Shopping Chris Kaman? Good fit for Hawks? Any chance?

[ATL DirtyBird]

I know we lack depth even though our bench has been huge, and it wouldnt hurt to have a big man so we could move Al to his true position the 4 and Josh to the 3 and so on! Woudl this be a good fit and is there any chance of this?? If not are the Hawks looking to get anyone? Maybe package Marvin and some picks for someone!?


GO HAWKS!!!!!
Bulls sucK!!

[trickydik]

he's a guy we all would love to have , some would say he wouldn't fit , but i wouldn't complain if we got him , just as long as we don't get shafted in the trade.

[Jamaaliver]

YES!!!! Athousand times YES!!!!!!

We would have the most fearsome, rugged frontcourt in the league!!!!!!

It makes either Marv or JSmoove expendable which we could use in a trade.
It allows Horford to guard and post up against PFs.

The only drawback is Smoove at SF. he doesnt fit in there with no jumper or handles........

But man........Horford plus Kaman equal DOMINATION in the paint.

[raleigh]

Claxton + Pachulia???

[parson]

Of the 4 (Kaman, Horford, Smoove and Marvelous), Marvin's the better defensive SF. Smoove's a better interior defender than Kaman but he's wasted, defensively, at SF.

That means we weaken our defense at 2 of the 3 positions if we start Kaman. I like Kaman, but he's not better than Al Horford at the 5.

Someone's going to have to prove that Horford would be soooooo much better at the 4 that the trade would be worth it.

[parson]

Claxton + Pachulia???

Heh, heh, heh. That'd be sweet. You have an idea that LAC would do such a thing?

[raleigh]

Claxton + Pachulia???

Heh, heh, heh. That'd be sweet. You have an idea that LAC would do such a thing?

Not in this millenium. I don't think they'd do it even if the Hawks offered a 1st rounder...

[Jamaaliver]

Someone's going to have to prove that Horford would be soooooo much better at the 4 that the trade would be worth it.

Tonight's production by Hoford should be a sign. When AL isnt busy guarding a dominant big man on the other team, he has the potential to put up BIG numbers against PFs. A true center (ala Kaman) allows Horford to rebound and focus on scoring instead of putting all of his energy into guarding bigger stronger bigs.

We have an undersized center and undersized PF, and Horford gets stuck picking up all the slack in the paint.

Chi essentially has 4 PFs and no center. A-HO dropped 27 and 17 on them.........and six blocks.

Al hoford, honestly, is the third best PF in the league right NOW. Behind only KG and Amare.

That includes Pau, TD, Lamarcus and Josh Smith.......

[Rip2137]

Sigh...this again.

Look. A front court of Smoove/Horford is better than a front court of Kaman/Horford. A line up of Marvin/Josh/Horford is better than a Josh/Horford/Kaman lineup.

Chris Kaman sucks. He is a HORRIBLE on the ball defender. He is worse at defending opposing bigs than Horford and Smith. He is not an effiencent scorer. He shoots about the same percentage as Smith except Smith takes jumpshots. Kaman takes all his shots from 2 feet from the basket and shoots a none to impressive percentage for a back to the basket scorer who doesn't hit jumpers.

He doesn't rotate on the pick and roll and scoring on him is laughably easy. Big men salavate at the idea of facing Kaman. the only thing he can provide is the occasion weak side block shot and give you window dressing numbers on a bad team.

I wouldn't trade any starter for him. The team would be WORSE. In every faucet of the game. Kaman is Zaza only he can weakside block some shots. he will be able to score on a really really bad team, on a good team, you question if he should be on the court.

[parson]

I wouldn't trade any starter for him.

Bibby?

[LL Cool Scott]

Horford's long term future is at the 4. That's not even debatable. He can play the 5, but he will truly star at the 4. And Smith is versatile enough to dominate defensively at the 3. Any trade that brings a true center that can draw a double team, rebound and play defense is in our long term best interests. Is Kaman that guy? I don't know. We're not ever gonna compete for a championship with Al playing out of position. Look at what he did tonight not having to kill himself on defense guarding a guy bigger than himself. His energy was amazing.

I'd have to play around with the trade machine to see what might work, but I'm tired (and Kaman's not gonna be traded until the deadline anyway, so what's the point?)

[IDoIt4TheA]

I'm not sure if Kaman is a good fit or not. On one hand he's a big body that we can use to help protect the paint and get putbacks but then again he's slow of foot and nonathletic. And athleticism is our team's staple.

I know we've had this argument many times before, but I agree that Horford would be better at the PF position. Look at tonight's game, he dominated Chicago's small frontcourt. In previous games when he's going against Dwight Howard, Dalembert, Tyson Chandler, etc. he doesn't have the same production because he's at such a height disadvantage. It was almost painful to watch him try to score in the post against them. I think he would benefit much more if he had a true center playing beside him, I'm unsure if that guy is Kaman though.

I don't think that Smith would be that bad playing the 3 as long as he controls himself and doesn't fall in love with the three ball. He is stronger and more athletic than most of the SFs in the league and that puts him at an advantage. He also can still go down on the block and post those smaller defenders up. Smith isn't the best shooter but his shot is improving. Look at Gerald Wallace, isn't he a SF? He doesn't have a good shot, but like Smith he is athletic and he seems to fill the role of SF pretty well for the Bobcats.

But as of now all these points are moot. Like the old saying goes "it if ain't broke, don't fix it." As long as we're winning, it doesn't matter at the moment.

[Rip2137]

You put smith at the three and his lack of a jumper even when wide open will condence the entire offense and make it not be able to move.

LLCS, I agree, if there was a center out there that could do all that, trade for him. But there isn't. Not one that can be had. Kaman doesn't draw a double, he doesn't play defense well, and only has big rebound numbers when there isn't anyone else on the team that gets on the boards at all.


You guys say we could never compete with Al at the 5? I say we could never compete with Smith at the 3. He simply isn't a three. I actually don't even think undersized PF applies. He is pretty much a prototype. I understand teh issue with Al having to defend opposing 5 men, but seriously, there are all of 3-4 teams that have one that actually matters. He will be fine.

[NWO4Life]

Kamen for Speedy, Soloman, and the rights to the southern cal kid Josh Childress.

What do you think?

[geeman]

Incoming Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Solomon Jones
6-10 PF from South Florida
2.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.2 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 16.0 minutes
Speedy Claxton
5-11 PG from Hofstra
No games yet played in 2008-2009
L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.1 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Solomon Jones
6-10 PF from South Florida
2.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.2 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 16.0 minutes
Speedy Claxton
5-11 PG from Hofstra
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Outgoing Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes

[HoopsGuru25]

Going after guys like Kaman AFTER they have good years is dumb...especially considering that his 2 highest scoring years have come when his team was awful. If you think the Clippers best offer for him is going to revolve around Zaza(who is probably worse at every aspect of basketball than Kaman) then you don't realize the value that big men have in the NBA. The guy the Hawks should have probably gone after was Nene who would be the ideal fit(outside of guys like Dwight and Yao obviously) although Denver clearly isn't going to trade him now that they don't have Camby and that he's playing well.

[NWO4Life]

Kamen for Speedy, Soloman, and the rights to the southern cal kid Josh Childress.

What do you think?

The salary is counted against out cap space based on the qualifying offer we made to Chill. Right?
So his numbers could be used to make this deal work. Right?

Anyone know what the CB say in this regard?

[killbuckner]

Childress isn't under contract and you cant trade his rights. (Its different to trade rights to draftpicks who haven't ever come over) It would have to be a sign and trade.

[NWO4Life]

Childress isn't under contract and you cant trade his rights. Its different to trade rights to draftpicks who haven't ever come over) It would have to be a sign and trade.

Thats what I expected but I didnt know. Thx 4 the response.

[conleyorbust]

Someone's going to have to prove that Horford would be soooooo much better at the 4 that the trade would be worth it.

Tonight's production by Hoford should be a sign. When AL isnt busy guarding a dominant big man on the other team, he has the potential to put up BIG numbers against PFs. A true center (ala Kaman) allows Horford to rebound and focus on scoring instead of putting all of his energy into guarding bigger stronger bigs.

We have an undersized center and undersized PF, and Horford gets stuck picking up all the slack in the paint.

Chi essentially has 4 PFs and no center. A-HO dropped 27 and 17 on them.........and six blocks.

Al hoford, honestly, is the third best PF in the league right NOW. Behind only KG and Amare.

That includes Pau, TD, Lamarcus and Josh Smith.......

Zaza scored 12 points on 6 shots last night and had 8 defensive rebounds which is massively out of character for him. The best big on the opposing team was Joakim freakin' Noah. Lets not start saying that Al is better than Dirk because he had his way with Ty Thomas and Aaron "7 feet 280 pounds but not an ounce of talent" Gray.

The nice thing was that we saw that Al can have a huge game scoring without really backing anyone down. He can be an effective weapon down low without having a post game which is something he should be able to do when Smith comes back.

Last night Al was playing as much C as he was PF, it just happened to be against a team missing its best front court player and that player was Drew Gooden which should tell you something.

Al is great and was HUGE last night but don't let one game against a bad team make you think we need to start trading half our team around. If we traded for Kaman, Al would still have to guard any frontcourt player with a little mobility which would mean Duncan, Dirk, KG, Bosh, Amare, etc. so its not like life would be easier.