Atlanta/Memphis Draft Day Trade

Post #1 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:31 am

Al Horford
Speedy Claxton: Expiring 5,209,454

For

2009 2nd Overall Pick
Marko Jaric: Two years left, 7,100,000 and 7,625,000.

We do this to select Ricky Rubio or Hasheem Thabeet.

Memphis:

PG: Mike Conley Jr.
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: Al Horford
C: Marc Gasol

raleigh · Post #2 » by **raleigh** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:34 am

I've been thinking this for a while, but Memphis only does it if they're being cheap.

johnny878 · Post #3 » by **johnny878** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:43 am

if the hawks took thabeet, it would be another failure of the franchise. how long would they avoid solving the pg issue?

i really doubt this would happen even tho this would awesome.

geeman · Post #4 » by **geeman** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:44 am

Yes, I was thinking more like OKS with the third pick will take Ricky Rubio making russell Westbrook
tradable. He sure look good running our point

MaceCase · Post #5 » by **MaceCase** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:52 am

geeman wrote:Yes, I was thinking more like OKS with the third pick will take Ricky Rubio making russell Westbrook
tradable. He sure look good running our point

I doubt they wouldn't mind having them both share the court considering Rubio and Westbrook are tall guards. Shooting would be extremely suspect though.

Post #6 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:52 am

I doubt the Thunder pass on Hasheem Thabeet. They can fill the 2 or the 5 with the 3rd pick and Hasheem Thabeet has the ability to take pressure off the 3 and 4. Russell Westbrook has the making of a future All-Star and I see no reason for them to risk moving him.

lunarblues · Post #7 » by **lunarblues** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:03 am

if anything the trade that would be more likely would be us trying to get a big from the clippers. LA just found another reason to trade them. and we might be able to get them in a salary dump.

chris kaman for speedy claxton and mo evans?

johnny878 · Post #8 » by **johnny878** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:13 am

clippers pretty much are forced to trade a big now

Post #9 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:18 am

Clippers offered Chris and Baron Davis to Dallas for Jason Kidd before the trade deadline. It's safe to say they would trade Chris for no value. If we expect Chris to play over 30mpg for us I doubt he stays healthy. Look at his numbers when he averages 30mpg or less and see if you think he's worth a three year invest that totals roughly 35 million.

lunarblues · Post #10 » by **lunarblues** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:26 am

as long as you keep horford and smith you would not have to worry about him playing 30 mins a game. it would take an investment. and we would prob have to say goodbye to bibby, but it could work

Draft PG/Law
Johnson/Murray
Williams/West/Gardener
Smith/Pachulia
Horford/Kaman/Morris

this would take care of our size problem right there, the only thing we would have to hope for is the PG we draft being able to come in and contribute

evildallas · Post #11 » by **evildallas** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:05 am

Interesting thought. For Memphis to do that deal they would have to not really like both Rubio and Thabeet or really love Al. They really don't need to deal Jaric that bad. I'd be surprised if Atlanta made a bold move like that. They would have to be convinced that one of those 2 has superstar potential that Al does not. The greater risk is that we take a step back trying to figure out how to get further ahead and lose Joe in free agency.

The Clippers deal is also interesting to me in its immediate impact nature, but it is a gamble on Kaman's health. Speedy, Acie and Randolph match up well and are all essentially expiring. We'd have to have a plan for PG because while shoring up the front line, it would likely take the team to the luxury tax area. Perhaps a S&T of Bibby to a team like Portland could mesh well in filling out the roster, but again that flirts with luxury tax. Acquiring Kaman would probably mean letting Zaza go.

Again I just don't see the Hawks doing anything so bold.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #12 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:22 am

I don't see Memphis doing it. It's a tough situation for Memphis because they finally handed the keys over to Conley mid-season and he responded well....but Rubio just seems like a special prospect. Maybe you can get trade Conley for something else and GS or NY's pick. I'd certainly take him as my pg over someone like Lawson,Curry, or Jennings(although I haven't seen him).

johnny878 · Post #13 » by **johnny878** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:33 am

lol kaman is getting paid too much to trade for him just to come off the bench.

NWO4Life · Post #14 » by **NWO4Life** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:33 pm

Personally I think Memphis would trade out of that spot... I would not consider moving Horford for him either. Marvin on the other hand and our first rounder might work. There is also David Anderson and Josh Childress rights that could be used in all of this. The Hawks have some GREAT options this off season.

Chris Kamen or Camby were brought up on 680 this AM of players that might be on the move with the Clips getting the only true STUD in the draft with the number one pick.

Time to see if SUND can pull a rabbit out of his hat. Remember alot of people are conserving money for JAMES / WADE and if we are aggressive we could end up much improved.

Lets' Go SUND! Lets' Go SUND! Lets' Go SUND! Lets' Go SUND! Lets' Go SUND! Lets' Go SUND!

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:57 am

NWO, Memphis doesn't have a need for Marvin Williams, and we can't S&T trade Marvin with our first round pick.

NWO4Life · Post #16 » by **NWO4Life** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:47 pm

Memphis has a need for Marvin???... PF depth - Darrell Arthur Hakim Warrick Darius Miles

What Memphis roster are you looking at?

Marvin is 15-20 pounds larger than Arthur, Warrick, and Miles... And Miles is as good as gone from the NBA anyway. Don't let the Hawks utilization of Marvin lock you in to the SF mind set...We Have 3 starting NBA Power Forwards on the floor every night.

This statement that Memphis has no need for Marvin is wrong.

As for the ins and out of the rules of the collective bargaining agreement involving draft day trades of pick and players... I do not know the details.

The essence of my post was merely to illustrate that the Hawks have assets and cap room to make things happen and the Memphis pick could be had because they already have Conley.

My previous post was made before the whole Rubio agent statement of being unwilling to play for Memphis or Oklahoma.

Let see what Sund has got.

D21 · Post #17 » by **D21** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:51 pm

lunarblues wrote:as long as you keep horford and smith you would not have to worry about him playing 30 mins a game. it would take an investment. and we would prob have to say goodbye to bibby, but it could work

Draft PG/Law
Johnson/Murray
Williams/West/Gardener
Smith/Pachulia
Horford/Kaman/Morris

this would take care of our size problem right there, the only thing we would have to hope for is the PG we draft being able to come in and contribute

I don't like Kaman for his salary, but trading for him would absolutely not mean that we have to let Bibby go. Bibby was making 15M this year.
Kaman at 10.4M and even Bibby at 8M (he won't get more) is 3.5M more than only Bibby now, and we get rid of 5M from Speedy, so there is no problem at all to have Kaman and keep Bibby.

evildallas · Post #18 » by **evildallas** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:01 pm

Not going to be a sign and trade for a pick (just doesn't work that way). And Josh Smith can't be traded to Memphis at this time (restriction due to matching offer sheet). That means the only players Atlanta has to dangle in front of Memphis are Al Horford, Acie Law, Mo Evans, Speedy Claxton, and Joe Johnson.

Playing devil's advocate considering Rubio's agent's public anti-Memphis stance, if Al Horford was enough to get Memphis interested (or at least the start of a deal) and Rubio was the choice then the team must have a plan to address the hole it creates at C. Among possibilities would be acquisition of someone like Tyson Chandler (New Orleans was looking for financial relief), Chris Kaman (Clippers want financial relief), Martin Gortat (Orlando might have trouble matching a full MLE offer), or maybe Samuel Dalembert (he wants out of Philly).

In the short-term it would probably be a step back for the team, but it might make the greatest sense longer term. If Rubio is as advertised then he should ultimately help both in win total and ticket sales. I'm not sure the franchise has the balls to roll the dice like that.

saloonyk8 · Post #19 » by **saloonyk8** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:43 pm

Look at the Cavs, they have 3 centers, all getting paid a nice chunk of change. $10M is the going rate for a decent big man. Bynum, Nene, they were all paid their $10M before even doing much. Chandler is getting paid similar. So if you want a center like Kaman, the $10M you'll just have to get over, even if he's not going to dominate.

NWO4Life · Post #20 » by **NWO4Life** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:39 pm

HMFFL wrote:NWO, Memphis doesn't have a need for Marvin Williams, and we can't S&T trade Marvin with our first round pick.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73

I looked into this to better educate myself on the CBA. I see you cant S&T Marvin for the Memphis pick as the picks value = $0.00 until they are signed to a contract. However I see no indication that you cant "package" OUR "$0.00 Value" first round pick with Marvin for the Memphis pick and a player like Miles who we would just cut.

Seems you have a better understanding of the CBA than I. Perhaps you can reference my link and point out where something like this cant be arranged. "In theory" of course.