OT - Clippers plan to target Calderon

evildallas · Post #1 » by **evildallas** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:47 pm

I saw an article saying the Clippers will target Jose Calderon. This makes sense to me as Calderon's stats are very similar to Steve Nash's prior to his explosion within the Phoenix system. The question I wanted to raise with this post is what type of offer do you think the Clippers will make to Calderon? Does not making a qualifying offer remove any cap hold for Livingston? How does Maggette opting out affect their cap? Depending on those answers, they might be able to offer Jose a max deal if they desire. Does Toronto say true to its word and match any offer?

I labeled it OT because we cannot make a competitive offer due to our cap situation. It does affect a lot of things with us more directly like our RFAs situation. Possible implications on the trading of TJ Ford, etc.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #2 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:55 pm

It doesn't make much since to target Calderon. His value is high and the Raptors are unlikely to trade him for anything on the Clippers. A Ford for Maggette swap actually makes since for both teams. It gives the Clippers a huge upgrade from a Brevin Knight/Dan Dickau combo and it gives the Raptors a wing player who can create his own offense in isolation for the 1st time since Vince Carter.

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:14 pm

Not that they would, but the Clippers conceivably have the cap room to offer him near the max. If he signs the offer sheet then Toronto can choose to pay him that much or let him go. They don't have to work out a trade to get him.

If he turns out to be the next Steve Nash and you can look him up for his prime, then it would be worth the max. Also consider they already have C (Kaman), PF (Brand if he doesn't opt out), and SF (Al Thornton). They could fill SG in the draft which leaves PG as their obvious need position.

EZ · Post #4 » by EZ » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:36 am

A swap of Ford for Maggette would be the most realistic.

I don't know what the Clips would offer for Calderon...but Toronto would have to be asking for Thornton + in return.

Post #5 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:42 am

The only way I see Toronto letting Jose Calderon go to the Clippers is if they can acquire Chris Kaman. Chris fits the Raptors biggest need and would make a good tandem with Chris Bosh. A filler or two would most likely be needed by Toronto.

Chris' Contract:

$9,500,000

$10,400,000

$11,300,000

$12,200,000

Post #6 » by **dms269** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:40 am

evildallas wrote:Not that they would, but the Clippers conceivably have the cap room to offer him near the max. If he signs the offer sheet then Toronto can choose to pay him that much or let him go. They don't have to work out a trade to get him.

I think that is what they do. They offer Calderon and see if Toronto matches it. Trading their main pieces (aka Kaman) would hurt the team since they would have to fill that C spot. If they get Calderon, they have a great core. If they don't, they just continue to rebuild.

evildallas · Post #7 » by **evildallas** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:55 am

Like I've tried to say this isn't about whether the Clippers try to trade for Calderon, it isn't. This is about offering a free agent cold, hard cash and putting Toronto on the spot. What would the dollar figure be? Does Toronto match? Toronto is hoping to scare off bidders like we are with the Joshes by saying they which match all offers. Will they match the max?

EZ · Post #8 » by EZ » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:18 am

evildallas wrote:Like I've tried to say this isn't about whether the Clippers try to trade for Calderon, it isn't. This is about offering a free agent cold, hard cash and putting Toronto on the spot. What would the dollar figure be? Does Toronto match? Toronto is hoping to scare off bidders like we are with the Joshes by saying they which match all offers. Will they match the max?

I think Toronto will match any offer...they've pretty much decided to go with Jose and move TJ. Calderon should not command more than $10 mil, but who knows? A desperate team in need of a PG with financial flexibility just might.

Post #9 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:19 am

The Clippers would need to offer Jose a starting salary of roughly 11 million per year for Toronto to not match. Not going to happen! Toronto can cut ties with TJ Ford (8.5 million) to free up money and the same goes for some of the role players that would be very serviceable to other teams. TJ still being young, injury prone or not, Jose can walk, and the team can continue to focus on finding a big.

So, a contract similar to the one Steve Nash received from Phoenix that ends at 13 million.

killbuckner · Post #10 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:33 am

First of all I am assuming that Brand isn't going to opt out- I just don't see that as likely plus there is no way the clips would renounce his rights. Past that they still have a caphold for Maggette and won't have any caproom unless they renounce him. At that point they would have 10 million in room. But even with a big offer like that, I still think the raptors would match.

Spragga · Post #11 » by **Spragga** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:27 pm

I think the raps and Jose already have a deal in place. No way BC would let him walk for nothing so the raps would have to be getting a very good piece in a S&T to let him leave. Basically Jose will stay even if they have to overpay and just trade Tj for whatever they can get.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/stor ... tball/home

Meanwhile another strong indication that Jose Calderon will return as the Raptors starting point guard came last week when he fired his US-based agent.

"I received the termination letter last Thursday," George Bass, who has represented Calderon for eight years, said in an interview.

Instead Calderon will be represented solely by his Spanish-based agent Paco Lopez Costell.

Speculation in NBA circles is that Calderon, confident that he was going to resign with the Raptors, felt he didn't need an NBA agent to stir up competing offers from rival clubs. Presuming his two agents were splitting the standard four-per-cent fee most players pay their representatives, firing Bass could save Calderon $800,000 on a $40-million contract.

SendEm · Post #12 » by **SendEm** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:45 pm

Calderon is a very overrated player. He's a terrific fantasy basketball player but he gets abused on the basketball court and comes up short. Other talented PG's lick their chops when playing against Calderon.

Retrovision · Post #13 » by **Retrovision** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:09 pm

I just want to see the Clippers do well, why not target Monta Ellis though?

NWO4Life · Post #14 » by **NWO4Life** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:10 pm

evildallas wrote:I saw an article saying the Clippers will target Jose Calderon. This makes sense to me as Calderon's stats are very similar to Steve Nash's prior to his explosion within the Phoenix system.

Just FYI, You can say the same about Steve Blake's stats too.

Post #15 » by **dms269** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:06 pm

Retrovision wrote:I just want to see the Clippers do well, why not target Monta Ellis though?

Well they do have Mobley and maggette at SG, and Ellis isn't a pg. I guess they could go after Ellis then try a Ford for Maggette deal and have a teamof: Ford/Ellis/Thornton/???/Kaman

HoopsGuru25 · Post #16 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:49 pm

I didn't realize the Clippers could have capspace w/o Brand opting out. If that was the case then I don't see the Raptors willing to pay the max for Calderon. Colaneglo would just punk another under-matched GM into giving him a decent young player and two future draft picks and keep Ford as the starting pg.

conleyorbust · Post #17 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:06 pm

NWO4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Just FYI, You can say the same about Steve Blake's stats too.

Nash was a 3rd teamer before he went to PHX, he was putting up more points than Jose but on lower efficiency.

Retrovision · Post #18 » by **Retrovision** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:02 am

uga_dawgs24 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well they do have Mobley and maggette at SG, and Ellis isn't a pg. I guess they could go after Ellis then try a Ford for Maggette deal and have a teamof: Ford/Ellis/Thornton/???/Kaman

you can throw a draft pick in the ??? spot and have a playoff roster in the EASTERN Conference.