I know we do not have a pick this year and I think we should just add a couple of fa
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Resist trading in to this draft
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I might be proven wrong later on. Right now I don't see this being a deep draft once you get past the 5-7 picks. I was for trading Marvin but only if it is for a top-7 pick.
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I disagree with your assessment on this draft. I agree that it seems very shallow of superstar potential, but I think it is very deep on solid pro potential.
Scenarios that I would trade Marvin for a pick . . .
1) The pick is high enough that the player it yields has a higher likelihood of becoming a superstar.
Well we aren't getting into the top 2 and while Randolph may become a superstar down the road he is very raw. The rest you can take case by case and I'm not sure you'll get a consensus but OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Russell Westbrook, and Joe Alexander are likely in the category for me. Of that group only OJ Mayo is sure enough that I would probably make the trade and he probably won't fall far enough for that to happen.
2) You get a reasonable vet(s) and get a draft pick at the same time. This was my logic behind a Portland, Charlotte, or Milwaukee deal. You snag a 1st rounder and a player like James Jones, Matt Carroll, or Charlie Villanueva at the same time. The pick is used to balance the roster while the player brings something the team needs like stretching the court. It's uncertain what possible deals are out there, but this is something that could only be consummated on draft night when you know who is available at the pick so you can fully evaluate the effect on the team. If we could work a bigger deal with Portland I would be overjoyed, but the likelihood is slim.
Outside of that there may be other ways to get a pick other than trading Marvin.
1) Buying a second rounder or late first. Happens almost every year. Not sure ASG would open the checkbooks though.
2) Trade a future pick to get a pick. This particularly might work in the 2nd round where Portland and Seattle have a plethora of picks. If they hold on to all of them they will either be drafting international and hoping to stash or fully realizing that they probably waste most of the picks because of number of guaranteed contracts. Some teams who aren't enamored with their options in the 1st will trade out to a future draft to avoid the guaranteed contract as well. If the player available can help now or is needed now, we have to weigh the risk against the quicker payback and the financial implications.
I'd prefer to pick up at least 1 draft pick (late 1st or early 2nd) using future picks as the credit to add a low cost talent upgrade/skill set to the bench. Bill Walker is still my target, but there should be several guys in that range worth the risk. If Walker is gone, this could still be a budget way to add a 3rd pg or some beef for the front line.
Scenarios that I would trade Marvin for a pick . . .
1) The pick is high enough that the player it yields has a higher likelihood of becoming a superstar.
Well we aren't getting into the top 2 and while Randolph may become a superstar down the road he is very raw. The rest you can take case by case and I'm not sure you'll get a consensus but OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Russell Westbrook, and Joe Alexander are likely in the category for me. Of that group only OJ Mayo is sure enough that I would probably make the trade and he probably won't fall far enough for that to happen.
2) You get a reasonable vet(s) and get a draft pick at the same time. This was my logic behind a Portland, Charlotte, or Milwaukee deal. You snag a 1st rounder and a player like James Jones, Matt Carroll, or Charlie Villanueva at the same time. The pick is used to balance the roster while the player brings something the team needs like stretching the court. It's uncertain what possible deals are out there, but this is something that could only be consummated on draft night when you know who is available at the pick so you can fully evaluate the effect on the team. If we could work a bigger deal with Portland I would be overjoyed, but the likelihood is slim.
Outside of that there may be other ways to get a pick other than trading Marvin.
1) Buying a second rounder or late first. Happens almost every year. Not sure ASG would open the checkbooks though.
2) Trade a future pick to get a pick. This particularly might work in the 2nd round where Portland and Seattle have a plethora of picks. If they hold on to all of them they will either be drafting international and hoping to stash or fully realizing that they probably waste most of the picks because of number of guaranteed contracts. Some teams who aren't enamored with their options in the 1st will trade out to a future draft to avoid the guaranteed contract as well. If the player available can help now or is needed now, we have to weigh the risk against the quicker payback and the financial implications.
I'd prefer to pick up at least 1 draft pick (late 1st or early 2nd) using future picks as the credit to add a low cost talent upgrade/skill set to the bench. Bill Walker is still my target, but there should be several guys in that range worth the risk. If Walker is gone, this could still be a budget way to add a 3rd pg or some beef for the front line.
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i don't know, Westbrook could be a nice sleeper!
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I'd like for us to stay away from any guarantee contracts so that means we need to seek out our second round options. Maybe make a trade if Sund and our scouts really feel strongly about a player we can groom or one that stays overseas for the short-term.
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I would hope that the Hawks resist trading into the draft if the GM has picked 3 straight centers in a row and the top two center prospects(Lopez who is 7' feet tall shot 46% vs college front courts and Jordan who struggled to stay in a college teams rotation)have major bust potential.
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If we had the cash I wouldn't midn the possibility of buying some picks, I'm just not a fan of trading any of our current players for picks.
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With some of the withdrawals from the process the second round isn't looking as exciting. In the latest RealGM mock draft Bill Walker is projected going at #22. The higher his stock rises, the more risky the pick. I still think Bill Walker will become a fine NBA #2, but his recovery from injury means the higher he goes the more risk is involved because you are passing on healthy talented player instead or you have to spend too much to get the higher pick.
Players like Walker and Mario Chalmers are now projected 22 and 20 respectively. The only real way for us to get into that range will be to risk a future #1 to do so. When you start thinking in those terms it could cost you a better talent down the road if you have some injuries and wind up in the lottery again.
I could find some 2nd round bargains if we already had picks, but the cost of acquisition adds to the risk of a pick and makes me think that draft night will pass uneventfully.
Players like Walker and Mario Chalmers are now projected 22 and 20 respectively. The only real way for us to get into that range will be to risk a future #1 to do so. When you start thinking in those terms it could cost you a better talent down the road if you have some injuries and wind up in the lottery again.
I could find some 2nd round bargains if we already had picks, but the cost of acquisition adds to the risk of a pick and makes me think that draft night will pass uneventfully.
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