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Post#1 » by D21 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:15 pm

Update June 29th 2016 : After Jeff Teague trade
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Update August 26rd : Scott signed
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Update August 23rd : Mack signed
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Update July 12th : adding Bazemore estimation


Numbers for the 2014 Free Agency :

2014-15 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $63.065 M
Luxury Tax threshold : $76.829 M
MLE : $5.305 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.278 M for tax paying team, $2.732 M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.077 M
"Max contract" first year :
0-6 years : $14,746,000 / 7-9 years : $17,695,200 / 10+ years : $20,644,400

* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague
06,253,521 - Kyle Korver
$4,150,000 - Thabo Sefolosha (can be signed with MLE if stay over the cap)
02,442,455 - DeMarre Carroll
$2,000,000 - Kent Bazemore (+/- $45,000) (can be signed with Room-MLE or BAE if stay over the cap)
01,690,680 - Dennis Schröder
01,546,100 - Adreian Payne (as long as he's not signed for up to 120% of this amount)
01,312,920 - John Jenkins
01,000,000 - John Salmons' buyout

Total : 49,895,676 for 10 players

If ATL renounce own Free Agents, exceptions and unguaranteed contracts (Antic and Muscala), renounce Q.O. to Scott and Mack, and sign Bazemore with Room-MLE (making 9 players under contract until is signed) :
need to add $507,336 for each incomplete roster charge : 47,895,676 + ( 3 x 507,336 ) = 49,417,684

"Instant" max room of $13,647,316 (if used on one contract, or a bit more if used on several contracts since one incomplete roster charge is deleted after each new contract signed).

If ATL keep Q.O. to Scott and Mack, it adds :
01,115,243 - Mike Scott
01,148,163 - Shelvin Mack

It would make a total of 47,895,676 + ( 1 x 507,336 ) + 1,115,243 + 1,148,163 = 50,666,418 for 11 players (still with Bazemore being signed with Room-MLE once all the room is used)

"Instant" max room of $12,398,582

* Under unguaranteed contract (have cap holds, but deleted if renounced) :
01,250,000 - Pero Antic (unguaranteed if waived before July 15th)
00,816,482 - Mike Muscala


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Update July 11th : after Salmons' release and Salary Cap numbers confirmation


Numbers for the 2014 Free Agency :

2014-15 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $63.065 M
Luxury Tax threshold : $76.829 M
MLE : $5.305 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.278 M for tax paying team, $2.732 M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.077 M
"Max contract" first year should be :
0-6 years : $14,746,000 / 7-9 years : $17,695,200 / 10+ years : $20,644,400

* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague
06,253,521 - Kyle Korver
$3,850,000 - Thabo Sefolosha
02,442,455 - DeMarre Carroll
01,690,680 - Dennis Schröder
01,546,100 - Adreian Payne (as long as he's not signed for up to 120% of this amount)
01,312,920 - John Jenkins
01,000,000 - waived John Salmons

Total : 47,595,676 for 9 players

If we renounce all Free Agents, exceptions and unguaranteed contract (Antic and Muscala) and renounce Q.O. to Scott and Mack,
we need to add $507,336 for each roster charge : 47,595,676 + ( 3 x 507,336 ) = 49,117,684

"Instant" max room of $13,947,316 (if used on one contract, or a bit more if we use it on several contracts since one roster charge is deleted after each new contract signed).


As long as we keep the Q.O. to Scott and Mack, it adds :
01,115,243 - Mike Scott
01,148,163 - Shelvin Mack

It would make a total of 47,595,676 + ( 1 x 507,336 ) + 1,115,243 + 1,148,163 = 50,366,418 for 11 players.

"Instant" max room of $12,698,582

* Under unguaranteed contract (have cap holds, but deleted if renounced) :
01,250,000 - Pero Antic (unguaranteed if waived before July 15th)
00,816,482 - Mike Muscala


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Update : after Sefolosha agreement

12M/4years , his contract will be between this two maximum values :
- $3 827 751,20 $4 000 000,00 $4 172 248,80
- $4 188 481,68 $4 000 000,00 $3 811 518,32

Numbers for the 2014 Free Agency :

2014-15 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $63.2 M (estimated)
Luxury Tax threshold : $77 M (estimated)
MLE : $5.305 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.278 M for tax paying team, $2.732 M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.077 M
"Max contract" first year should be : 0-6 years : $14.8M / 7-9 years : $17.8M / 10+ years : $20.7M

If Salmons is waived :

* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague
06,253,521 - Kyle Korver
04,000,000 - Thabo Sefolosha (+/- 0.19M on first year)
02,442,455 - DeMarre Carroll
01,690,680 - Dennis Schröder
01,546,100 - Adreian Payne (as long as he's not signed for up to 120% of this amount)
01,312,920 - John Jenkins
01,000,000 - waived John Salmons (7,000,000 if not waived by July 10th)

Total : 47,745,676 for 9 players

If we renounce all Free Agents, exceptions and unguaranteed contract (Antic and Muscala) and renounce Q.O. to Scott and Mack,
we need to add $507,336 for each roster charge : 47,745,676 + ( 3 x 507,336 ) = 49,267,684

"Instant" max room of $13,932,316 (if used on one contract, or a bit more if we use it on several contracts since one roster charge is deleted after each new contract signed).


As long as we keep the Q.O. to Scott and Mack, it adds :
01,115,243 - Mike Scott
01,148,163 - Shelvin Mack

It would make a total of 47,745,676 + ( 1 x 507,336 ) + 1,115,243 + 1,148,163 = 50,516,418 for 11 players.

"Instant" max room of $12,683,582

* Under unguaranteed contract (have cap holds, but deleted if renounced) :
01,250,000 - Pero Antic (unguaranteed if waived before July 15th)
00,816,482 - Mike Muscala


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Update : after Williams-Nogueira/Salmons trade

We get 6M room more (4.5M from the difference between Williams and Salmons' buyout and 1.5M from Bebe's cap hold)

Salaries and estimated Cap Holds before the start of 2014 Free Agency :

2014-15 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $63.2 M (estimated)
Luxury Tax threshold : $77 M (estimated)
MLE : $5.305 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.278 M for tax paying team, $2.732 M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.077 M

"Max contract" first year should be :
0-6 years : $14.8M
7-9 years : $17.8M
10+ years : $20.7M


* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague
06,253,521 - Kyle Korver
02,442,455 - DeMarre Carroll
01,690,680 - Dennis Schröder
01,546,100 - Adreian Payne (as long as he's not signed for up to 120% of this amount)
01,312,920 - John Jenkins
01,000,000 - waived John Salmons (7,000,000 if not waived by July 10th)

Total : 43,745,676 for 8 players

If we renounce all Free Agents, exceptions and unguaranteed contract (Antic and Muscala) and renounce Q.O. to Scott and Mack,
we need to add $507,336 for each roster charge : 43,745,676 + ( 4 x 507,336 ) = 45,775,020

"Instant" max room of $17,424,980 (if used on one contract, or a bit more if we use it on several contracts since one roster charge is deleted after each new contract signed).


As long as we keep the Q.O. to Scott and Mack, it adds :
01,115,243 - Mike Scott
01,148,163 - Shelvin Mack
01,950,000 - Gustavo Ayon (won't receive a Q.O. based on last informations)

It would make a total of 43,745,676 + ( 2 x 507,336 ) + 1,115,243 + 1,148,163 = 47,023,754 for 10 players.

"Instant" max room of $16,176,246

* Under unguaranteed contract (have cap holds, but deleted if renounced) :
01,250,000 - Pero Antic (unguaranteed if waived before July 15th)
00,816,482 - Mike Muscala


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Salaries and estimated Cap Holds before the 2014 NBA Draft :

2014-15 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $63.2 M (estimated)
Luxury Tax threshold : $77 M (estimated)
MLE : $5.305 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.278 M for tax paying team, $2.732 M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.077 M

* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague
06,253,521 - Kyle Korver
05,450,000 - Louis Williams
02,442,455 - DeMarre Carroll
01,690,680 - Dennis Schröder
01,312,920 - John Jenkins

Total : 46,649,576 for 8 players

If we don't keep any Pick, renounce all Free Agents, Unguaranteed contract and the exceptions,
we need to add $507,336 for each roster charge : 46,649,576 + ( 4 x 507,336 ) = 48,678,920

"Instant" max room of $14,521,080 (if used on one contract, or a bit more if we use it on several contracts since one roster charge is deleted after each new contract signed).


* Picks salary:
01,468,900 - Lucas Nogueira (deleted if letter confirming he won't sign for this coming season)
01,546,100 - 15th pick in 2014 Draft (1,855,320 if signed for the 120% allowed)

Total with picks cap hold: 49,664,576 for 10 players

49,664,576 + ( 2 x 507,336 ) = 50,679,248
"Instant" max room of $12,520,752 if we sign Picks but don't keep unguaranteed contracts


* Under unguaranteed contract:
01,250,000 - Pero Antic (unguaranteed if waived before July 15th)
00,816,482 - Mike Muscala

Total with Picks and Unguaranteed contracts : 51,731,058 for 12 players
"Instant" max room of $11,468,942


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Final amounts for 2013-14

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
02,557,545 - DeMarre Carroll (maximum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% decreasing contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,399,507 - Antawn Jamison (884,293 regarding taxe purpose)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,894,464 - Cartier Martin (831,317 regarding taxe purpose)
00,884,293 - Shelvin Mack
00,788,872 - Mike Scott
00,141,287 - Mike Muscala
00,057,668 - James Nunnally
00,053,888 - Dexter Pittman (52,017 regarding taxe purpose)
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 58,849,653
(58,298,256 regarding taxe purpose)

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Update : Nogueira cap hold deleted

Since Nogueira will play in Spain, his cap hold can be deleted, and replace by a roster charge if there are less than 12 players or cap holds.
Having 12 players without him (with Carroll being signed), no need to add a roster charge, so we can add 1.4M of room

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
02,557,545 - DeMarre Carroll (maximum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% decreasing contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 54,658,508
Max cap room left for one player : $4M


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Update : End of Oden chase - signing of Carroll

Ferry has certainly estimated that there is no longer a player he would offer more up to 5M, so no need to wait and keep the maximum of room possible, and decided to sign Carroll now.
It should show that we were ready to offer more than 2.5M to Oden, because if it was to offer him less than that, then Carroll could be signed before Oden's decision

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
02,557,545 - DeMarre Carroll (maximum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% decreasing contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 56,077,708
Max cap room left for one player : $2.6M


!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more.

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Update : Added Ayon contract

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 53,520,163
Max cap room left for one player : $5.15M



2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (without adding roster charge since we have at least 12 players or cap holds)


!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more. It would give :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,490,180 - 1 "incomplete roster charge"

Total : 52,591,143
Max cap room left for one player : $6.08M


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Update : Added Antic contract

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,490,180 - 1 "incomplete roster charge" (without counting Carroll)

Total : 52,510,343
Max cap room left for one player : $6.17M



2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (1 roster charge without him, or no charge if signed)


!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more. It would give :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,980,360 - 2 "incomplete roster charge" : 2 x 490,180 (without counting Carroll)

Total : 51,581,323
Max cap room left for one player : $7.10M
(or 7.6M on two players since we would delete one roster charge after signing the first player)

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Update : Added Elton Brand contract and Korver decreasing contract

Korver contract is decreasing, so the value are :
$6 760 563,38 $6 253 521,13 $5 746 478,87 $5 239 436,62

It changes our room left, more than the Milsap and Teague contracts being flat instead of increasing :

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,980,360 - 2 "incomplete roster charge" : 2 x 490,180 (without counting Carroll)

Total : 51,700,623
Max cap room left for one player : $6.98M


2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (2 roster charge without him, or 1 if signed)

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2013-14 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $58.679M
Luxury Tax threshold : $71.748M
MLE : $5.15 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.183M for tax paying team, $2.652M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.016 M


Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (17th pick 01,617,840 if signed for 120% of 1,348,200)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
05,393,258 - Kyle Korver (minimum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% increasing contract)
09,290,954 - 9,500,000 if flat - Paul Milsap (minimum for a first year of a $19M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)
01,960,720 - 4 "incomplete roster charge" : 4 x 490,180 (without Carroll)

02,444,988 - 2,500,000 if flat - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)
Note that Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value but add one roster charge :

Max cap room : 39,204,532 This leaves $19.5M

This is important because we would be able to send a $13.5M offer to Pekovic without renouncing Teague $6M cap hold until matched)


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Salaries and estimated Cap Holds starting 2013 Free Agency :

2013-14 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : $58.5 M (estimated)
Luxury Tax threshold : $71 M (estimated)
MLE : $5.15 M for non-tax paying teams, $3.183M for tax paying team, $2.652M if team with cap room
BAE : 2.016 M

* Under guaranteed contract:
12,000,000 - Al Horford
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
Total : 19,792,200

* Picks salary:
01,348,200 - 17th pick (1,617,840 if signed for 120%)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%) (following trade to get 16th pick)

Total with picks cap hold: 22,559,600

If all free agents are renounced to work with cap space, we must add 6 "incomplete roster charge" : 6 x 490,180 = 2,941,080

Minimum with Horford, Williams, Jenkins, picks 17 and 16 cap hold, and roster charges = 25,500,680

Teague Q.O. makes him a Restricted F.A.
His Q.O. being lower than his 250% of last season salary, his F.A. amount is still $6,082,692

Minimum with Teague, Horford, Williams, Jenkins, picks 17 and 16 and roster charges = 31,093,192 (22,459,600 + 6,082,692 + 5x490,180)

* Under unguaranteed contract:
02,240,450 - DeShawn Stevenson
00,788,872 - Mike Scott
00,884,293 - Shelvin Mack ($100,000 if waived after 8/15/13)

* Cap Holds of Free Agents:
16,402,500 - Josh Smith (Maximum salary, 9 years veteran)
12,750,000 - Devin Harris (150% of previous salary)
09,500,000 - Kyle Korver (190% of previous salary)
07,873,125 - Zaza Pachulia (150% of previous salary)
06,665,000 - Johan Petro (150% of previous salary)
06,082,692 - Jeff Teague (250% of previous salary)
05,510,000 - Dahntay Jones (190% of previous salary)

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End of the 2012-13 season:

* Under contract:
13,200,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
08,500,000 - Devin Harris (expiring)
05,248,750 - Zaza Pachulia (expiring)
05,000,000 - Louis Williams (signed for 3yrs/$15M with NTP-MLE)
05,000,000 - Kyle Korver (expiring, with TPE of Johnson trade, 500,000 guaranteed)
03,500,000 - Johan Petro (expiring)
02,900,000 - Dahntay Jones (expiring)
02,433,077 - Jeff Teague
02,240,450 - DeShawn Stevenson (signed for 3yrs/$6.9M, only 1st year guaranteed)
EDIT : adjusted to match the TPE of 5M, needed to trade for Korver
01,500,000 - Jordan Farmar (4,250,000 bought out for 1,500,000)
01,204,560 - John Jenkins (max of 120% of 1,003,800 as 23rd pick)
00,962,195 - Ivan Johnson (signed for Qualifying Offer)
00,915,852 - Anthony Tolliver (4 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Mike Scott (rookie minimum salary)
00,420,000 - Jordan Williams (762,195 bought out for 420,000)

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Beginning of the 2012-13 season:

2012-13 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : at least $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : at least $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

Free agents: 2012 and 2013

* Under contract:
13,200,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
08,500,000 - Devin Harris (expiring)
05,248,750 - Zaza Pachulia (expiring)
05,000,000 - Louis Williams (signed for 3yrs/$15M with NTP-MLE)
05,000,000 - Kyle Korver (expiring, with TPE of Johnson trade, 500,000 guaranteed)
04,000,000 - Anthony Morrow (expiring)
03,500,000 - Johan Petro (expiring)
02,433,077 - Jeff Teague
02,240,450 - DeShawn Stevenson (signed for 3yrs/$6.9M, only 1st year guaranteed)
EDIT : adjusted to match the TPE of 5M, needed to trade for Korver
01,500,000 - Jordan Farmar (4,250,000 bought out for 1,500,000)
01,204,560 - John Jenkins (max of 120% of 1,003,800 as 23rd pick)
00,962,195 - Ivan Johnson (signed for Qualifying Offer)
00,915,852 - Anthony Tolliver (4 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Mike Scott (rookie minimum salary)
00,420,000 - Jordan Williams (762,195 bought out for 420,000)

Total : 66,598,488 for 14 players (and 2 bought-out),
so more than $3.5M under the Tax threshold.
We still have the BAE of 1.9M and the Green TPE of 1.375M to use

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After signing Jenkins, adding Williams, trading for Korver and sending Green in a S&T:

Salaries and estimated Cap Holds in 2012 Free Agency :

2012-13 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : at least $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : at least $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

* Under contract:
13,200,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
08,500,000 - Devin Harris (expiring)
05,248,750 - Zaza Pachulia (expiring)
05,000,000 - Louis Williams (signed for 3yrs/$15M with NTP-MLE)
05,000,000 - Kyle Korver (expiring, with TPE of Johnson trade)
04,000,000 - Anthony Morrow (expiring)
03,500,000 - Johan Petro (expiring)
02,433,077 - Jeff Teague
02,240,450 - DeShawn Stevenson (signed for 3yrs/$6.9M, only 1st year guaranteed)
EDIT : adjusted to match the TPE of 5M, needed to trade for Korver
01,500,000 - Jordan Farmar (4,250,000 bought out for 1,500,000)
01,204,560 - John Jenkins (max of 120% of 1,003,800 as 23rd pick)
00,762,195 - Jordan Williams

Total : 64,589,032 for 12 players,
so more than $5.5M under the Tax threshold.
We still have the BAE of 1.9M and the Green TPE of 1.375M to use

At this moment, we need to add Ivan Johnson QO for 966,000

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After the Johnson & Williams trades, and Farmar buy out :

Salaries and estimated Cap Holds in 2012 Free Agency :

2012-13 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : at least $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : at least $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

* Under contract:
13,200,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
08,500,000 - Devin Harris (expiring)
05,248,750 - Zaza Pachulia (expiring)
04,000,000 - Anthony Morrow (expiring)
03,500,000 - Johan Petro (expiring)
02,433,077 - Jeff Teague
02,300,000 - DeShawn Stevenson (signed for 3yrs/$6.9M, only 1st year guaranteed)
01,500,000 - Jordan Farmar (4,250,000 bought out for 1,500,000)
01,204,560 - John Jenkins (max of 120% of 1,003,800 as 23rd pick, but count for 1,003,800 until is signed)
00,762,195 - Jordan Williams

Total : 54,447,822 (certainly 54,648,582 once Jenkins will be signed) for 10 players

Add two roster charges of $473,604 and we are at 55,395,030, so 2,648,970 under the cap if we renounce all exceptions and bird rights on our Free Agents.

At this moment, we need to add Ivan Johnson QO for 966,000

The have the NTP-MLE (Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception) and the trade of Joe Johnson gives us a Trade Exception of 19,752,645 - 14,812,195 = $4,940,450
EDIT : should be 5M since it was used to get Korver, meaning Stevenson should get an extra $59,550 on first year.

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On July 1st :

Salaries and estimated Cap Holds starting 2012 Free Agency :

2012-13 salary cap numbers :
Salary Cap : at least $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : at least $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

Free agents: 2012 and 2013

* Under contract:
19,752,645 - Joe Johnson
13,200,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
08,287,500 - Marvin Williams
05,248,750 - Zaza Pachulia (expiring)
02,433,077 - Jeff Teague
01,204,560 - John Jenkins (max of 120% of 1,003,800 as 23rd pick, but count for 1,003,800 until is signed)

Total : 61,925,772 (certainly 62,126,532 once Jenkins will be signed) for 7 players

We also have a lot of cap holds for all the F.A. playing the last two seasons.
We have the MLE and the BAE available


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Last move : adding Dampier should put us over the Tax threshold :

2011-12 numbers :
Salary Cap : $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

Estimated Salaries and Cap Holds of the 2011-12 season :

* Under contract:
18,038,573 - Joe Johnson (max for 7 to 9 years veteran)
12,400,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
07,500,000 - Marvin Williams
08,000,000 - Kirk Hinrich
04,750,050 - Zaza Pachulia
01,579,920 - Jeff Teague
01,229,255 - Jason Collins (9 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Tracy McGrady (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Vladimir Radmanovic (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Jerry Stackhouse (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,223,166 - Willie Green (8 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,146,337 - Janero Pargo (7 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Ivan Johnson
00,473,604 - Donald Sloan (waived Jan. 26th, 141,317 for Tax purpose)
00,828,756 - Eric Dampier (prorated 15 years veteran, 523,658 for tax purpose, coming from a prorated 854,389)

Total : 15 guaranteed contracts for 72,397,398 and one cut for 141,317, so a total of 73,367,471 but only 70,633,406 for Tax purpose

We are almost $333,000 over the Tax threshold.


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BEFORE ADDING DAMPIER :

2011-12 should be set on 2010-11 numbers :
Salary Cap : $58.044 M
Luxury Tax threshold : $70.307 M
MLE : $5 M for non-tax paying teams, $3M for tax paying team, $2.5M if team with cap room
BAE : back to 1.9 M

Estimated Salaries and Cap Holds before the start of the 2011-12 season :

* Under contract:
18,038,573 - Joe Johnson (max for 7 to 9 years veteran)
12,400,000 - Josh Smith
12,000,000 - Al Horford
07,500,000 - Marvin Williams
08,000,000 - Kirk Hinrich
04,750,050 - Zaza Pachulia
01,579,920 - Jeff Teague
01,229,255 - Jason Collins (9 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Tracy McGrady (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Vladimir Radmanovic (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,352,181 - Jerry Stackhouse (10 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,223,166 - Willie Green (8 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,146,337 - Janero Pargo (7 years veteran, 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Ivan Johnson
00,473,604 - Donald Sloan (waived Jan. 26th, 141,317 for Tax purpose)

Total : 14 guaranteed contracts for 72,397,398 and one cut for 141,317, so a total of 72,538,715 but only 70,109,748 for Tax purpose

We are almost $200,000 under the Tax threshold.

Cut players during pre-season:
00,788,872 - Pape Sy
00,788,872 - Magnum Rolle
00,473,604 - Keith Benson
00,473,604 - Brad Wanamaker

Cap holds on Hawks free agents until renounced :
Etan Thomas : 854,389
Hilton Armstrong : 854,389
Josh Powell : 854,389
Randolph Morris : 854,389

We have the MLE and the BAE available


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2010-11 numbers are set :
Salary Cap : $58.044 million
Luxury Tax threshold : $70.307 million
MLE : $5.765 million
BAE : $2.08 million

Max contracts are :
13,603,750 (0 to 6 years)
16,324,500 (7 to 9 years)
19,045,250 (10 and more years)

Salaries for 2010-11:

16,324,500 - Joe Johnson (max for 7 to 9 years veteran)
11,700,000 - Josh Smith
10,080,000 - Crawford
05,444,857 - Al Horford
07,262,500 - Marvin Williams (6,712,500 guaranted + 550,000 of likely bonus)
04,251,250 - Zaza Pachulia
01,476,840 - Jeff Teague
01,223,166 - Etan Thomas
01,223,166 - Jason Collins (only counts at 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,992,680 - Josh Powell (only counts at 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Pape Sy
00,824,151 - Damien Wilkins (only counts at 708,962 for tax purpose)
09,000,000 - Kirk Hinrich (9,100,000 if ATL reach the second round)
00,915,852 - Hilton Armstrong (only counts at 854,389 for tax purpose)

Total : 71,192,566 but only 70,140,069 for Tax purpose (70,240,069 if reach second round).

We have the MLE and the BAE available
and we are just under the Luxury Tax threshold

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Before the Bibby-Hinrich trade :

2010-11 numbers are set :
Salary Cap : $58.044 million
Luxury Tax threshold : $70.307 million
MLE : $5.765 million
BAE : $2.08 million

Max contracts are :
13,603,750 (0 to 6 years)
16,324,500 (7 to 9 years)
19,045,250 (10 and more years)

Salaries for 2010-11 :

16,324,500 - Joe Johnson (max for 7 to 9 years veteran)
11,700,000 - Josh Smith
10,080,000 - Crawford
05,444,857 - Al Horford
02,500,000 - Maurice Evans
07,262,500 - Marvin Williams (6,712,500 guaranteed + 550,000 of likely bonus)
05,764,767 - Mike Bibby (5,564,767 guaranteed + 200,000 of likely bonus)
04,251,250 - Zaza Pachulia
01,476,840 - Jeff Teague
01,223,166 - Etan Thomas
01,223,166 - Jason Collins (only counts at 854,389 for tax purpose)
01,042,320 - Jordan Crawford (120% of 868,600 as 27th pick)
00,992,680 - Josh Powell (only counts at 854,389 for tax purpose)
00,473,604 - Pape Sy
00,824,151 - Damien Wilkins (only counts at 658,382 for tax purpose)

Total : 70,583,801 but only 69,542,187 for Tax purpose.

We have the MLE and the BAE available
and we are a little bit less than 1M under the Luxury Tax threshold, maybe less because Josh Smith has 335,000 of unlikely bonus he can earn, and Marvin has 550,000


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( before the Childress trade )
Salaries and estimated Cap Holds for 2010 summer:

* Under contract:
16,324,500 - Joe Johnson (max for 7 to 9 years veteran)
11,700,000 - Josh Smith
10,080,000 - Crawford
05,444,857 - Al Horford
02,500,000 - Maurice Evans
06,712,500 - Marvin Williams
05,564,767 - Mike Bibby
04,251,250 - Zaza Pachulia
01,476,840 - Jeff Teague
01,042,320 - Jordan Crawford (120% of 868,600 as 27th pick)

Total : 65,097,034

We also have:
- Childress cap hold : 10,894,353 (not counting against the cap)

We have the MLE and the BAE available
and we are a little bit more than $5M under the Luxury Tax threshold, with three roster spot to add.
Two at the minimum, and it would leave almost 3.5M before paying tax... but owners said they will spend to win this time :roll:


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Official: Salary Cap for the 2009-10 season will be $57.7 million. The tax level for the 2009-10 season has been set at $69.92 million. MLE is set at $5.854 million.


Estimated Salaries for 2009-10 Season:

* Under contract :
14,976,754 - Joe Johnson
10,800,000 - Josh Smith
09,350,000 - Jamal Crawford
$7,500,000 - Marvin Williams
06,217,617 - Bibby
04,750,000 - Pachulia
04,307,640 - Al Horford
02,500,000 - Maurice Evans
$1,373,880 - Teague (max allowed for the 19th pick: 120% of 1,144,900)
$1,306,455 - Joe Smith (10+ years veteran minimum, 825,497 for Tax purpose)
$1,181,803 - Jason Collins (8 years veteran minimum, 825,497 for Tax purpose)
00,855,189 - Randolph Morris
00,736,420 - Othello Hunter (316,227 for Tax purpose)
00,825,497 - Mario West (446,740 for Tax purpose)
blue = new contracts

Total : 66,617,024
65,055,041 for Tax purpose (Joe Smith and Collins count for a two-years veteran, and West and Hunter are on prorated contracts).

Joe Smith and Jason Collins would only count for a 2-year veteran for cap and tax purpose = $825,497
In this case, total fpr tax purpose would be 64,282,074 ,
and we have now 5.64M of room under the tax, with at least 1 player to add.


* Free Agents :
(count with their cap holds, until renounced or signed; if signed, count for the first year salary of the new contract)

- Restricted :
10,894,937 - Josh Childress (300% of his last salary, $3,631,646 was lower than the MLE)
01,000,497 - West
Early Bird rights after 2 years in ATL, but this previous salary is at the minimum salary, so cap hold is the greatest of:
- Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league
- Amount of his qualifying offer, being the greatest of 125% of his last salary (711,517) = 889,396 or Minimum contract + $175,000 = 825,497 + 175,000 = 1,000,497

- Unrestricted :
01,800,000 - Murray (Non-Bird, 120% of his last salary, 1,500,000)
00,825,497 - Gardner (minimum salary, so cap hold is Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league)
00,825,497 - Hunter (minimum salary, so cap hold is same than Gardner)


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* before the Crawford trade:
(and possible Q.O. offered to Jones and West)

Keep in mind that if you want to use cap space to sign other F.A., you have to renounce all the exceptions (MLE, BEA) and rights of your own F.A.
Murray is also a special case: we have no right on him, so we have to use cap space, or exception to sign him.
Said we keep everybody, we can sign him starting at 1.9M with BAE, or starting at more using part of the MLE, so if we want to keep him for more than 1.9M, we will have less than 4M left on the MLE.

Said we renounce all, we have 42M + 4x457,488 (minimum salary cap hold) for each spot.
Salary cap is supposed to be at 57M for next year), so we would have almost 13M, but without Bibby, Zaza, Marvin, Childress and Murray !!!
Can we get better than their value (with or without keeping one or more of these players) with only $13M ? I don't think so.

IMO, we have to keep all rights, and re-sign or sign-&-trade these players (and trade Speedy), continue to be over the cap, and use the MLE to keep Murray and add someone else with the remaining part of the MLE, or leave him go and use all the MLE to add another player.
But this is only my POV


Salaries and estimated Cap Holds for 2009 summer:

* Under contract:
14,976,754 - Joe Johnson
10,800,000 - Josh Smith
05,209,454 - Speedy Claxton
04,307,640 - Al Horford
02,500,000 - Maurice Evans
02,216,160 - Acie Law
00,855,189 - Randolph Morris
$1,144,900 - 19th pick

Total: 42,010,097

If rights of any F.A. are renounced, a minimum cap hold of $457,488 is added for each free spot (12 players roster).
With these 8 players under contract, it would add 4 "minimum salary cap hold".

* Free Agents :
(count with their cap holds, until renounced or signed; if signed, count for the first year salary of the new contract)

- Restricted :
10,894,937 - Josh Childress (300% of his last salary, $3,631,646 was lower than the MLE)
nearly 13,500,000 - Marvin Williams (250% of his 08-09 salary, $5,636,142 being higher than the MLE)

Marvin cap hold should be 14,090,355, but as it can't exceed the Max salary the player can signed, which was 13,758,000 in 2008-09 for a 4 years veteran, and would likely be almost 14.5M in 2009-10 without the economic problem, but it should be lower this summer (max salary are also based on the projected BRI, like the salary cap).
Marvin estimated cap hold: 13,500,000

- Unrestricted :
19,000,000 - Bibby (estimated) (Bird rights, 150% of his last salary, 14,983,603 being over the MLE, but can't exceed the 10+ years max salary for 2009-10 that should be almost $19M)
08,000,000 - Pachulia (Bird rights, 200% of last salary, 4,000,000 being lower than the MLE)
01,800,000 - Murray (Non-Bird, 120% of his last salary, 1,500,000)
00,825,497 or 01,030,189 if gets a Q.O. - Jones (3 years in ATL, but his previous salary is at the minimum salary, so cap hold is Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league)
00,825,497 or 1,000,497 if gets a Q.O. - West (2 years in ATL, but his previous salary is at the minimum salary, so cap hold is Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league)
00,825,497 - Gardner (minimum salary, so cap hold is Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league)
00,825,497 - Hunter (minimum salary, so cap hold is Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league)

If Jones and West get a Q.O. , their cap hold will be the greatest of:
- Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league
- Amount of his qualifying offer, being the greatest of 125% of his last salary or Minimum contract + $175,000

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Numbers to keep in mind for the 2008-09 season:
Salary Cap = $58.680M , MLE = $5.585M , BAE = $1.91M , Tax Threshold = $71.150M

Estimated salaries for 2008/09 season:

14,983,603 - Mike Bibby
(expiring)
14,232,566 - Joe Johnson
10,000,000 - Josh Smith
05,757,818 - Speedy Claxton
(2 years left)
05,636,142 - Marvin Williams
04,026,720 - Al Horford
04,000,000 - Zaza Pachulia
(expiring)
02,500,000 - Maurice Evans
02,071,680 - Acie Law
01,500,000 - Ronald Murray
00,797,581 - Solomon Jones
(expiring)
00,797,581 - Randolph Morris (minimum contract with 2 Years in NBA)
00,711,517 - Mario West (minimum contract with 1 Year in NBA)
00,711,517 - Thomas Gardner (minimum contract with 1 Year in NBA, partially guaranteed)
00,442,114 - Othello Hunter (minimum contract with 0 Year in NBA, partially guaranteed)

Total salaries:
$68,168,839

We have the remaining part of the MLE, about 1.5M (5.585 - 2.5 for Evans - 1.5 for Murray) and the BAE (1.91M).
Tax Threshold is set at $71.15M, so $2,981,161 higher than the estimated total.
So it should be possible to sign a player starting at 1.5M or 1.91M and being under the tax threshold.


Childress:
He's gone, but his cap hold of 10,894,347 will remain until his rights are renounced.
Renouncing his rights doesn't help to get cap space for now, ad until we know what to do with expiring contracts of Zaza and Bibby, it makes no sense to renounce.

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Previous Salaries and cap holds:

* before July 2008:

Expiring contracts (rights can be renounced, but then signed with cap room or minimum salary contract):
0,427,163 Mario West

0,040,439 Jeremy Richardson
0,783,000 Salim Stoudamire

Under contract:
15,818,917 - Mike Bibby
14,232,566 - Joe Johnson
05,757,818 - Speedy Claxton
05,636,142 - Marvin Williams
04,026,720 - Al Horford
04,000,000 - Zaza Pachulia
02,071,680 - Acie Law
00,797,581 - Solomon Jones
(non guaranteed year, can be waived and removed from the count)

So $52,341,424 without the Joshes cap holds and exceptions.
With Joshes cap holds:

52,341,424
+ 6,730,629 Josh Smith
(3 x this year $2,243,543)
+10,894,347 Josh Childress (3 x this year $3,631,449)

Total: $69,966,400 with the cap being $58.68M next season.

+ MLE ($5.585M) and the Bi-annual exception ($1.91M for next season), unless ATL decides to renounce.

So, this time, with only Josh Smith cap holds, we are over the cap (unless other trades come). No cap room, but the previous cap room was almost the amount of the MLE, so it doesn't change anything.
Basically, we still have the MLE to get players this summer.


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* before the Bibby trade:

Expiring contracts:
3,500,000 - Tyronn Lue
3,250,000 - Lorenzen Wright
2,860,000 - Anthony Johnson
0,427,163 - Mario West

0,783,000 - Salim Stoudamire

Under contract:
14,232,566 - Joe Johnson
05,757,818 - Speedy Claxton
05,636,142 - Marvin Williams
04,026,700 - Al Horford
04,000,000 - Zaza Pachulia
03,395,760 - Shelden Williams
02,071,680 - Acie Law
00,797,581 - Solomon Jones
(non guaranteed year, can be waived and removed from the count)

So $41,484,247 without the Joshes cap holds and exceptions.
With Joshes cap holds:

41,484,247
+ 6,730,629 Josh Smith
(3 x this year $2,243,543)
+10,894,347 Josh Childress (3 x this year $3,631,449)

Total: $59,109,223 with the cap being $58.68M next season.

+ a Minimum Salary cap hold for the empty roster spot or the salary of the 08' 2nd round pick)
+ MLE ($5.585M) and the Bi-annual exception ($1.91M for next season), unless ATL decides to renounce.

So basically, two options if everybody stays here:
1:Signing extensions and possibility of using the MLE and BAE.
2:Renouncing of MLE and BAE, signing Childress first which gives some room to maybe sign a guy under $4M/y, then signing Smith extension.
Stoudamire cap holds can be removed if ATL renounces to him (while keeping the possibility to re-sign him later at the Minimum Salary or Bi-annual exception).

So as we would have to renounce of MLE to clear some cap room in the second option, and giving the fact that this room would not be greater than the MLE, we can say that the best option is the 1.

That means:
* we have no cap room, and signing FA would be via using the MLE and BAE.
* If management want to keep both Joshes and not going over the cap, they won't trade any of our expiring contracts, unless it's for other expiring contracts.

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Re: Hawks Salaries Information 

Post#2 » by evildallas » Wed Jul 9, 2008 4:18 am

Cap is set at 58.68M and luxury tax threshold at 71.15M for 2008-2009.
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Post#3 » by HMFFL » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:02 pm

2009 & 2010 free agents:

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Post#4 » by NWO4Life » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:06 pm

What about trading the rights to Childress who would fit well into the system they want to run in NY for Curry? I saw the Curry trade rumors moments ago.. Just dont have a good enough grasp on the cap information above to tell... I am aware that Curry make a TON to much money but perhaps NY can swallow some of that just to get rid of him Like the "fish" did on the Mike Hampton deal.
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Post#5 » by D21 » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:42 pm

You can't trade the rights to keep him as UFA. If he was under contract, it would be possible to trade him, but until he signs a contract, you can just keep his rights, or renounce to it.
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Post#6 » by killbuckner » Wed May 13, 2009 4:13 pm

D21- great work as always on this. I think its probably helpful to go ahead and add the caphold for the 19th pick on there. $1,144,900
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Post#7 » by D21 » Thu May 14, 2009 8:07 pm

Thanks KB, and you're right, I forgot to add the pick salary.

It's updated now.
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: May 14th) 

Post#8 » by hawksfanatic » Fri May 15, 2009 2:48 pm

If we renounce everyone, then we will not have ~$15 million in cap space. Assuming your numbers are right, you are failing to add in the amount that each unfilled roster slot costs us. That is the rookie minimum salary for each unfilled spot below 12. So that would be 4*[rookie minimum] you need to add in. And also if we were to waive Randolph the addition cap space we would receive is 855,189 - [rookie minimum].
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Post#9 » by D21 » Fri May 15, 2009 10:58 pm

hawksfanatic wrote:If we renounce everyone, then we will not have ~$15 million in cap space. Assuming your numbers are right, you are failing to add in the amount that each unfilled roster slot costs us. That is the rookie minimum salary for each unfilled spot below 12. So that would be 4*[rookie minimum] you need to add in.


I was thinking about what kind of 12 players roster we can have using the cap space, and see the difference with keeping/sign-&-trade our F.A.
I saw it like filling the roster with the cap room, and not signing one guy at 15M, then fill with minimum contracts, which I agree is not possible since there would be 3 other minimum cap holds.

That's why I told 15M of cap room, because it's what we can use on 4 (or 5) players and go from 8 (or 7) players under contract (depending on the situation of Randolph Morris).
We have to had these cap holds, but each one disappear as soon as we sign a new player (LarryCoon was OK with that), so at the end, if we keep Morris and are at 8 players under contract, we can sign one guy for 3.75M (and have only 3 minimum cap holds remaining), then another 3.75M contract (so only 2 cap holds), another one at 3.75M making a 11 players roster for 53.25M. And at this point, we have to add one minimum cap hold to be at 12 until we sign one player, and I have to admit that at this point, I am not sure if we can use 3.75M (said the salary cap is at 57M), canceling the cap hold when signing the contract, or only 3.25M because the cap hold is canceled after the signing (since we have to end up with a 13 players roster at the beginning of the season).

Not an excuse to forget to talk about the roster spots, but I thought we could use all the cap room (or almost all the cap room except one minimum cap hold).

hawksfanatic wrote:And also if we were to waive Randolph the addition cap space we would receive is 855,189 - [rookie minimum].


It's what I did, isn't it ? (promise you I didn't edit this part :) )
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: May 14th) 

Post#10 » by hawksfanatic » Sat May 16, 2009 3:45 pm

D21 wrote:We have to had these cap holds, but each one disappear as soon as we sign a new player (LarryCoon was OK with that)


The key point is that they are not simultaneous move. After you sign someone then the cap hold disappears. So if we have 11 players under contract with $9 mil under the cap, then we can spend {$9 mil - [rookie minimum]}. We cannot offer $9 mil because we still have the caphold. But if the situation were that we had 12 players under contract with $9 mil under the cap then yes we could offer $9 mil since there are no roster holds.

Its a tricky situation but what we know for certain is that the Hawks cannot have $15 million in cap space this offseason at any time with the currently constructed team (also assuming the salary cap is roughly around what you suggest). Making some ridiculous trades could allow us to get that amount but it seems highly unlikely.

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hawksfanatic wrote:And also if we were to waive Randolph the addition cap space we would receive is 855,189 - [rookie minimum].


It's what I did, isn't it ? (promise you I didn't edit this part :) )


No, what you have under there is the Hawks total salary less $855,189. For the real amount you should less the Hawks salary by {$855,189 - [rookie minimum]}.

I put [rookie minimum] in because I am not exactly sure what the rookie minimum is set at this year. But once you figure out the value you just need to replace wherever I put [rookie minimum] with the actual value. A high approximation would be $500,000 but a few years ago I remember seeing $423,000 as the value.
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: May 14th) 

Post#11 » by hawksfanatic » Sat May 16, 2009 4:14 pm

Also another small mistake I saw was Mario West. He has been under contract for 2 seasons with us. That qualifies him for early bird status unless at some point in time we waived him but I do not remember hearing anything about that. In that case though, Mario's caphold is 130% of his previous salary. So either Mario's caphold is off or Gardner and Hunter's capholds are.
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: May 14th) 

Post#12 » by hawksfanatic » Sat May 16, 2009 5:30 pm

D21 wrote:And as we have to add 4 (or 5 if Morris is waived) minimum cap holds of $457,588 if we renounce all rights and exceptions to use cap room, it also means that we can't sign a players starting at more than 13.62M (15M - 3x457,588) (enough for most of the F.A. though).


You need to multiply the rookie amount by 4, not 3. To use realgm as a source, you can look at the thread here:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=872459

The roster charge doesn't go away until after signing. You are treating this move as a simultaneous one, but it is not. It is a process, you are bound to the roster charges and construct your contract around that. After the contract has been signed, then you take away a roster charge and are set with new restrictions on the next contract you can offer.
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: May 14th) 

Post#13 » by D21 » Sun May 17, 2009 8:27 pm

hawksfanatic wrote:Also another small mistake I saw was Mario West. He has been under contract for 2 seasons with us. That qualifies him for early bird status unless at some point in time we waived him but I do not remember hearing anything about that. In that case though, Mario's caphold is 130% of his previous salary. So either Mario's caphold is off or Gardner and Hunter's capholds are.


As a two years veteran not coming a rookie scale contract, he's supposed to count for 130% of his previous salary.
But he's also on a "minimum salary contract", and as there's a line saying that any F.A. with a previous salary being a minimum salary has a cap hold of "Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league", which is the minimum salary of a two years veteran, I decided to use this one until we know if ATL will extend the Q.O. and not renounce him.

I don't think Mario West cap hold can be 130% of his previous salary because it would mean he was not under a minimum salary.
So it should be the Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league if ATL doesn't extend a Q.O., or if the Q.O. if extended it should be the Amount of his qualifying offer, being the greatest of "125% of his last salary" (711,517) = 889,396 or "Minimum contract + $175,000" = 825,497 + 175,000 = 1,000,497

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D21 wrote:And as we have to add 4 (or 5 if Morris is waived) minimum cap holds of $457,588 if we renounce all rights and exceptions to use cap room, it also means that we can't sign a players starting at more than 13.62M (15M - 3x457,588) (enough for most of the F.A. though).


You need to multiply the rookie amount by 4, not 3. To use realgm as a source, you can look at the thread here:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=872459

The roster charge doesn't go away until after signing. You are treating this move as a simultaneous one, but it is not. It is a process, you are bound to the roster charges and construct your contract around that. After the contract has been signed, then you take away a roster charge and are set with new restrictions on the next contract you can offer.


I am OK with that especially if you want to sign one player with all the cap room you can use. If you have 8 guaranteed contracts, you have 4 minimum cap holds, so if you have 15M left, you really have 15M - [4x457,588].
But if you want to use the cap room to sign 4 guys, the problem will only be on the 4th contract because the 3 other cap holds won't be there anymore.
Regarding the thread, LarryCoon and FGump seems to think in the same way, with a contract taking the place of a cap holds, but not both at the same time. I understand that it could mean that the cap hold counts when the contract is signed, but it would mean that you can't get up to the salary cap if the cap hold is still counting against the cap when the contract is signed.

I will edit it though, even if I still did not see any proof of a cap holds still counting at the moment the contract is signed.
Anyway, with the way I think about it, I should use "up to 15M" and not 15M because if we want to sign one big F.A. first, there will be at least 3 cap holds, or 4 as you said.

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D21 wrote:
hawksfanatic wrote:And also if we were to waive Randolph the addition cap space we would receive is 855,189 - [rookie minimum].


It's what I did, isn't it ?


No, what you have under there is the Hawks total salary less $855,189. For the real amount you should less the Hawks salary by {$855,189 - [rookie minimum]}.


I have read too fast and I did not see the mathematical operation.
So that's right that if we removed on player, there will be one more cap hold, but it still the same problem of adding all the "spot cap holds" and get the "minimum cap room" value that we can use, or not adding the spot cap holds, and get the "maximum cap room" value.
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Salary info for offseason with cap holds 

Post#14 » by evildallas » Tue May 19, 2009 6:59 am

I'm just posting this info so it is handy and to crush the dreams of everyone's off-season plans that start with pursuit of a free agent.
From Hoopsworld:

Joe Johnson $14,976,754
Josh Smith $10,800,000
Speedy Claxton $5,209,454
Al Horford $4,307,640
Maurice Evans $2,500,000
Acie Law IV $2,216,160
Randolph Morris $855,189
TOTAL $40,865,197

Marvin Williams Q-$7,355,165

Free Agent Cap Holds 2009-2010
Mike Bibby MAX 10+ ($19,261,200)
Marvin Williams MAX 4 ($13,758,000)
Josh Childress $10,894,937
Zaza Pachulia $8,000,000
Ronald Murray $1,800,000
Solomon Jones $1,036,855
Thomas Gardner $853,820
Mario West $853,820
Othello Hunter $530,537

That's adds up to $56,989,169 in cap holds which should demonstrate that without dealing with our own free agents we aren't in a position to pursue anyone except using our exceptions (MLE and Biannual). If you start renouncing players you still have minimum salary holds on each roster slot under 15. However, given the sizable amounts of the 4 largest holds we'd have to renounce a lot of players to become a factor in free agency.

Rookie Scale
#19 $1,144,900 (max $1,373,880)

Cap values and MLE do not get set until early July, all are expected to drop this year (estimates of how much vary greatly).
Last year's values were:
Luxury Tax: $71.15M
Cap: 58.68M
MLE: 5.585M
Bi-annual: 1.91M

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Re: Salary info for offseason with cap holds 

Post#15 » by tbhawksfan » Tue May 19, 2009 8:13 am

I find the we can't make any moves argument silly. Renonce or trade any or all of the non-contributing players and we can make meg-moves.

Why carry Chils $11M cap hold? Only one reason; cheap owners.

his rights should have either been traded or recinded the day he signed in Europe. I'd say he has no plans to come back to the Hawks, so why keep him as an unpaying cap hit?
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Re: Salary info for offseason with cap holds 

Post#16 » by D21 » Tue May 19, 2009 9:41 am

Tbhawksfan, it doesn't change anything to keep Childress rights.

First, you can't trade his rights. You have to sign him, or sign-&-trade him, or release him, but no trade of his rights.

Then, the other cap holds are so high that there is no cap room unless you renounce all the rights and exceptions. Unless we are sure to renounce the other rights and use cap room to sign one or several F.A., there is absolutely no need to release Childress.

evildallas wrote:...
Free Agent Cap Holds 2009-2010
Mike Bibby MAX 10+ ($19,261,200)
Marvin Williams MAX 4 ($13,758,000)
...


These value are for 2008-09.
For 2009-10, it will certainly be a little bit lower than that for both since the Max contracts depend on projected BRI, and it's supposed to lower than this year (Salary Cap is at this moment supposed to be $57M for next year).
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Re: Salary info for offseason with cap holds 

Post#17 » by killbuckner » Tue May 19, 2009 11:59 am

Dallas- you could have saved yourself a lot of work by just getting this info from the salary sticky that D21 put together. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=815375

The rights to Childress don't cost the Hawks anything until this offseason where they will have to decide whether they want to offer him the 1 year QO. I don't think that Childress would turn down all the money he is making in greece to come back on a 1 year contract for under the MLE but becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2010 has to be at least a little attractive to him. To call the Hawks owners cheap for keeping his rights is just ignorant of the rules.

For the Hawks to have real caproom to work with it would mean you would have to basically start with a roster of

Acie/Speedy
Joe
Evans
Smith/(19th pick)
Horford/Randolph

And then have around 17 million total to fill out the rest of the roster with free agents. Thats a starting PG, SF, backup PG, Backup SG, and backup Center. I think the Hawks would be far better off not renouncing their free agents and being able to exceed the cap by using the MLE and BAE.

I think its important to remind people that the Hawks have no bird rights on Murray. The Hawks could offer him a contract starting at 1.8 million dollars using non-bird rights but if they want to give him more than that then they have to use the MLE or real caproom in order to do so.
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Re: Salary info for offseason with cap holds 

Post#18 » by evildallas » Tue May 19, 2009 6:51 pm

^^^ I realized that today. HMFFL, sorry for starting another thread. Feel free to combine the threads.

Also, I didn't say we can't make any moves. I said we can't make free agent moves without dealing with our own first. That could include renouncing.

D21, as usual you are correct about those not being the exact new figures (which aren't calculated and released until July). Those are current year numbers and are the maximum expected values for those holds. The sheer size of those 2 holds is such that the minor reduction will not create any room to make moves without dealing with their rights first.
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Re: Hawks Salaries Information (last update: July 2nd) 

Post#19 » by D21 » Fri Jul 2, 2010 9:50 am

Updated for this summer salaries.
Will add the exact Salary cap and exceptions when we know the exact values.
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