Hawks-Bucks-Clippers

saloonyk8 · Post #1 » by **saloonyk8** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:17 pm

Michael Redd is on the block and the Clippers are interested. This trade works in the espn trade checker but I'm sure it can be adjusted with draft picks or other players.

Hawks receive: Kaman, CV, Mobley
Cuttino Mobley
Salary: $8,350,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 12.8 REB: 3.6 AST: 2.6 PER: 11.56
Charlie Villanueva
Salary: $2,715,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.7 REB: 6.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 14.99
Chris Kaman
Salary: $8,600,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 15.7 REB: 12.7 AST: 1.9 PER: 17.62

Clippers receive: Redd
Michael Redd
Salary: $14,520,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 22.7 REB: 4.3 AST: 3.4 PER: 18.90

Bucks receive: Marvin, Bibby, 2009 Clippers 1st rounder
Marvin Williams
Salary: $4,466,040 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 14.8 REB: 5.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 14.53
Mike Bibby
Salary: $13,983,603 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.9 REB: 3.3 AST: 6.0 PER: 14.55

HoopsGuru25 · Post #2 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:31 pm

That trade is very lopsided in the Hawks favor. Kaman is coming off a very good year and he is the Clippers only center worthy of being in an NBA rotation.

Post #3 » by **dms269** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:55 pm

I'm actually not a fan of it. Kaman is good but I have worries about Smith at the 3. If he can't produce from there then the Hawks would be in trouble. Charlie V doesn't give the Hawks anything new. I don't like the idea of losing Bibby and not gaining a PG in return. Having only Law at the point is very worrisome. Also taking on Mobley is horrible.

ATLfan · Post #4 » by **ATLfan** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:06 pm

Mobley is a downgrade from Marvin and trading Bibby leaves us with one point guard unless Speedy is healthy.

parson · Post #5 » by **parson** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:17 am

I'm a huge Marvin fan but even I'm in disbelief that this is all we're offering in this trade.

Marvin/Bibby for Kaman/Villanueva/Mobley?

Villanueva's weak and injury-prone and Mobley duplicates Bibby but without the accuracy, but KAMAN? He's a valuable commodity: the good 7-footer. He rebounds, he defends, he blocks shots and his offense is above-average.

We're not getting Kaman for less than Joe.

evildallas · Post #6 » by **evildallas** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:07 am

Horrible trade for Clippers. We would be getting a steal on talent, but would wind up with a horribly flawed roster that's needs another move or two to get it straightened out.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #7 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:27 am

This trade does leave the Hawks with some flaws(although you need help if you don't think this is a clear upgrade in talent). I'm not that high on Kaman because his defense has been mediocre before this year. I'm not that sure he's going to repeat last years numbers but it's pretty clear that his value is very high right now though. You could definitely get TJ Ford in return for him w/o question. You do that trade and find a way to get Pryzbilla or Nene for Villanueva/Zaza and you have a team that can win 45 although I'm not sure the original trade is even possible.

Ford/Law
Mobley/Chil
Joe/Chil
Smith/Solo
Horford/Pryzbilla(or Nene)

Post #8 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:47 am

Chris Kaman's productive on the court, has a friendly contract for the numbers he puts up, and yet I feel your just throwing him to the side. Redd or not, I don't like the trade for the Clippers, and it's one that doesn't improve the team. I see no reason why they should bother trading for Redd ($17,040,000 and $18,300,000) and the next two years of his contract if they give up Chris.

Rip2137 · Post #9 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:06 am

I don't know if I will ever understand the fasination with Chris Kaman now.

He has shown himself to not be a liability on the court exactly one half of one season in his NBA career.

He takes all his shots within 4 feet and shoots 48 percent(AKA: Not good). He can't pass out of the post. In fact he is a horrible passer out the post. He also brings the offense to a screeching halt because he is so SLOW on the block. He is a god aweful defender that had inflated block numbers and for some reason people think that equals defense. he doesn't play the pick and roll, quick bigs go around him like he is standing still, bigger bigs back him down like he is a SF. Yes he rebounded well in this half season he played this year, but he has averaged under 8 rebounds quite a few times in his career. He is not a good rebounder. This season was a aberration for his career.

Kaman is a perfect example of fools gold when looking at stats. You see 15-12-3 and think "wow this guy must be good. Then you watch him play. he no doubt looked better this year, but seriously, He isn't that good. His best year was two years ago and that is probably the best you could expect from that guy. (12-9-1.5)

HoopsGuru25 · Post #10 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:15 am

It doesn't matter if you think Kaman sucks or not. The fact is that his trade value is very high because he's coming off a very good season. I can't believe people are actually considering turning down Mobley/Kaman/Villanueva for Marvin and Bibby.

saloonyk8 · Post #11 » by **saloonyk8** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:48 am

I knew it was lopsided from the beginning. It was tough to make the numbers work out. In the end, I saw Mobley as a bad contract for the Clippers. They trade for Kaman for Redd and get rid of a bad deal. As for the Bucks, losing CV in this deal would be pretty idiotic, but again, I was trying to make the money work.

For Hawks, I'm a bit surprised by people not liking the trade. Yes, it would be good to get a top flight PG, but Mobley is a veteran SG off the bench and could be a valuable player. CV is still young and if Childress walks he could step in at 3/4. A huge upgrade for the bench there. Kaman would be the gem for us in this deal. Apparently his skills are in question, but for the haters out there, name 5 CENTERS you'd take in front of him. I don't think you can, especially considering his contract. And his numbers last year were without Brand and not in a contract year for what it's worth.

No this deal would never happen unless Clippers wanted Redd/Brand desperately. But I think Bucks would need or not give up CV. I actually think (although the money doesn't work) if we could net Kaman/Mobley that'd be great return on Bibby/Marvin. Clearly people here would still need Chris Paul thrown in to give that a thumbs up though.

Rip2137 · Post #12 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:24 pm

Hoops, the reason I don't like that deal is because Cuttino Mobley is the best guy in the deal overall.

For all the talk about Marvins inconsistancy, he doesn't come close to the inconsistancy that Charlie V has shown. I already voiced my displeasure with Kaman. He will give you some nice looking numbers, but I honestly think the team will be worse offensively and defensively with him on the floor.

Mobley can shoot, is a underrated defender, and has a underrated post game for a guard. But I don't think giving up a huge expiring and a 21 year old productive SF for a mediocre center that played well for half a season, a chronic underachiever and a very good role player. I would just think we can do better than that when we are offering a quality prospect and caproom to someone.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #13 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:04 pm

There is no rule saying you have to keep the players. It's about building assets. This trade would leave the Hawks with a very unbalanced team...however Kaman's value is very high right now and would likely bring back the Hawks a very good player if they were to trade him. Like I said... Kaman for Ford and Villanueva/Zaza for Pryzbilla=fixes two major weaknesses and leaves the Hawks with a 45 plus win team.