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Post#1 » by HMFFL » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:11 pm

Atlanta favored to win by 12.

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The one time Randy Foye put on a Hawks uniform. Try to avoid looking at the other two.

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Post#2 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:08 am

LOL @ that picture. Isn't that from the movie Powder? man you had to dig deep for that one.

Nice to see the Hawks b!tchslap a team in the first half.
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Post#3 » by evildallas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:18 am

Seeing Shelden Williams play really brings my hatred of Billy Knight to the surface. I hope Knight never gets another NBA job. I will never forgive him for how he handled that draft.
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Post#4 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:34 am

evildallas wrote:Seeing Shelden Williams play really brings my hatred of Billy Knight to the surface. I hope Knight never gets another NBA job. I will never forgive him for how he handled that draft.

The funny thing was the people(Rip in particular) saying that Shelden would have outproduced Foye if it wasn't for Woodson. How is that working out now that they are on the same team? Minny fans are probably somewhat upset that they didn't get Roy but they have to wonder WTF were the Hawks thinking taking Shelden before either of them after seeing him play.
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Post#5 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:56 am

The Hawks are trying their best to make things interesting.
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Post#6 » by ATL DirtyBird » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:12 am

Sorry I didnt get to the thread but looks like HMFFL saved the day, but it looks like the homestreak continues, I will pray for the next to nights that we beat atleast one of the 3 teams we play in the upcoming days!
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Post#7 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:17 am

Flip has been amazing.
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Post#8 » by HMFFL » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:21 am

evildallas wrote:Seeing Shelden Williams play really brings my hatred of Billy Knight to the surface. I hope Knight never gets another NBA job. I will never forgive him for how he handled that draft.


The fact that we didn't even work him out is what pisses me off. The promise!

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Post#9 » by Retrovision » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:50 am

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Post#10 » by JoshB914 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:50 am

Easy win. The Timberwolves just look like they're tanking, where was K Love the whole game?

Oh yeah, Shelden is a scrub.
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Post#11 » by evildallas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:02 am

HMFFL wrote:
evildallas wrote:Seeing Shelden Williams play really brings my hatred of Billy Knight to the surface. I hope Knight never gets another NBA job. I will never forgive him for how he handled that draft.


The fact that we didn't even work him out is what pisses me off. The promise!


Exactly. If he had just done due diligence the mistake would have been avoided (hopefully). He would have had to realize that Shelden has horrible hands (primary among his many shortcomings). That alone should have disqualified him from being a lottery pick.

I mistakenly thought that he could be a successful journeyman PF in the NBA living off his rebounding and physicality to establish a long career (see Reggie Evans). If Shelden does accomplish this it will probably have to be at league minimum and with a rededication in effort because he hasn't shown anything in 3 stops on that guaranteed Rookie money.
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Post#12 » by evildallas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:22 am

Something occurred to me as the 2nd unit didn't maintain margin and the starters got put back in. The lack of offensive scheme really contributes to the bench appearing (or being) weak. With the create 1 on 1 style of offense it relies on better players to create the offense. You still had Flip out there to do that, but there was no other option, which meant the defense could focus on stopping him. If you actually had an offense that ran plays or at least used ball movement to create advantages the 2nd unit players would have a greater chance at offensive success.

The other observation is that the screen switching defense is bound to cause problems against better/smarter teams. Minnesota tried to exploit it by running a screen on Flip with Gomes to get the ball to Foye. Josh would jump out on Foye and Gomes would be on Flip. A better PG would have been able to press the advantage against Josh and a better PF would have gotten Flip down low. Josh seems to enjoy getting to d up the guard on the perimeter which give the other team a greater opportunity to exploit the situation. Not every guard is able to shoot that curl 3 pointer with effectiveness, it's possible to impede the shot long enough for Flip to fight over the screen without switching cover assignments. The switch doesn't hurt if its Joe/Josh/Marvin, but doing it with Flip or Bibby is playing into the other teams plans.
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Post#13 » by evildallas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:46 am

Didn't mean to be too negative. Good win over a bad team. Never much in doubt. Mario even showed signs of hope from the line. As for Minnesota, I wouldn't say they are tanking because it's not like they need to tank to lose. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are just trying out different players to see what they got on their roster.

As an aside, it is possible if Utah gets hot that Minnesota will wind up with 4 first round picks this year. Their own which would be top 7 most likely, Miami's which is likely #18, Boston's which is likely 28th, and Utah's if it 22nd or worse. That's like 5.6M in cap holds and in all honesty too many picks to have this year (or almost any year). Also, they already have 11 players under contract without resigning Carney (or Shelden Williams). I would expect them to sell or trade a pick and if they can't find a market they would probably spend at least one on a foreign player that they could leave overseas for now. They also have 2 mid-2nd round picks that will go to waste.

The T-wolves also have 20M in expiring contracts. A brave GM and sound ownership could reinvent that roster rather quickly with the assets they have.

I bring this up because if the Hawks see a bargain sitting on the board when Minnesota is due to pick they might be a team that can be dealt with cheaply. I'm sure Minnesota would love to turn one of the lower picks (1st or 2nd round) into future draft to preserve its value or possibly just cash. I'm still trying to upgrade the rest of our bench cheaply.
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Post#14 » by JoshB914 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:17 am

^^^^ Trying out what different players? Kevin Ollie? Bryan Cardinal? I can see them playing their young players big minutes, but playing your veteran backups? It didn't make sense to me. But just my opinion.

I do agree with you on Minnesota, Jefferson blossomed into a star this season before his knee injury, and Foye is also very promising. If he comes back and they draft well over the next few years, they can build a nice team around Big Al and Randy Foye.
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Post#15 » by ATL DirtyBird » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:21 am

^^^JoshB...would you rather have Al Jefferson now or Al Horford in 2 to 3 years?? I would much rather have Jefferson but Horford could turn into a stud, so who knows
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Post#16 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:28 am

SneakerKing33 wrote:^^^JoshB...would you rather have Al Jefferson now or Al Horford in 2 to 3 years?? I would much rather have Jefferson but Horford could turn into a stud, so who knows

Jefferson easily and I'm a big Horford fan.
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Post#17 » by ATL DirtyBird » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:37 am

^^So you dont think Al's celing is 20-10 ever? Best he could be do I think maybe 16 pts 11 rebs idk im no expert tho
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Post#18 » by evildallas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:41 am

JoshB914 wrote:^^^^ Trying out what different players? Kevin Ollie? Bryan Cardinal? I can see them playing their young players big minutes, but playing your veteran backups? It didn't make sense to me. But just my opinion.


Well put. You convinced me. They are tanking, but I don't really get why. Maybe for trade value or Thabeet? They're in no danger of finishing out of the top 10 picks (they owe Clippers a 1st, top 10 protected). The assumed #1 Griffin would play the same spot as Jefferson and Love. While Thabeet would make for a potent young big man rotation. If they aren't lucky in the lottery they are still poised to add either a SG/SF or PG to there starting 5 (actually both if they choose wisely).
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Post#19 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:48 am

SneakerKing33 wrote:^^So you dont think Al's celing is 20-10 ever? Best he could be do I think maybe 16 pts 11 rebs idk im no expert tho

15-16 and double digit rebounds is realistic. I don't see 20 ppg. Horford's post moves are pretty mechanical and Jefferson is as good as any one in the league down there already. I think Smith would have a better chance at scoring 20 ppg if he became more disciplined offensively.
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Post#20 » by ATL DirtyBird » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:50 am

^^^^Yes, thank you. I knew other people thought it, but I never heard it. I thought I was the only one who looks like Al is a robot in the post with no fluidness to his game. Prob why the shots he ends up taking look tough. Atleast hes already strong as hell, which is definately a plus for a young player.
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