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1 yr. veteran minimum around $926,000. Another option off the boards.

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This is particularly damning if we lose Childress to Greece as Barnes was the top remaining replacement candidate.

It just continues. We continue to miss out on cheap and effective role players. All I can do is laugh now.

it's not like we have the spots to just give these guys, we only have what 1 spot availible. we can't get pissed just because some other team decides to pick someone up.

My only point is that by not being active with our own free agents we are losing out on the possibility to land replacements. I'm not trying to say we could have had this player, it's just the pool is dwindling if we don't resign our guys.

that's becuase we aren't going to lose our FA's. what team has lost a RFA this year? none. every team is going through this, chicago hasn't lost a FA, Philly hasn't lost a RFA, golden state hasn't lost a RFA even denver hasn't lost jr. smith. charlotte hasn't lost a RFA

GM's talk to each other and i bet that they have known all along that they weren't going to be going after RFA's. they aren't going to overpay for third tier stars when the big guns are only a year away. face it, these players just caught the shaft and are going to have to take the contracts that are given to them.

Barnes wouldn't have signed that cheaply here.

lunarblues wrote:that's becuase we aren't going to lose our FA's. what team has lost a RFA this year? none. every team is going through this, chicago hasn't lost a FA, Philly hasn't lost a RFA, golden state hasn't lost a RFA even denver hasn't lost jr. smith. charlotte hasn't lost a RFA

GM's talk to each other and i bet that they have known all along that they weren't going to be going after RFA's. they aren't going to overpay for third tier stars when the big guns are only a year away. face it, these players just caught the shaft and are going to have to take the contracts that are given to them.

A few minor corrections:
Restricted free agent changing a team: Rony Turiaf
Restricted free agent probably changing a team: Kelenna Azubuike

Restricted free agents heading overseas: Juan Carlos Navarro, Carlos Delfino
Restricted free agents probably heading overseas: Nenad Krstic

I agree that the top RFAs haven't changed teams, but lower and middle guys are subject to movement. We obviously differ in what we believe will happen with Childress.

BTW, I don't think it is a bad thing to lose Childress although I would have preferred a S&T deal to get something for him. Seeing guys like Matt Barnes signed for the minimum show that Childress at 6-7M isn't a bargain unless you have a big role reserved for him.

ronny turiaf left the lakers one of the most stacked teams in the league, and the azubukie left golden state after they picked up corey maggette. if he staying with the clippers we wouldn't be having this discussion. as for the others, they were already from europe and were going to be at the end of the bench if not under it. (with the exception of navarro who just didn't want to play for the grizzlies after gasol left.

besides, none of them were close to the caliber of childress who was getting starters minutes for the team. 30+ min a game is pretty big to me.

Hawks, that was my first thought when I read about Barnes........oh well. How many FAs is that that someone here thought would fill a vital role here?

mrhonline, since you say Barnes would not have signed for the minimum, how much would it have taken? It appears to me all he wanted was a guaranteed contract.

Evil, i have to disagree on the potential of losing Childress. Losing Chills kills any flexibility this team would have............who fills his slot? At one time, I agreed with that statement, but based on the available players available, who do we have as options? The untested J-Rich? We won't get the same results.
Point is, we wouldn't be in this position if the Stagnates had any motivation to sign our own FAs long-term. We should be looking at filling slots 9-12 like Sund and Woody have been emphasizing.
To me, saying that is telling any player considering us that you will have to settle for 9-12 inconsistent minutes. This management group is not about winning; can't we just go ahead and admit it? The Hawks are one major injury from floundering to last year's Miami record. There is no depth, and it doesn't appear there will be any depth.

Somewhere I read where a Hawks fan said he would be excited if we were competing for the Eastern Conference championship? Are you kidding me?

Can we post a sticky on all the Hawks' offseason transactions? It will be one of the shortest list in the league..........hire a former GM who had been demoted, resign a .300 coach, 2 coaches leave/2 coaches get hired......we work out Kwame and Randolph.....did I miss anything? No draft, no FAs, and the summer league is here to see how Acie, Speedy & J-Rich spend their summer with a roster where there will be maybe one addition from the SL roster.

Its getting too easy to point out the obvious in this city about the state of the Thrashers and the Hawks.

HMFFL wrote:Matt Barnes? We don't need anymore shooters!

Is that the color of sarcasm?

td00 wrote:Evil, i have to disagree on the potential of losing Childress. Losing Chills kills any flexibility this team would have............who fills his slot? At one time, I agreed with that statement, but based on the available players available, who do we have as options? The untested J-Rich? We won't get the same results.

I agree that it definitely would hurt short-term. I just wasn't sure about locking in for an estimated 5 yr/35M in him unless he was going to always get 30 minutes a night. Even then that locks the team in with respect to skill set and salary. I've long believed that at that rate of pay he should start and Marvin should be traded. If Marvin is the long term solution then we should have a less expensive backup. I feel Childress commands a large salary because he is backing up three positions and racking up starters minutes. If we had more depth that wouldn't necessarily be the case.

evildallas wrote:

HMFFL wrote:Matt Barnes? We don't need anymore shooters!

Is that the color of sarcasm?

Green normally is the color for it.

It's pretty frustrating to see the ASG continue to pass on shooters that would be very serviceable to the franchise.

Well, Josh Smith probably feel offended if they sign somebody since they said for the umpteenth time that he's their #1 priority.

Master8492 wrote:Well, Josh Smith probably feel offended if they sign somebody since they said for the umpteenth time that he's their #1 priority.

I could really careless. I want to see my franchise win and not deal with the players crying over the franchise trying to improve. It's just pathetic if we held talks with Josh Childress due to Josh Smith.

I think the ASG would have dealt with either player first depending on which one received an offer sheet. As neither received an offer sheet it was probably which would accept their respective offer that would get done first. Signing Josh Childress first for approximately the MLE would not have negatively impacted signing Josh Smith as long as he's paid more. I do believe that negotiations with other players probably have taken a back seat because of a fear of exceeding the luxury tax or being put in a position where a team could use the luxury tax as a leverage point against them on one of the Joshes.

Of course it is hard to say what has gone on because of limited information being made available on the negotiations.