Kirk Hinrich

[HMFFL]

Should we consider trading for Kirk Hinrich? If so, who do you propose we move for him? It's worth discussing even if some of us feel Acie Law is the future point for the Atlanta Hawks. I'm just not sure if I'm willing to hand Acie the keys after the upcoming season.

Kirk Hinrich's Contract:

$10,000,000

$9,500,000

$9,000,000

$8,000,000

Mike Bibby's Contract:

$15,225,000

Team Salaries:

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[raleigh]

I'd love to have him, but I'm afraid the price is Hughes unless you're sending back a superior player.

[HoopsGuru25]

Hinrich would be a nice fit on the Hawk especially playing next to Joe. He is a very good defender at both guard positions. You can go big with him and Joe in the backcourt or you go can put him at the 2 in small lineups while Joe is at the 3. He is also a good spot up shooter like Bibby(although he doesn't have as quick of a release).

The cons are that he's coming off a horrible year. This may have been a fluke(as the entire team was a disaster this year)but his entire game suffered including his defense. He's not a true point guard...he really can't beat his man off the dribble(like Bibby)so he has a tough time creating his own offense or offense for any 1 else(although shouldn't be a problem because Joe is a very good passer). He also picks up ALOT of dumb fouls due to being too aggressive on defense.

I would be interested in him but it depends on what the price tag is. He's obviously a better player(and better fit) than Bibby or Acie I wouldn't trade Horford,Smith,Joe,or Marvin for him. His contract runs for 4 more years and he's coming off a really awful year. I don't think it would be smart to trade for him unless they are willing to just give him away for a salary dump like they did with Chandler.

[Hawks]

I would trade for him. Only question is do the Bulls want Bibby? They will if they want to get out from under Kirk contract.

[Rip2137]

If we could somehow get him for just Bibby, sure, but I thnk it would take more than that. I wouldn't give up two contributors for him.

I personally just don't know about that contact. Its pretty freakin big, but that does give a guy that can play the point, play defense...everything we need. I just don't know if its a possibility, especially with a team like the Knicks out there that can give the Bulls a need (low post scorer if they are going to draft Rose) for him.

[HMFFL]

Atlanta would need to take on another contract. The one that's the most appealing is Drew Gooden, but it's not likely Chicago would included him with Kirk for Mike Bibby, so we would need to do better if we want the trade to happen. Even so, Drew Gooden coming off our bench might not be a happy world for him, so we could pursue another trade during the season. It just depends on which one of our young players would are willing to move and which one Chicago would want.


OT: Just read that Joakim Noah has been arrested for drug possession.

[CWell]

no thanks.I'm fine with Acie.We could use a backup for him though

[mattlanta]

no thanks.I'm fine with Acie.We could use a backup for him though

Wow, I knew you were on his ball sacks even when how you talked in Hawksquawk, bro. Acie's got a long way to go, and especially if we keep Woodson, I highly doubt he will ever develop into the point guard you dream of him to be...

[ATLfan]

Acie should be just fine next year. No one has been able to stop him from getting to the basket now all he has to do is finish better and get his jumper back.

[CWell]

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Wow, I knew you were on his ball sacks even when how you talked in Hawksquawk, bro. Acie's got a long way to go, and especially if we keep Woodson, I highly doubt he will ever develop into the point guard you dream of him to be...

nah he just needs playing time like any successful player.Kirk Hinrich isn't even that good.He's played SG most of the his career next to Duhon.He's not a PG.y'all people kill me with the hugger/hater crap y'all came up with.I see the talent that I didn't know he had,so I know he's gonna be successful unless dumbazz Woody is still here.I didn't even want him in the draft I wanted Conley but when I saw him play I changed my mind.I did the same with Roddy White,but I guess I was just a hugger then huh?I wanted Chris Paul,when most of y'all didn't but all y'all do is bitch about it now but u never see me complain about that.y'all just like to complain,just because he wasn't in the running for rookie of the year or lit it up his first year,it had to be all his fault,it can't have nothing to do with inconsistent minutes,unlike a certain Rodney Stuckey we keep hearing about that wasn't brought up till he made a few jumpers in the playoffs.Y'all are just going to look like idiots ONCE AGAIN when he turns into one of the best young PG's in the league,he's def. better than Rondo.Y'all will be proved wrong,say it's no big deal and then label the next young player that comes along a failure after 3 months.

[mattlanta]

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nah he just needs playing time like any successful player.Kirk Hinrich isn't even that good.He's played SG most of the his career next to Duhon.He's not a PG.y'all people kill me with the hugger/hater crap y'all came up with.I see the talent that I didn't know he had,so I know he's gonna be successful unless dumbazz Woody is still here.I didn't even want him in the draft I wanted Conley but when I saw him play I changed my mind.I did the same with Roddy White,but I guess I was just a hugger then huh?I wanted Chris Paul,when most of y'all didn't but all y'all do is bitch about it now but u never see me complain about that.y'all just like to complain,just because he wasn't in the running for rookie of the year or lit it up his first year,it had to be all his fault,it can't have nothing to do with inconsistent minutes,unlike a certain Rodney Stuckey we keep hearing about that wasn't brought up till he made a few jumpers in the playoffs.Y'all are just going to look like idiots ONCE AGAIN when he turns into one of the best young PG's in the league,he's def. better than Rondo.Y'all will be proved wrong,say it's no big deal and then label the next young player that comes along a failure after 3 months.

Y'all Law fans take it seriously when we question him. It's not like I said he'd turn out into a flat out bust. Sheesh!

[reazun]

I think Law will be great as long as Woody doesnt destroy his confidence and kill his development because of his lack of minutes. Why do we even have a full roster? Woody refuses to play more than 6 people

[HMFFL]

I think Law will be great as long as Woody doesnt destroy his confidence and kill his development because of his lack of minutes. Why do we even have a full roster? Woody refuses to play more than 6 people

Acie Law needs to stay healthy for Woody to be able to play him.

[CWell]

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Acie Law needs to stay healthy for Woody to be able to play him.

Stuckey played in only one more game but Flip Saunders has no problem playing him.Acie got hurt twice and missed a string of games OK,but it's not like he was hurt all year.He was there Woody just didn't use him.Just like they always say he leaves bullets in his gun,good coaches fire everything.

What I came across on Pistons boards is that during the season.Stuckey had trouble running the team,he couldn't finish inside and he couldn't make a jumpshot,does that sound familiar?

[LL Cool Scott]

I'd do the deal. Hinrich is a proven commodity, and would be a great fit alongside Joe (hits the open jumper, big guard, tremendous defense). Acie showed flashes of talent last year (particularly in his ability to get past his defender and into the lane) but he doesn't show those special "point guard instincts." Not sure if Hinrich does either, but he's a veteran, and he's a far better shooter and defender than Acie. I'd bank on last season being an aberration and see if we could get him cheap, since he appears to be expendable if the Bulls pull the trigger on hometown hero Rose.

Don't forget, this guy is 2 years removed from being backup to Chris Paul on the Olympic team.

[JoshB914]

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Stuckey played in only one more game but Flip Saunders has no problem playing him.Acie got hurt twice and missed a string of games OK,but it's not like he was hurt all year.He was there Woody just didn't use him.Just like they always say he leaves bullets in his gun,good coaches fire everything.

What I came across on Pistons boards is that during the season.Stuckey had trouble running the team,he couldn't finish inside and he couldn't make a jumpshot,does that sound familiar?

When Rodney Stuckey is on the floor he has some combo of Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, and Rip Hamilton around him (not to mention he clearly showed more in the regular season than Law did in the first place). When you have that kind of team you can afford to play your backups, as they will often excel when surrounded by great players. This is very easy to see and happens everywhere, it is not a coaching issue so much as it is a matter of common sense.

The Law stuff is getting ridiculous. Some of ya'll are starting to sound like a bunch of soccer mom's who are mad because the coach doesn't play their son enough.

We'll see what Law is made of next year. He's going to get a chance to prove himself.

[Harry10]

i'm giving a big no for any Kirk trade.

i remember last season when the Bulls where in ATL and Hawks stomped the Bulls when Kirk was in the game, but then the Bulls came back to win because Kirk went out and Duhon came in.

Kirk has alot of the same problems Bibby has, and if you read the Bulls board they will tell you alof of Kirk's problems. basically Bulls fans use Kirk as a scapegoat, and i personally do think he does deserve it.

[evildallas]

After looking at all the numbers I've gotta say I'm unimpressed with Hinrich. Either Toronto PG seems to be a much better option on the trade market. Even if offered at a trade discount, Hinrich doesn't seem to be a better option than a healthy Bibby. He's a smart player and defensively more sound, but lacks the speed to keep faster PGs in front of him. He's also not been reliable with the outside shot. Lateral moves which lock in 4 years of salary aren't normally good.

[parson]

Hinrich's had ONE decent shooting season out of 5 in professional ball. Has anyone else noticed that?

Maybe last year wasn't his norm; maybe it was his fluke season.

Maybe this season was his norm.

[HoopsGuru25]

I think people get too caught up in shooting percentages especially when it comes to point guards. If Hinrich were on the Hawks his role would be to play good defense,hit open 3s,and to not turn the ball over. He has hit 140 3 pointers in 3 of his 5 years and he has never played with a player who drew as much defensive attention as Joe. His defense alone makes him an upgrade over Bibby. I think Bibby could be a slightly better outside shooter but that's it.

The question is what they are asking for..not if we want him. If he is available as a salary dump then the Hawks would be crazy not to make an offer for him. Every one on the Bulls had a bad year so I don't expect him to repeat last year's awful performance. If they actually want something of value back then it's a huge risk. My guess is that he get's traded for garbage(maybe not a salary dump like Chandler but well under his value)and he has a strong bounce back year for another team as the starting pg on a team like Denver.