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I was reading on the trade a fan of another team mentioning how ATL fans think that Smith/JJ need to be moved so that Marvin can finally break out. That seems ridiculous to me, Marvin is not aggressive at all, with or without Smith/JJ- he won't ever atleast IMO be an agressive scorer. I guess my questions is, is ATL really that high on Marvin? More so than Josh Smith or even Joe Johnson?

No, that's not it exactly. We think that Marvin needs to be more involved in the offense to "break out." To do that, Smith, Johnson, and Murray will need to take fewer shots, something that would likely result in a higher efficiency for all of them...

Our biggest complaint is the total lack of any offensive movement.

I feel he is aggressive but it's out of his control if Coach Woodson doesn't utilize him properly. If Marvin is on the team next season I expect him to attempt more shots and I would like to see him show more dominance over his teammates. Josh Smith seems to think he's the second option on the team, but I don't see that working out, unless he proves he can hit the jumper consistently. I can't say enough about Marvin's rebounding numbers this season. He also worked on his game to develop a 3-pointer and he made 55 of them during the 61 games he played. Unlike one Hawk that tells me Marvin doesn't mind practicing.

I like Marvin more than Smith/Horford offensively. He just needs to be more aggressive He has had some pretty big games when Joe was out. I remember him playing pretty well at the end of 2007(albeit in meaningless games)and he put up two monster games when Joe was out last year. He has been a pretty good scorer when he was basically forced to take on a bigger role in the offense. I think we need to use Marvin like we did Harrington in 2006...he is much more suited to play that role than Smith IMO.

Only Parson is that high on Marvin. he doesn't count.

My biggest problem with featuring Marv more than we do and allowing him to initiate the offense is that he tends to get tunnel vision and I feel like that would start to become an issue of the D keyed in on him more.

I remember a couple of years back, Marv always scored really well in the early going and not so well later and some of us thought it was a conditioning thing -- if that has improved that Marv could be really useful off the ball if we installed some motion. That way he wouldn't have to intiate the offense but could still get in position to shoot or drive against a D in flux.

1) It's not an "either-or" proposition between Marvelous and Smoove. They don't play the same position nor do they have the same game.

2) For the record, I think it's foolish to favor one player over the other. I'm high on Joe, Smoove and Marvelous. I think all 3 can be all-stars (I'm also high on Horford, but he hasn't been mentioned in this thread).

3) I think Smoove and Marvelous' games complement each other's.

Furthermore, the only reason I've discussed trading Smoove is that, 1st, we have a replacement in Horford, 2nd, he isn't getting along with our coach (if we keep Woodson, whom I oppose, we should move Smoove) and 3rd, Smoove can be infuriatingly immature sometimes.

Trading Marvelous would leave a hole in SF, especially defensively, because we don't have a replacement for him. My criticism of Marvelous is that he can be infuriatingly submissive sometimes.

parson wrote:1) It's not an "either-or" proposition between Marvelous and Smoove.

Agreed.

Eventually, a decision will have to be made between Smith and Horford, but not Smith and Marvin. They can play at a high level next to each other.

To me, re-signing Zaza and Marvin are no-brainers. It's Flip and Bibby that are the tougher choices.

mrhonline wrote:Eventually, a decision will have to be made between Smith and Horford,

I wish you were wrong, but I'm afraid you're not. Horford is an above-average center right now and could be fine for us there. We'd have to cover for him at times, but we have to do that for most of our players - at times.

Problem is, I'm not so sure he WANTS to be a center anymore.

But the $64 thousand question STILL is, can we trade Smoove for a good center? Not one like Kaman, who would let us say we have a center but who couldn't produce better than Smoove, but a good center.

Would PORT trade Oden for Smoove? I think that's - now - a fair deal, but I know they wouldn't.

Would LA trade Bynum for Smoove? No, they have no need for Smoove.

Would the Clippers add enough to Kaman to make trading Smoove worthwhile? Besides Gordan (who I gather they'd never trade), what could they offer that we'd like? Maybe Baron Davis (but we'd have to have a 3rd team to take Davis and send us .... something worthwhile)? And now that they have Randolph, they might not have room for Smoove.

Who else has a decent center they could add a good player to in order to entice us?