Adonal Foyle as a free agent

evildallas · Post #1 » by **evildallas** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:03 pm

Adonal Foyle is opting out of his 2 year deal with Orlando. He's still on GSW's cap this year (and a little next). For those who don't know, he's a defense only guy and not much of an offensive presence. His PT has been low for a while, so you have to look at per minute numbers to get an idea of his potential impact (per minute he would be #2 in blocks behind Josh Smith and slightly ahead of Zaza on rebounding). The theory on the opt out was that he didn't get as much PT as he expected, so it seems that while money isn't a stumbling point (veteran minimum) an honest shot at decent PT as a backup is. I'm assuming that 15-18 mpg would probably be a fair commitment to him.

We need a defensive big to come off the bench behind Al. Would you give Adonal 15 minutes a night promise to get him on the roster at veteran minimum?

Some alternatives include give the minutes to Solomon, sign an unproven big like Patrick O'Bryant or Randolph Morris, offer most of the MLE (if not all) to someone like Diop, or trade for someone like Pryzbilla, Etan Thomas, or Gadzuric.

tbhawksfan · Post #2 » by **tbhawksfan** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:15 pm

Don't forget Andersen. He would be a good back up PF/C.

Horford/Smoove/Zaza/Andersen/Jones isn't a bad five deep.

Harry10 · Post #3 » by **Harry10** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:10 am

Solomon can do everything Foyle can do, if given the minutes.

evildallas · Post #4 » by **evildallas** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:45 am

Harry10 wrote:Solomon can do everything Foyle can do, if given the minutes.

I would love for him to prove it or for that matter for the Coach to give him a chance to prove it.

Post #5 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:13 am

Solomon needs to play like the Chevy "Mack" truck he drives. He also has the chrome balls (as seen from the pic below) hanging from the back of his truck, so I would like to see him not only play like he has some on the court, but also stop making dumb mistakes when he receives court time. Woodson needs to see him perform during practice before he allows him to make mistakes on the court. I say mistakes because I saw Josh Smith chewing Solo out plenty of times when he was on the floor for making dumb decisions. At this point I'm done supporting Solo until he wises up and produces when he touches the court.

I'd be hard to promise Adonal Foyle with ZaZa on the team too. ZaZa started to get upset this year when his minutes were being cut and not stable. Adonal Foyle should come cheap, so I would give him a look, but we can't promise him anything....Let him battle it out with ZaZa for playing time.

Retrovision · Post #6 » by **Retrovision** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:11 pm

Why Foyle, I thought he was to old to produce in Orlando.

conleyorbust · Post #7 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:33 pm

Well, we'll see what happens with our bench this summer. If Zaza sticks around, if we bring over Andersen, if we make a run at Kwame/Diop.

By now everyone knows what Foyle brings to the table. Great shotblocker with a very high defensive bball IQ and atrocious offense. He's also a very good locker room guy, not Lo Wright isn't producing on the court so we'll call him a good locker room guy, Foyle is the type who actively works to make young guys think about life/the game.

Solo might be able to block shots if given minutes but he a) won't get minutes under Woody, who is coming back and b) isn't nearly as intelligent as a defender.

I would like to see Foyle in a Hawks uni but if we have plans for other guys I could see why we wouldn't pursue him.

td00 · Post #8 » by **td00** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:44 pm

How much do you want to pay this guy? He is making 1.26M with Orlando and he thinks he can get more? His move is definitely about the $$. GSW is stuck paying him around $10M for the next 3 seasons.

I don't see him bringing much to this team; he is not very productive in my opinion.
While I don't like Solomon Jones as a primary reserve, I have to think that Sund could do better.

Give me Pryzbilla, or possibly someone with some offensive potential or who might be able to hit 2 free throws. Zaza can still be productive, but we do need to improve our defensive presence, but not at the expense of a Ben Wallace on the offensive end.

While its only for probably a max of 10 min/game, I just don't see him contributing here to this team.

Retrovision · Post #9 » by **Retrovision** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:59 am

Does Lo Wright ring a bell?

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:30 am

td00 wrote:How much do you want to pay this guy? He is making 1.26M with Orlando and he thinks he can get more? His move is definitely about the $$. GSW is stuck paying him around $10M for the next 3 seasons.

My understanding is that it isn't a money issue, but a playing time issue. The story of him opting out seemed to imply that he felt misled about his opportunity in Orlando. I can't imagine he thought he would start any games, but maybe under 10 minutes a game PT wasn't enough for him.

Post #11 » by **dms269** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:16 pm

evildallas wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My understanding is that it isn't a money issue, but a playing time issue. The story of him opting out seemed to imply that he felt misled about his opportunity in Orlando. I can't imagine he thought he would start any games, but maybe under 10 minutes a game PT wasn't enough for him.

9.4 mpg is what he averaged, which is pretty bad. He only played in 3 playoff games also.

The problem I see is if DA is brought over and Foyle signs, what about minutes. Zaza will get his since Woody has a man-crush on him, so I couldn't see a ton of minutes beign there, even if it is a need positionwise.

conleyorbust · Post #12 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:12 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
evildallas wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My understanding is that it isn't a money issue, but a playing time issue. The story of him opting out seemed to imply that he felt misled about his opportunity in Orlando. I can't imagine he thought he would start any games, but maybe under 10 minutes a game PT wasn't enough for him.

9.4 mpg is what he averaged, which is pretty bad. He only played in 3 playoff games also.

The problem I see is if DA is brought over and Foyle signs, what about minutes. Zaza will get his since Woody has a man-crush on him, so I couldn't see a ton of minutes beign there, even if it is a need positionwise.

Well I think one goal of this offseason would be to find a way to unload Zaza since he has some value as an expiring, especially if we get DA or some other offensive minded big man.