Could Clippers Trade Camby At Deadline?

[HMFFL]

With the Clippers off to a 2-12 start, center Marcus Camby could become a valuable trade asset around February's trading deadline.

Camby's name even surfaced last week when the Clippers agreed to a four-player deal with the Knicks.

"After the trade went down, I talked with (coach) Mike (Dunleavy), and he said they want me here," Camby said Tuesday. "I still understand the nature of the business. I know, around trade deadline time, probably a lot of contenders will try to look to add me to their team."

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$8,000,000 - Current Salary

$7,650,000 - Next season and it's the final year of his contract.

[Harry10]

if the Hawks want Kaman or Camby, then that means that Bibby is involved some where in the deal.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

1. I've found that Storytellers is the most reliable salary site (http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm) and it lists Camby @ 10 mil and 9.65 mil next. My guess is that the difference between HMFFL's number and Storytellers is in probable bonus money he's scheduled to get.

2. I see it differently than Harry. First, LAC is generally known to be urgently searching for a SG who can play some SF. Remind you of anyone you know?

See the Kaman thread for an idea that works, but only if LAC gives up on this season and turns its attention to next... which, of course, is more congruent with the idea of Camby being traded at the deadline, if a trade is to happen.

[D21]

1. I've found that Storytellers is the most reliable salary site (http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm) and it lists Camby @ 10 mil and 9.65 mil next. My guess is that the difference between HMFFL's number ($8,000,000 - $7,650,000 ) and Storytellers is in probable bonus money he's scheduled to get.
...

ESPN says 10M, while DraftExpress says 11.25M (and 10.9M for next season), so 10M looks the salary to use.

[DeShaunRed]

Do the Hawks still have the rights to Chill? Man, I think it would be awesome to get a package deal like this:

chill+speedy+zaza+1st pick

for

camby

Just want to try some trade ideas.

[Harry10]

^ i really don't know why the Clippers would want to trade Camby's contract for Speedy's contract

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

^ i really don't know why the Clippers would want to trade Camby's contract for Speedy's contract

Depends.

If Speedy doesn't play 10 games this year, then for all intents and purposes, his is an expiring contract because of the long-term illness rules.

[killbuckner]

sturt- you really need to read larry coon's faq. If Speedy is traded and then retires then his new team wouldn't get any cap relief.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q53

[DeShaunRed]

But then again, we don't have Chill in our hands so I guess this trade has always been a pipedream in the first place.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

sturt- you really need to read larry coon's faq. If Speedy is traded and then retires then his new team wouldn't get any cap relief.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q53

*laughing*

First, I'm uncertain how you come to the conclusion that Coon disagrees with me.

He says,

"There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary."

I said,

If Speedy doesn't play 10 games this year, then for all intents and purposes, his is an expiring contract because of the long-term illness rules.

Beyond that, though, I just can't get over this total avoidance to read the actual contract.

For the record, this was all hashed out on Hawksquawk months ago (see link below). Don't worry... it's all clipped and pasted so you don't actually have to visit the NBAPA site unless you want to.

http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/ind ... 4083&st=09

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

But then again, we don't have Chill in our hands so I guess this trade has always been a pipedream in the first place.

DeShaun, two things.

First, see the last page or two of the Kaman thread for a scenario that could possibly be workable; though I acknowledge that there is still room for doubt based on the things I mention, as of the last time I looked (yesterday), everything that the naysayers brought forward was their own supposition, and nothing empirical from the CBA.

Second... small world... my wife is a Filipina from Cebu. I got to visit there for about 3 weeks in 2005, and hope to return relatively soon. Are you Filipino or an American living there?

[killbuckner]

sturt- maybe you and the hawksquak board should have kept reading.

Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief.

If Speedy retires then he is basically an expiring contract for them. But if he is traded then his new team wouldn't get any cap relief at all.

not quite sure why you are so determined to get your info directly from the cba even though it causes you to make fundamental misunderstandings of the cap. But this is laid out clearly there as well.

[Harry10]

^^ my mom is from Cebu, i have one uncle that lives near ayala, and another uncle that lives in mactan near hudson bay.

[killbuckner]

deshaun- for childress to be traded it would require a S&T. And that can't occur while he is under contract to another team overseas.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

sturt- maybe you and the hawksquak board should have kept reading.

My bad. I apologize. You are correct, I should have kept reading. I totally read over top of this.

(6) Only the Team with which the player was under Contract at the time his career-ending injury or illness became known or reasonably should have become known shall be permitted to apply to have the player’s Salary excluded from Team Salary pursuant to this Section 4(h).

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

deshaun- for childress to be traded it would require a S&T. And that can't occur while he is under contract to another team overseas.

Source?

To my knowledge, the CBA does not anticipate that a restricted free agent would sign a non-NBA contract, and has nothing so specific to say on the matter. In the eyes of the NBA, Chilz is simply an RFA who has decided to sit out this season.

[killbuckner]

There is nothing complicated about the situation. You cannot trade the rights to your free agents- restricted or otherwise. (draft rights are different) You are making the mistake thinking that Restricted free agency is fundamentally different than unrestricted. The only difference is the right of first refusal. So trading Childress would require a sign and trade. And you are not allowed to sign an NBA contract as long as you have an existing overseas contract since there are agreements between the leagues that prohibit this.

Put it this way- do you think that the Magic could trade the rights to Carlos Arroyo right now?

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

There is nothing complicated about the situation. You cannot trade the rights to your free agents- restricted or otherwise. (draft rights are different) You are making the mistake thinking that Restricted free agency is fundamentally different than unrestricted. The only difference is the right of first refusal. So trading Childress would require a sign and trade. And you are not allowed to sign an NBA contract as long as you have an existing overseas contract since there are agreements between the leagues that prohibit this.

Put it this way- do you think that the Magic could trade the rights to Carlos Arroyo right now?

Buckner, if you don't mind the observation, your response is disingenuous... in a couple of ways.

First, you know and I know that teams can't trade their free agents. It has NOTHING TO DO, though, with whether he is playing for a non-NBA team... BECAUSE... the only way that the CBA addresses players being under contract to non-NBA teams is with regard to their draft eligibility.

Second, you know from the other thread that my point was not that the Hawks would TRADE Childress, but that they would be within their rights to WITHDRAW their qualifying offer (since Oct 1 actually) and renounce him, making him AVAILABLE to the market... and thus, if the Clips happened to be the team most willing and able to sign him FOR 09-10, there is no language in the CBA (insofar as anyone has discovered yet) that says that couldn't happen.

The point on both fronts being... it is disingenuous for you to respond as if I was saying that a team could trade their free agents. My response asked you for a source something different than that, and for now anyhow, I'm left to believe that you have no source.

Lest I be misunderstood (again), the Speedy thing is what would screw up acquiring Camby. Period. Has nothing to do with Chilz availability or unavailability.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

^^ my mom is from Cebu, i have one uncle that lives near ayala, and another uncle that lives in mactan near hudson bay.

Even smaller world.

Good to know you, Harry. Have you been there?

[killbuckner]

Sturt- here is the statement I made.

deshaun- for childress to be traded it would require a S&T. And that can't occur while he is under contract to another team overseas.

You asked for a source on this so I tried to explain it more fully to you because you have made it clear you don't have a good grasp on even basic CBA issues. I don't know why you think that the poster in this thread would have been referencing your other convoluted circumvention of the cap and the statement I made was perfectly straightforward and correct. Honestly I thought you had dropped the ridiculousness about the renouncing childress so he could sign an illegal contract thing after you got more information so I was just responding to the facts of this thread.