Bibby or Marvin?

shortstuff5023 · Post #1 » by **shortstuff5023** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:39 pm

Bibby and Marvin are both going to be up for re-signing/extensions very soon. They'll both command a pretty large chunk of money...

If you have to take one, which do you take? Short-term vs. long-term?

HoopsGuru25 · Post #2 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:12 pm

If you had to choose between one....probably Marvin because he's the youngest on the team while Bibby is the oldest(outside of Speedy). I just don't see why you couldn't re-sign both. They are both making about $20 million combined this year and I seriously doubt either of them are going to get a contract starting at $10 million next year.

raleigh · Post #3 » by **raleigh** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:35 pm

Ugh.

If I had to, I'd take Marvin, and then trade him in February for a PG.

Post #4 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:52 pm

Most small forwards are always replaceable, but due to Marvin's age compared to Mike's, I would go with Marvin, and I like the fact that his game will only improve. A new contract will probably hurt the demand for him, but Marvin is very valuable to the success of this team, and we need him to stay part of the future.

shortstuff5023 · Post #5 » by **shortstuff5023** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 1:20 am

I'm going to answer my own question now...I'd take Marvin. If I were pushing the buttons he'd be getting more looks and he'd be more agressive with the looks he has now. I like the way he's been playing now...he's stepping up defensively and rebounding well, and he's also taken many of josh's offensive responsibilities. i agree with hoops guru though...we need both back.

Skyhawk1 · Post #6 » by **Skyhawk1** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 1:53 am

It took the Hawks almost a decade to have a starting PG and through that time, the team struggled. I still find amazing that some people don't recognize how important a PG is. He's the brain of the team, the flow of the team and its rythm depend on the PG. I do think that keeping Bibby is way more important than keeping Marvin. Now, if we could find a way to keep both of them around, and trade the rights of J. Chill, we'd have a big offseason. We also need to resign JJ, but I'm assuming that it'll be a no-brainer even for an organization like the Hawks.

parson · Post #7 » by **parson** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 3:29 am

Skyhawk1 wrote:It took the Hawks almost a decade to have a starting PG and through that time, the team struggled. I still find amazing that some people don't recognize how important a PG is. He's the brain of the team, the flow of the team and its rythm depend on the PG.

Yeah, BUT, Bibby's not that man. He's not a real PG. We don't run our offensive sets any better; we don't get all the players involved enough (the inaction on Horford is an absolute crime -- a true PG would force the ball down into his spot).

We're winning right now on superior overall talent, not because of Bibby's leadership (what there is of it).

Rip2137 · Post #8 » by **Rip2137** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 5:35 am

Yeah, Bibby's shooting is what is making him special on this team. Its not like he is a pure point.

Honestly, we could be even better if you put a defensive player who is a shooter at the position(although bibby has been working hard on defense this year...don't want to take that from him).

High 5 · Post #9 » by **High 5** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 6:16 pm

I have a feeling some of you will never be satisfied with our PG. Bibby is playing great. Not just his shooting, either.

Rip2137 · Post #10 » by **Rip2137** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 7:30 pm

No body is saying he is playing great. But he is not doing what Skyhawk said he is doing. Using that description, Joe is much more the PG than Bibby. Bibby has had some nice playmaking games, but he has been a guy with huge b@lls making huge shots, spreading the court and taking some pressure off Joe with his shooting and such. He isn't out there pulling a Stockton.

CWell · Post #11 » by **CWell** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 10:36 pm

Skyhawk1 wrote:It took the Hawks almost a decade to have a starting PG and through that time, the team struggled. I still find amazing that some people don't recognize how important a PG is. He's the brain of the team, the flow of the team and its rythm depend on the PG. I do think that keeping Bibby is way more important than keeping Marvin. Now, if we could find a way to keep both of them around, and trade the rights of J. Chill, we'd have a big offseason. We also need to resign JJ, but I'm assuming that it'll be a no-brainer even for an organization like the Hawks.

u know what's funny? all the things u pointed out DON'T apply to Bibby. So in your words we STILL don't have a PG. Joe is more of the PG of this team than Bibby anyway. Bibby is a shooter.

High 5 · Post #12 » by **High 5** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 12:29 am

Rip2137 wrote:No body is saying he is playing great. But he is not doing what Skyhawk said he is doing. Using that description, Joe is much more the PG than Bibby. Bibby has had some nice playmaking games, but he has been a guy with huge b@lls making huge shots, spreading the court and taking some pressure off Joe with his shooting and such. He isn't out there pulling a Stockton.

You don't have to average 10+ assists to be a good PG. You don't to constantly drive and kick to be a good PG. Bibby is a fine a distributor on top of being arguably the best shooting PG.

Post #13 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 1:00 am

Both Joe and Mike do a very good job at controlling the game. Joe may still bring the ball up at times, but it frees Mike, and he's shooting at a high percentage because of it. Mike Bibby needs to be part of the future hear and I hope Law is learning from him.

Much respect to the ASG for agreeing to take on Mike's contract when we traded for him.

td00 · Post #14 » by **td00** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 5:50 pm

If it comes down to it, we are in need of Bibby more than Marvin.

What has happened this year is both are playing their best. The argument is can you afford Bibby next year? What salary will he adjust to after making 15M this year? Will he get anywhere near that amount on the open market?

Marvin will be easier to sign next year, but after that, it will be tough to keep him and the current starting lineup. Similar to Detroit, you will have a 2-3 year window to make a serious run at the Finals or you will have to change things up. Detroit has been a great sample of keeping a core together prior to this year, and they did have a chance at 2-3 titles.

We aren't there yet, and not sure if we climb past Cleveland and Boston, but we need to at least make a serious offer to Bibby to bring him back for 2 more years. Marvin is like others said easier to replace and his draft slot makes him expensive going forward.

Retrovision · Post #15 » by **Retrovision** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 6:54 pm

If only we could get Chillz back

$$$$BIBBY$$$$ Bye Bye Marvin

Skyhawk1 · Post #16 » by **Skyhawk1** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 7:00 pm

Bibby is a shooter, I know, but he's got true PG skills. Just pay attention to the way we play when he's on the court. Now, the Hawks have that play where JJ posts up, he usually gets double, that's why Bibby has been great for us. You put other PGs who can't shoot and we're in trouble. I do think Horford should be more involved in the offense as well, but I also know he's a bit too raw there, and has trouble finishing after backing his man up. I think it's more of a Woodson decision, cause the pick and roll with Bibby would help us a lot, since Horford's jump shot is consistent from with 16ft. Anyway, if we let Bibby go, who do you guys think could give us the same or better impact that's available? For GOD sake, do not mention Iverson.

JoshB914 · Post #17 » by **JoshB914** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 7:40 pm

Just because Bibby is more of a shooter doesn't mean he isn't a PG. There are plenty of PG's that are shoot-first guys, it's just a different way of playing the position.

Our miserable half-court offense is suddenly working. And the only major difference in the make up of the team is Bibby. So don't tell me that it's just his shooting ability that has changed things. He's the smartest player on the team and he gets us into our sets and runs the offense very well. I would also like to add that he is one of the smartest players around and has provided a calming force on the floor that no one on the team could provide previously.

Maybe Bibby isn't the best fit for this team at the point. But he's given us everything we could have asked for and more. To say that it's only his shooting ability that has helped us on offense is crazy.

MikeeV9 · Post #18 » by **MikeeV9** » Sat Jan 3, 2009 1:51 am

Wow this is crazy how many people here don't appreciate Bibby...."Not a true PG, he's a shooter PG, and he sucks on defense" Give me a break, look where this team was before he arrived and then look at it now. Some of you guys are never happy....

Post #19 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jan 4, 2009 10:41 pm

just offering a little insight from an outsider. the constant talk in mn for a couple months now is that there is a good chance they make a 10-12 per year offer to marvin. of course this could change if a new gm is in place, but it is being discussed with the current group

HoopsGuru25 · Post #20 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 12:02 am

I would LMAO if Mchale passed on OJ Mayo only to sign Marvin Williams to a huge deal the year after.