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I feel bad for him. He had a lot of potential and at the least was going to have a long career as a role player. It's too bad that this injury could ruin his career.

I truly couldn't see a team come in there and give him a guaranteed payday.
He is going to have to refine his game and figure a way to play through some tough times.

Knees don't exactly recover very well under serious situations. He wasn't able to see his hard work payoff long term.

He had star point guard written all over him. He is also an example of why I hate the NBA making these kids go to college. Had this injury happened in the freshman year of a kid that would have made it into the NBA, his career would be over and he never would have had the opportunity to cash in on his talent because of a dumb rule.

That doesn't sit well with me.

Rip2137 wrote:He had star point guard written all over him. He is also an example of why I hate the NBA making these kids go to college. Had this injury happened in the freshman year of a kid that would have made it into the NBA, his career would be over and he never would have had the opportunity to cash in on his talent because of a dumb rule.

That doesn't sit well with me.

He could still work at Mcdonald's. Anyone that thinks it's normal for owners and players to make so much $, either understands nothing about the socio-economic realities or just doesn't care.

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He could still work at Mcdonald's. Anyone that thinks it's normal for owners and players to make so much $, either understands nothing about the socio-economic realities or just doesn't care.

I have no clue what you are trying to say. After HS if there were employers literally lining up willing to pay him a million dollars a year and he were willing to accept it I think its ridiculous for the league to say no. If it were a computer prodigy no one would care at all if the kid skipped college to earn a million dollars a year at microsoft. College should be about giving people the skills they need to earn a living, if someone already has the skills to do what they love then college is pointless.

Durnit, I think hell just froze over.

I agree with KB on something.

God, now I need to have my head examined....

All this time I thought college was about getting an education.

Anyway, I do have to agree that the 1-year rule is kind of pointless.

College is (or should be, anyway) about getting an education.

So isn't it defeating that purpose by forcing players who could be professional to play an amateur year (or two), when they don't really want to be there, and are taking up a slot which could be used by someone who actually does?

If the NBA wants to allow players to develop, then they should turn the NBDL into a full-out minor league system, where teams can leave players for multiple seasons for development, and can control that development, much like Baseball and Hockey.

In fact, you could have a similar rule to those two same sports, with regard the draft: Either a player can be drafted after HS, or after his Jr or Sr years of college, and they don't have to announce (and thus lose NCAA amateur status) for the draft. Players who go to college have to stay for 3+yrs. improving college game; players who don't, can go either straight to NBA or stay in the NBDL (for more than just their first 2 seasons), and let teams have a 25 man roster -- 13 in NBA, 12 in NBDL (15 NBA contracts max; rest are minor league contracts).

smabie wrote:College is (or should be, anyway) about getting an education.

So isn't it defeating that purpose by forcing players who could be professional to play an amateur year (or two), when they don't really want to be there, and are taking up a slot which could be used by someone who actually does?

The NBA's heart is probably in the right place and I do believe they think they have youngsters best interests at heart but its hard to send a message about the value of getting an education when tuition is prohibitive for a good chunk of the population.

COB- I don't think that the NBA has the players best interest at heart at all. Think about how much more excited fans are about getting Beasley and Rose this season compared to last season if they came in straight out of high school. THe NBA gets a free year of advertising out of the deal and they don't waste so much money on busts.

killbuckner wrote:COB- I don't think that the NBA has the players best interest at heart at all. Think about how much more excited fans are about getting Beasley and Rose this season compared to last season if they came in straight out of high school. THe NBA gets a free year of advertising out of the deal and they don't waste so much money on busts.

May be true, arguments against the limit are more compelling either way.

smabie wrote:College is (or should be, anyway) about getting an education.

So isn't it defeating that purpose by forcing players who could be professional to play an amateur year (or two), when they don't really want to be there, and are taking up a slot which could be used by someone who actually does?

If the NBA wants to allow players to develop, then they should turn the NBDL into a full-out minor league system, where teams can leave players for multiple seasons for development, and can control that development, much like Baseball and Hockey.

In fact, you could have a similar rule to those two same sports, with regard the draft: Either a player can be drafted after HS, or after his Jr or Sr years of college, and they don't have to announce (and thus lose NCAA amateur status) for the draft. Players who go to college have to stay for 3+yrs. improving college game; players who don't, can go either straight to NBA or stay in the NBDL (for more than just their first 2 seasons), and let teams have a 25 man roster -- 13 in NBA, 12 in NBDL (15 NBA contracts max; rest are minor league contracts).

but in baseball, guys who dont have a good shot outa high school go to college just to have a shot of being drafted by a club.
More often in basketball guys go into college for a year just to improve their stocks.

im in favor of the all out NBADL as a minor league farm in which every organization has a team and extending the draft. say 4 rounds

I dunno how this relates to shawns case but in our Afl league one of our players has had an artificial ACL ligament put in..Basically hes done his knee a couple of times... And rather than be out for 12 mnths he was out three... Now he's back playing again and all indications so far is that its been a bit of a success...

Apparently this technique was done first in the 80s but shelved cause it created a lot more problems later... But with increased technology they're giving it another go...

Shawns case sounds a lot more serious but its something to think about

http://www.livenews.com.au/articles/200 ... ock_return

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/m ... 32524.html

perthwildcat wrote:I dunno how this relates to shawns case but in our Afl league one of our players has had an artificial ACL ligament put in..Basically hes done his knee a couple of times... And rather than be out for 12 mnths he was out three... Now he's back playing again and all indications so far is that its been a bit of a success...

Apparently this technique was done first in the 80s but shelved cause it created a lot more problems later... But with increased technology they're giving it another go...

Shawns case sounds a lot more serious but its something to think about

http://www.livenews.com.au/articles/200 ... ock_return

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/m ... 32524.html

That's pretty interesting, thanks for sharing.

Livingston on the other hand tore every ligament.

Retrovision wrote:im in favor of the all out NBADL as a minor league farm in which every organization has a team and extending the draft. say 4 rounds

This suggestion would absolutely kill college basketball. Then it would suck just like college baseball. There is a reason college basketball and football are the only 2 college sports everyone cares about, it's because the best players at that age range are playing there. You're essentially swapping out college basketball for NBDL. I'd much rather encourage kids to go to college and then at least have a backup plan if the don't make the pros as opposed to being screwed after 3 years when they figure out they'll never make it out of the minors and they have no education, something that happens to baseball players who get drafted out of high school all the time.

GTfan wrote:There is a reason college basketball and football are the only 2 college sports everyone cares about,

Because they are the two easiest sports to gamble on.

I don't even agree with teh NBDL decision.

Simply put, if a GM wants to draft a kid out of highshchool, draft him. Its not the league's responsibility to protect GM's from taking gambles. Its silly and its a ridiculous double standard in that everyone is just fine with drafting overseas talent and taking the gamble but for some reason gambling on a 17-18 year old kid from the US will destroy the league.

If a player isn't good enough to get drafted, then he should be able to go to college ball and play as long as it take to build his buzz. I think requiring them to risk their entire basketball future for free for x number of years is silly too. If I have a buzz big enough to be a lottery pick after my freshman year, then I should be able to go and get those guarenteed millions of dollars.

At least there is a legit reason for restrictions in other sports. Kids bodies just aren't ready for the NFL at 18. They need the years of higher quality training and competition to prepare their body to take a NFL hit. That isn't the case in the NBA.

The whole age rule is only built to make the NCAA money. I have a problem with making rules to keep (often times) a bunch of poor kids poor for some extra years so that rich people can get richer. Its disgusting to me.