this description usually come off the bench. Some will quote his season avgs
in his defense but any one with decent talent could avg those numbers if they played as many minutes as he does. keep him or trade him? If something solid presents itself i would do it but by no means would i give him away. not when he could be a boost off the bench instead of a tease as a starter. Childress is better. keep childress instead.

komodo19 wrote:I'm surprised at the reactions I'm reading regarding Marvin and his potential, etc. Do you still frown upon a Marvin for Calderon trade?

Who in the world frowned on that deal?

Before the season most people here frowned on that deal. hell- many were against Childress for Calderon

killbuckner wrote:Before the season most people here frowned on that deal. hell- many were against Childress for Calderon

Seriously?