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Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Sun Nov 2, 2008 8:32 pm
by tontoz
By Steve Hummer
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sunday, November 02, 2008
Every other Hawk was done with practice and already cloistered in the locker room. Only Marvin Williams, along with an assistant coach and one ricocheting basketball, remained on the court.
The drill went like this: Make three shots before missing three from six different spots behind the 3-point line, and go home. But miss three at any one of the stations, and start all over again.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/print ... liams.html
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Sun Nov 2, 2008 8:43 pm
by High 5
Sounds like a pretty easy drill...
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Mon Nov 3, 2008 1:09 am
by mattlanta
Yeah, why three... I do five in each spot on the court before going home... and I don't even play basketball.
Marvin should be doing at least ten each if he wants to improve.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Tue Nov 4, 2008 1:09 am
by High 5
Libid21 wrote:Yeah, why three... I do five in each spot on the court before going home... and I don't even play basketball.
Marvin should be doing at least ten each if he wants to improve.
Well he couldn't even accomplish the three so I'd say his three point shot is a lost cause.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:29 am
by realfung
good.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:12 pm
by tontoz
Libid21 wrote:Yeah, why three... I do five in each spot on the court before going home... and I don't even play basketball.
Marvin should be doing at least ten each if he wants to improve.
In order to make it through that drill making 10 shots the WORST you could shoot and still finish the drill is 83%.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:35 pm
by LL Cool Scott
Tontoz is right. That is NOT an easy drill. We used to run a similar one in high school and it's very tough from the high school/college line. I'm very encouraged by all the chatter about the hard work Marvin's putting in.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:26 pm
by High 5
It's an empty gym. Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line. I would be more encouraged if he actually finished it, but he gave up. Which speaks a lot more to me than shooting 100% in the drill would have.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:55 pm
by tontoz
High 5 wrote:It's an empty gym. Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line. I would be more encouraged if he actually finished it, but he gave up. Which speaks a lot more to me than shooting 100% in the drill would have.
First of all it is obvious you didn't read the whole article. You need to go back and read the whole thing.
Secondly Arenas wasn't shooting jumpers one handed. He wasn't shooting from the NBA 3 either. It should also be pointed out that the guy he beat is a good 3 pt shooter. If he couldn't shoot 75% from the college 3 then he might not be able to get through Marvin's drill easily either.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:12 pm
by LL Cool Scott
High 5 wrote:Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line.
That was/is one of the funniest youtube clips I've ever seen in my life. Especially considering how Agent Zero was behaving, and how much more important 20K was to the other dude's pocketbook. High comedy.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:55 pm
by High 5
tontoz wrote:High 5 wrote:It's an empty gym. Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line. I would be more encouraged if he actually finished it, but he gave up. Which speaks a lot more to me than shooting 100% in the drill would have.
First of all it is obvious you didn't read the whole article. You need to go back and read the whole thing.
Secondly Arenas wasn't shooting jumpers one handed. He wasn't shooting from the NBA 3 either. It should also be pointed out that the guy he beat is a good 3 pt shooter. If he couldn't shoot 75% from the college 3 then he might not be able to get through Marvin's drill easily either.
"A frustrated Williams gave up after about 30 minutes of trying."
Sure he said he did it later in some park, but he still gave up earlier. And Arenas wasn't shooting jumpers, but he was casually sinking college three's with one hand. That's just one example. Guys shoot ridiculous percentages in the gym all the time, if you can't do it there you'll never be able to do it in a real game.
Marvin can still be a good player, but it will be without the three.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:57 pm
by High 5
LL Cool Scott wrote:High 5 wrote:Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line.
That was/is one of the funniest youtube clips I've ever seen in my life. Especially considering how Agent Zero was behaving, and how much more important 20K was to the other dude's pocketbook. High comedy.
As pissed as I would be at Arenas if I was a Wizards fan, for everyone else he's great entertainment.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 6, 2008 12:57 am
by tontoz
High 5 wrote:tontoz wrote:High 5 wrote:It's an empty gym. Arenas shoots 75/100 with one hand and $20,000 on the line. I would be more encouraged if he actually finished it, but he gave up. Which speaks a lot more to me than shooting 100% in the drill would have.
First of all it is obvious you didn't read the whole article. You need to go back and read the whole thing.
Secondly Arenas wasn't shooting jumpers one handed. He wasn't shooting from the NBA 3 either. It should also be pointed out that the guy he beat is a good 3 pt shooter. If he couldn't shoot 75% from the college 3 then he might not be able to get through Marvin's drill easily either.
"A frustrated Williams gave up after about 30 minutes of trying."
Sure he said he did it later in some park, but he still gave up earlier.
Do you ever work out?
I have to wonder because i know after i have run on the treadmill i am soaked. Just walking around in the air condition is annoying because i am wet and chilly . It is probably worse for them since the court is on top of ice. Trying to go through a shooting drill like that, being tired also, wouldn't be pleasant. If it was me I would want to wash up and change shirts too.
Guys shoot ridiculous percentages in the gym all the time, if you can't do it there you'll never be able to do it in a real game.
What percentages are they shooting in the 3 pt contest?
A good 3 pt shooter like JJ can probably make 70-80% from 3 in practice which is what it would take to consistently get through Marvins drill easily.
I was challenged by my boss to a 3 pt shooting one time and i laughed. Just out of curiosity i went out with a friend and tried to shoot a bunch of (college) 3s which i had never done before. I made 29 out of 30 and i was very surprised. It was actually pretty easy because i was standing in the same spot while he was passing them back.
But when i tried to do it by myself, getting my own rebounds and shooting from different spots, i never made more than 26.
Since the 3 point line is different distances depending where you are and Marvin was shooting from 6 different spots that makes it harder to get into a groove. Arenas and Stevenson were standing in one spot.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:21 am
by High 5
Your argument is pretty weak like your Horford arguments, but I'm not worried about it.
This is one of those situations where I'd love nothing more than to be wrong. Marvin with three bigs ones tonight.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:42 pm
by LL Cool Scott
Hard work paying off? Marvin was HUGE last night. If he gets consistent with that shot (no reason he shouldn't with that textbook form and young legs), we're gonna be a lot tougher to defend.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:49 pm
by tontoz
High 5 wrote:Marvin can still be a good player, but it will be without the three.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:04 pm
by parson
One huge mistake - I thought - we made last night was not running plays for Marvin outside the arch. The guy was money from deep, yet we barely looked his way. I think that last 3 was the only play we ran for him.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:54 pm
by killbuckner
you think that last play was run for him? I think that was just a standard kickout to the backside guy after the defense collapsed.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:36 pm
by tontoz
killbuckner wrote:you think that last play was run for him? I think that was just a standard kickout to the backside guy after the defense collapsed.
I think it was a set play. There was no way they were going to let JJ just drive in and get a shot off and Marvin was spotted up as far down on the baseline as he could go.
Re: Marvin working on the trey
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:39 pm
by High 5
tontoz wrote:High 5 wrote:Marvin can still be a good player, but it will be without the three.
The biggest Marvin homer in the world couldn't have predicted him to be so successful this early. Don't make me bump all the stupid remarks you have made.
