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I was wondering what yall thought. I think hes ridicoulosly good and idk he might be top 10 but i have no clue what do yall think?

No particular order Top 10 (when healthy):

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Yao Ming
Dwyane Wade
Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Carlos Boozer

Those are the top ten players in the league IMO. Joe Johnson is elite, but he's not as elite as these players. I'm not hatin', I'm just trying to be realistic. Joe Johnson is still one of those rare players that you can build a team around.

Joe Johnson is in the top 15. Top 3 SG behind Kobe and Wade IMO.

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Yao Ming
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Bosh

Guys who is great, but isn't in the top 15 IMO: Dirk, Kidd, Baron Davis, Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, T-Mac, Redd, Arenas, Melo, and Tony Parker. There not in the top 15 due to huge lack of something like D (Melo), Attitude (Arenas, though not bad, just full of it), still young (Roy, Jefferson), or getting older (Kidd). The only guy on the list of non-15 players that doesn't lack something is Tony Parker, but the reason he isn't top 15 IMO is that he is with Duncan. Would Joe Johnson be a Top 5 player if Duncan was on his team?

My top overrated player is: Paul Pierce

JJ is probably top 20. I'd take Al Jefferson over Boozer, Brand, Bosh, and even J. Kidd at this point anytime. I think if you look at it by position, JJ is probably top4 or top5. He's very good at almost everything he brings to the table.

He's in the second- or third-tier of stars.

u think hell get better? and if he does how much better can he be??

dirk>>boozer

a year or two ago Joe was ranked on the same level as Michael Redd, Kevin Martin, Deng, Manu Ginobili, Josh Howard. Joe has clearly passed them and gone to the next level. ever since the Celtic series, Joe has risen alittle, but not nessesarly to the same level as MacGrady or Carmelo, but if Joe can sustain that level he showed in the Celtics series into this season then he can easily go into that next level with Carmelo and MacGrady. i think Joe is roughly on the same level as Caron and Gilbert.

SneakerKing33 wrote:u think hell get better? and if he does how much better can he be??

I think it depends on Mike Bibby staying healthy. If Mike can stay healthy, Joe's game will improve, because Mike is probably the one guy that can take pressure off Joe. Over time if Al is moved to the 4 I believe he could free Joe up by taking on a double team. I just don't see Josh Smith ever accomplishing this as long as his shot is streaky.

at the two
(right now
and excluding a.i)

1.kobe (best in the game pound 4 pound)
2.wade (when healthy)
3.t-mac (ditto)
3a.johnson (no weaknesses; many strengths)
4.vince (under-achiever despite gaudy #'s)
5.j-rich (gets better every year maybe the most athletic on the list)
6.ginobili (team mentality keeps him out of the top 3 imho)
7.b-roy (so far, so good...)
8.ray allen (see: this years championship)
9.rip hamilton (game has become a bit unbridled of late; mid range not as
automatic as years past)
10.j-craw (not efficient but will take and make the big shot; reggie miller with a handle.
feel free to attack me on that...and yeah im a knick fan)
11.mike redd/miller (better pure scorers as opposed to pure shooters than given credit for;
miller hits the boards well and is an underated orchestrator and team player. redd can carry a team offensively; best catch and shoot guy in the league. both are poor defenders, henceforth....their respective rankings)

mr. johnson?
top 20 player overall in the league? without question
top 15? i'd say right on the fence

^hahahah no. jamal crawford is NOT reggie miller with handles.

none PG perimeter player ranking

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Iverson

MacGrady
Carter
Carmelo
Artest
Pierce

Caron
Gilbert
Joe
Richardson
Prince

Iggy
Deng
G Wallace
Hamilton
Maggette
Roy
Monta

Granger
Marion
Gay
Martin
J Howard

Ray Allen
Redd
Battier
Peja
Manu

Gordon
S Jackson
J Crawford
Hedo
Mayo
Durrant

Jefferson
Bowen
Mike Miller
Thorton
R Davis
T Young
Raja

list is not only in order but also divided into tiers. i'll change positions or add players if you make a good enough argument.

Wow Harry, that list is terrible.

wow- what did Manu do to piss you off like that?

If you strictly go by 2007-8 Season

Kobe Bryant LAL 19.579
Lebron James CLE 19.505
Chris Paul NOH 18.921
Allen Iverson DEN 17.604
Dwight Howard ORL 16.295
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 15.455
Baron Davis GSW 15.076
Amare Stoudemire PHO 14.604
Tim Duncan SAS 14.598
Paul Pierce BOS 14.540
Deron Williams UTA 14.535
Andre Iguodala PHI 14.339
David West NOH 14.053
Carlos Boozer UTA 13.572
Antawn Jamison WAS 13.571
Joe Johnson ATL 13.380
Carmelo Anthony DEN 13.159
Steve Nash PHO 13.153
Lamar Odom LAL 12.851
Kevin Garnett BOS 12.733
Hidayet Turkoglu ORL 12.605
Monta Ellis GSW 12.129
Jason Richardson CHaR 12.096
Vince Carter NJN 12.093
Chauncey Billups DET 12.060
Rashard Lewis ORL 11.950
Tracy McGrady HOU 11.889
Chris Bosh TOR 11.883
Al Jefferson MIN 11.782
Rudy Gay MEM 11.774
Manu Ginoboli SAS 11.753
Richard Jefferson NJN 11.723
Josh Smith ATL 11.623

The truth is the emergence of AL Horford really helped Atlanta get those few extra wins that the foundation of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith provided. If your talking about court impact alone then it includes both offense and defense this is the ranking

Chris Paul NOH 152.7 1.084 165.5 34.49
Lebron James CLE 164.8 0.994 163.8 34.12
Kobe Bryant LAL 149.4 1.078 161.0 33.55
Yao Ming HOU 134.9 1.077 145.3 30.28
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 135.8 1.069 145.2 30.25
Tim Duncan SAS 132.8 1.083 143.9 29.97
Kevin Garnett BOS 132.0 1.081 142.6 29.70
Amare Stoudemire PHO 132.8 1.068 141.8 29.55
Manu Ginoboli SAS 123.0 1.083 133.2 27.75
Dwight Howard ORL 131.4 1.013 133.1 27.72
Paul Pierce BOS 122.1 1.081 131.9 27.49
Allen Iverson DEN 127.7 1.026 131.0 27.30
David West NOH 118.3 1.084 128.2 26.71
Tracy McGrady HOU 118.0 1.077 127.1 26.47
Carlos Boozer UTA 117.9 1.043 122.9 25.61
Steve Nash PHO 115.0 1.068 122.8 25.59
Chris Bosh TOR 122.5 0.998 122.2 25.47
Chauncey Billups DET 116.2 1.049 122.0 25.41
Deron Williams UTA 116.7 1.043 121.7 25.35
Baron Davis GSW 116.1 1.045 121.3 25.27
Pau Gasol (LaL) LAL 112.3 1.078 121.0 25.21
Shawn Marion(Phx) PHO 112.3 1.068 120.0 24.99
Carmelo Anthony DEN 116.2 1.026 119.2 24.84
Lamar Odom LAL 106.5 1.078 114.8 23.92
Tony Parker SAS 105.8 1.083 114.6 23.88
Jason Kidd(Dal) DAL 105.3 1.069 112.6 23.46
Ray Allen BOS 101.5 1.081 109.6 22.84
Andre Iguodala PHI 110.7 0.988 109.4 22.78
Antawn Jamison WAS 111.5 0.978 109.0 22.71
Josh Howard DAL 101.3 1.069 108.4 22.57
Tyson Chandler NOH 97.4 1.084 105.6 22.00
Kevin Martin SAC 104.9 1.001 105.0 21.88
Hidayet Turkoglu ORL 103.1 1.013 104.4 21.76
Marcus Camby DEN 100.5 1.026 103.2 21.50
Ron Artest SAC 102.4 1.001 102.6 21.37
Andrew Bynum LAL 94.9 1.078 102.3 21.31
Brandon Roy POR 101.7 0.997 101.4 21.12
Monta Ellis GSW 96.7 1.045 101.0 21.05
Dwayne Wade MIA 112.9 0.886 100.0 20.83
Chris Kaman LAC 103.7 0.960 99.6 20.74
Vince Carter NJN 103.5 0.955 98.9 20.59
Richard Hamilton DET 94.0 1.049 98.6 20.55
Jason Kidd(Njn) NJN 102.6 0.955 98.0 20.41
Josh Smith ATL 102.0 0.960 97.9 20.39
Joe Johnson ATL 101.3 0.960 97.3 20.26
Rashard Lewis ORL 96.0 1.013 97.2 20.25
Rasheed Wallace DET 91.8 1.049 96.4 20.08

i have a whole lot of respect for joe johnson..he felt he can be that guy in phoenix..they didnt think so..so he went his own way..the guy is killing it with the hawks..

the playoffs last year helped his case alot

^ actually Suns wanted to keep Joe

but anyway, thanks

The Suns did not want to keep Joe. At least not at that price.

His skillset ranks in the top 10. There aren't many players with his handles who can score from anywhere on the court with efficiency. His little floater is about as good as it gets. Good passer, solid defender. Great size and strength. His stamina is also tops.

What makes him a notch below Kobe, LeBron, Wade, etc. is his mentality. You see flashes of his killer instinct, but a lot of the times he seems to settle. I wish he could change the way he is, but I don't see that happening. Still a great player.

The Suns didn't doubt his ability, they just already had three All Stars they had to pay.

Ur very right. He has flashes of excellence and then fades away for a little while. I hope and I think he will develop a better insticnt and be able to take over games this season. Hes to good not to learn what he needs to do. Just imagine how many more games we will win if he decides to take over, not scoring 20 in a loss but 40 in a win. CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT HE DOES!!