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Atlanta sends:
SG Joe Johnson

Philly sends:
C Samuel Dalembert
SF Thaddeus Young.

Reason for Atlanta: Thaddeus Young is a Young 20 year old kid that just put up a 15/5 year including a 21 PPG month in March. His ability to score on/off the ball makes him a much more efficient and deadlier weapon then Joe Johnson. Added to this is the shotblocking of a Samuel Dalembert. A Dalembert/Horford front-lines will be very deadly for years to come and they can easily play for one another giving them at least 10-15 MPG rest every night. Added to the positive production of a Zaza and the Hawks C position is complete.

Reason for Philly:
Joe Johnson is a 6'7 Combo Guard with an amazing if inconsistent stroke and would bring a slasher for the first time since the Iverson Era. To have Iguodala/Johnson, two players that can make plays. This all but eliminates the need for a "true Point Guard". While Thad will be missed. Johnson's on the right side of 28 Iggy(25), Brand(29), Johnson(28) gives us an in-prime core to compete.

To complete the rebuild for Atlanta, trade Josh Smith for a Point Guard. Well, now that I think about it. This definately weakens your two-guard spot. It depends on what you want out of your two guard. But a lineup of Daly/Horford/Thad is definately a defensive trio. Maybe re-sign Bibby and trade Smith for a two-guard then.

Daly/Horford/Thad/?/Bibby.

it took alot of guts for you to come in here and post that

i hope that the other replyer won't be too vulgar.

I like Young and wouldn't mind acquiring Dalembert, but we don't get near enough for JJ in this deal. JJ has been an All-Star the last 3 years and is our offensive playmaker. For this you're offering an backup grade big whose contract has for 2 years / $23.5 mil left and Young who, as a combo F, has to share minutes with our 3 best young players. Quite simply, a 3x All-Star in his prime is worth more than a salary dump and a prospect with some upside. Honestly, if you kick in your '10 1st and Speights, the deal would be closer. 3x All-Stars should be able to command 3 decent prospects...

I love Young but I would never do this.

I'd do that deal. Young has superstar ability and would give us the big body (albeit an overpaid one) in the lane we need .

He definitely has upside but I don't think you can say he has superstar potential. He only averages 1 assist a game and it's not like he has Melo or Durant's scoring ability. I see him as a Luol Deng at his peak type player(an efficient 19 and 7 but not really a 1st option). I could also see him being another Jamison if gets a better jumpshot. I just don't think it's worth doing considering it would give us 3 forwards..none of which are close to being 1st options. We would go from having one of the worst go to guys on a playoff team to just one of the worst go to guys in the entire league period.

I would definitely take Young over the 3rd pick in this draft if given the choice though.

IF you can't reach agreement on an extension with Joe then this isn't a bad deal at all. Thaddeus Young strikes me as Marvin, but with more drive to become a star. Dalembert's contract isn't as bad as it once was as it expires in 2011. If we acquired Dalembert, I would really want to trade up to get Jonny Flynn as my PG of the future. I think his playing style would help get the most out of Sam in his contract year. Sadly, I have no idea how we'd move up at this time given the lack of resources to do it.

HoopsGuru25 wrote:He definitely has upside but I don't think you can say he has superstar potential. He only averages 1 assist a game and it's not like he has Melo or Durant's scoring ability. I see him as a Luol Deng at his peak type player(an efficient 19 and 7 but not really a 1st option). I could also see him being another Jamison if gets a better jumpshot. I just don't think it's worth doing considering it would give us 3 forwards..none of which are close to being 1st options. We would go from having one of the worst go to guys on a playoff team to just one of the worst go to guys in the entire league period.

I would definitely take Young over the 3rd pick in this draft if given the choice though.

You'd be surprised by the way Young took over games in March/April. It was a SICK, SICK run. His ability to drive, post-up, crash the boards. Man, Young's all-over the place. Luol Deng? Nah, Young has an excellent mid-range shot, okay outside shot.

That's the best thing about it, Young was our 2nd best offensive player after Iguodala and it was really close.

Well...I'm talking about Deng in his 3rd year when everyone was talking about him as one of the top young players in the league. He put up 19 and 7 with very good efficiency.

Young is going to be a very good player and a very efficient scorer...I just don't think he has superstar ability. He averages 1 assist a game which is extremely low for a non post player who is the 2nd option. You have seen him more than I have...but my guess is that he doesn't have an amazing scoring skillset like a Durant to still have a chance to be considered a superstar anyway. I could be wrong about that though.

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:
You'd be surprised by the way Young took over games in March/April. It was a SICK, SICK run. His ability to drive, post-up, crash the boards. Man, Young's all-over the place. Luol Deng? Nah, Young has an excellent mid-range shot, okay outside shot.

That's the best thing about it, Young was our 2nd best offensive player after Iguodala and it was really close.

and you want to trade Young (and a 7ft center) because why????

Young has all the tools imo. He can play both forward positions, has great athleticism, has continued to develop his post game, and also showed off a consistent jumper. I see him as the no. 1 option there over Iggy/Brand by the end of the next season. I watched the Sixers a lot over the final month of the year when they were battling for us for the no. 4 seed and he was straight up taking games over during that time. It should be interesting to see how he does.

But then again, I was one of those people who thought Deng was gonna be great, too. So that shows what I know.

I love young and thats who I wanted the Hawks to draft instead of Acie- but I think this is greatly overpaying for him. Joe simply has more value.

If we trade an all-star 2 guard (who, admittedly, I don't like at all) for another young small forward - I will renounce this team for life.

That is THE WORST trade proposal i've read on this board in a while.

JoshB914 wrote:Young has all the tools imo. He can play both forward positions, has great athleticism, has continued to develop his post game, and also showed off a consistent jumper. I see him as the no. 1 option there over Iggy/Brand by the end of the next season. I watched the Sixers a lot over the final month of the year when they were battling for us for the no. 4 seed and he was straight up taking games over during that time. It should be interesting to see how he does.

But then again, I was one of those people who thought Deng was gonna be great, too. So that shows what I know.

Deng doesn't have a jumper, Thad does

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Atlanta sends:
SG Joe Johnson

Philly sends:
C Samuel Dalembert
SF Thaddeus Young.

Philly would need to include more for me to support this trade. Rather pointless for Atlanta when we can just resign Marvin Williams. Samuel doesn't have a good basketball mind and it's going to be very difficult for Philly to move the 25 million that's owed to him. Thaddeus Young would obviously be the prize for Atlanta, but he's not enough, and I would expect your 09 first (or future first).

Thad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvin

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Thad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvin

You're not going to have a hard time convincing ATL fans that Young is a great young player, but don't sell Marvin short simply because he's the team's 4th option.