Is Hedo a good fit for the Hawks?

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed May 27, 2009 2:12 am

Word is Hedo Turkoglu is opting out of his contract in June. He's proven the last two seasons, and especially this year that he is in the top tier of pure scorers in this league. His ballhandling, experience and three point shooting will be a boon for whoever picks him up next year.

The question is, would he fit in well with ATL?

His deep shooting and scoring abilty would pair well with JJ making them a formidable duo. In both fastbreaks and in the halfcourt. I recognize that hedo's defense is not exactly top shelf, but a good defensive scheme and maybe even some zone thrown in could mask his deficiencies. And we have seen him hold his own against some of the top scorers in the league in the last three series of the playoffs.

The money would come from letting Bibby and Marvin walk. (That alone frees uo $20 million.) And JJ is set to come off the books after next season leaving us plenty of financial flxibility in the future.

FLIP
JJ
Hedo
JSmoove
Horford

We still are lacking a true post presence to open up the halfcourt play. But at least teams cant consistently double JJ EVERY possession without being punished. And JJ can make teams pay for focusing on Hedo.

Defensively we are vulnerable, but offensively it makes sense.

parson · Post #2 » by **parson** » Wed May 27, 2009 2:41 am

Joe would have to give up the isolations but, yeah, Turkoglu would be a good fit. Another ball handler who can shoot the 3, can take the ball to the basket, has ice water in his veins. He'd be a good fit with a lot of teams.

I'm only speaking generically, however, because we all know Woodson would make him play backup PF.

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #3 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:27 am

Is Hedo really that different from Stephen Jackson... If you guys were quick to say no to Captain Jack... why say yes to Hedo...

Hedo averaged 16.8 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds... shot 41.3% from the field.
Captain Jack averaged 20.7 points, 6.5 assists, 5 rebounds... shot 41.4% from the field.

It seems like Stephen Jackson does the same thing offensively that Hedo does... but would be a cheaper option.

P.S. why would Hedo play back up PF...he would start at SF.

Post #4 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:37 am

Stephen Jackson has NEVER done what Hedo is doing in the playoffs this year, and what he occasionally did in the playoffs in SAC.

Stephen Jackson has a ring, but was a 3rd/4th option on a SA team that also won multiple titles without him.

Jackson is a bit of a headcase, Ive read the various articles about how his teammates love him. But he also gets arrested alot, was involved in the infamous brawl in Detroit and has never been an on court leader for a serious contender.

Hedo and Dwight Howard are willing the Magic to the Finals this year.

PS Parson was joking about playing PF. It was a shot at Woody's coaching.

MaceCase · Post #5 » by **MaceCase** » Wed May 27, 2009 7:16 am

Jack is a bit similar to Joe, his stats are overinflated due to the minutes he plays, the number of shots he takes, and the tempo of the system he plays in. Hedo is actually a stalwart on defense and doesn't have half the ego of Jackson. I actually don't mind Cap'n Jack but he seems far more happy chucking up shots when his jumper is off rather than driving to the hoop like Hedo does.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #6 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed May 27, 2009 11:34 am

Hedo is a good player...but Van Gundy's system has obviously helped his production alot.

parson · Post #7 » by **parson** » Wed May 27, 2009 2:08 pm

Hawk4Playoffs, Remember we had Stephen Jackson. We know who he is and how he plays.

evildallas · Post #8 » by **evildallas** » Wed May 27, 2009 5:41 pm

Unfortunately the cap rules again make this a difficult proposition. It would most likely require renouncing Bibby, Marvin, Zaza, and Childress to free enough cap to make an offer necessary to land Hedo. That leaves a lot to replace. I know this because I considered what it would take to land Ron Artest and a replacement PG. S&T isn't very likely with Orlando because if they were going to take back contract, they'd just as well sign Hedo. If the concern was paying Hedo long-term, they could possibly be interested in a younger investment or a combination of contract filler and a youthful replacement. I don't see where we have the pieces to do that. Conceivably Marvin in S&T and Acie together would match up, but a dual sign and trade is very hard to pull off.

Another factor is that Hedo is 30. Do you want to risk paying him 10M + when he's 35? Can you get him to agree to a shorter deal?

johnny878 · Post #9 » by **johnny878** » Wed May 27, 2009 7:43 pm

getting rid of bibby and marvin, to sign hedo doesnt make the hawks a better team.

Post #10 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed May 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Unfortunately the cap rules again make this a difficult proposition. It would most likely require renouncing Bibby, Marvin, Zaza, and Childress to free enough cap to make an offer necessary to land Hedo. That leaves a lot to replace.

Not really, Bibby and Marvin combined for $20 million this season. A backloaded contract for Hedo averaging $12 million per year for 4 years is not out of the question. And that would be almost double what he's getting paid now.

getting rid of bibby and marvin, to sign hedo doesnt make the hawks a better team.

But keeping them doesn't make us an elite team. Letting Marvin walk is a difficult decision, because I know he'll thrive under an offensive coach. But its apparent Woodson will allow offensive vets (JJ, Bibby, Flip) more leeway than offensive rookies.

evildallas · Post #11 » by **evildallas** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:10 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Unfortunately the cap rules again make this a difficult proposition. It would most likely require renouncing Bibby, Marvin, Zaza, and Childress to free enough cap to make an offer necessary to land Hedo. That leaves a lot to replace.

Not really, Bibby and Marvin combined for $20 million this season. A backloaded contract for Hedo averaging $12 million per year for 4 years is not out of the question. And that would be almost double what he's getting paid now.

getting rid of bibby and marvin, to sign hedo doesnt make the hawks a better team.

But keeping them doesn't make us an elite team. Letting Marvin walk is a difficult decision, because I know he'll thrive under an offensive coach. But its apparent Woodson will allow offensive vets (JJ, Bibby, Flip) more leeway than offensive rookies.

It's cap holds. While Bibby has the highest cap hold, Marvin is also a max cap hold. However Zaza and Childress are at 8M at 10M each in cap holds. Even after renouncing players each spot on the roster requires a minimum salary cap hold and there is a little over a 1M cap hold on the draft pick. With the anticipation that the cap is going down not up from 58M and 40-41M on the books, it would require renouncing rights to those 4 just to be able to offer him a raise over his current salary within cap rules. I'm not saying it isn't doable just that it requires renouncing all of them to do so.