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What do you guys think about the hawks making a run at a true center with the athletic ability to keep up with just about any PF/C in the leaque and the size to alter any ones shot and out rebound anyone in the leaque. Not saying that he will come in the NBA and just beast out everyone. Just saying he could and I believe should and will become a Dominating force. what do you guys think pairing him up with Josh Smith. I would love to see that.
So I say it again as I have been saying it for the last three weeks now
Hoford and maybe Law to Memphis for the number 2 and Hakim Warrick. Then get Channing Frye and or Charlie Villanueva as free agents. Draft Thabeet with number 2 and Lawson or Maynor with 19th pick.
This is what I would like to happen and we would have a lineup of
Bibby/ Lawson or Maynor
JJ/ Flip
Marvin W/ Evans
J. Smith/ Villanueva/ Hakim
ZaZa/ Frye/ Thabeet
or if you don't like Frye replace with Johan Petro.
I think this is something that we could do this off season and would really take the hawks to the next level...... maybe not the NBA championship game but I believe would could get out of the seconded round with this line up. and when Thabeet develops in two or three years I think we could bring the ring home.
So I say it again as I have been saying it for the last three weeks now
Hoford and maybe Law to Memphis for the number 2 and Hakim Warrick. Then get Channing Frye and or Charlie Villanueva as free agents. Draft Thabeet with number 2 and Lawson or Maynor with 19th pick.
This is what I would like to happen and we would have a lineup of
Bibby/ Lawson or Maynor
JJ/ Flip
Marvin W/ Evans
J. Smith/ Villanueva/ Hakim
ZaZa/ Frye/ Thabeet
or if you don't like Frye replace with Johan Petro.
I think this is something that we could do this off season and would really take the hawks to the next level...... maybe not the NBA championship game but I believe would could get out of the seconded round with this line up. and when Thabeet develops in two or three years I think we could bring the ring home.
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Thabeet interests me, as well, but he looks like a middlin' rebounder. Horford might be a better partner for Thabeet.
I'd like to trade Smoove for him. Maybe we could get back something more in a trade like that.
I'd like to trade Smoove for him. Maybe we could get back something more in a trade like that.
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i'm interested, i think he will turn out to be a legit NBA center. i think he can be Tyson Chandler in his prime, and stretch it out for 10 years. i don't think he is the next Mutombo were he will grab 4 DPOY, but i do think he is a guy you can go single coverage on Dwight and Yao, and grab double digit rebounds and his fair share of offensive rebounds.
i would be interested in swapping him out with Horford
i would be interested in swapping him out with Horford
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I want absolutely no part of a 7footer that didn't dominate in college with a top 5 pick. People fall in love with height but forget about talent.
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How long do you think it will take Thabeet to simply be the C that Horf already is? Hawks are in a win now situation, unless they are also willing to move JJ. I might actually be open to the right trade to improve the team, even if it means waiting another season or two to arrive at the new window.
As of now, there is no way anyone can see Thabeet as an upgrade over Horf.
As of now, there is no way anyone can see Thabeet as an upgrade over Horf.
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Firstly, we will have to offer more than that to trade up into a position to score him. But that's another story.
To echo was KB said, I'm not too interested in a 7-footer that didn't consistently dominate at the collegiate level. We see guys like this fail time and time again in the NBA. If you ask me, he's not worth the risk.
To echo was KB said, I'm not too interested in a 7-footer that didn't consistently dominate at the collegiate level. We see guys like this fail time and time again in the NBA. If you ask me, he's not worth the risk.
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tbhawksfan wrote:As of now, there is no way anyone can see Thabeet as an upgrade over Horf.
I agree. I think the point is that Thabeet and Horford might become an upgrade over Horford/Smoove. The team defense could be better and the offense might make more sense.
Horford is a top-10/15 center and Smoove is the same as a PF, so we don't have to make a move. However, Horford does have trouble with the very tall centers and Smoove is always one tantrum away from turning into Rasheed Wallace, so we ought to do our due dilligence on the issue of getting a taller center.
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Horford is not nor will he ever be a Center. He did a good job of holding down the center spot, but when he has to defend a true center he gets abused. He can't score and is usually in foul trouble. It is not fare to him to force him to gaurd a true center. We need a true Center, Thabeet is a true center that would be bigger than everyone he plays but Yao and more athletic than anyone but Howard. So give me some moves you would like to see inorder to take the Hawks to the next level.
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quote="parson"]
I agree. I think the point is that Thabeet and Horford might become an upgrade over Horford/Smoove. The team defense could be better and the offense might make more sense.
Horford is a top-10/15 center and Smoove is the same as a PF, so we don't have to make a move. However, Horford does have trouble with the very tall centers and Smoove is always one tantrum away from turning into Rasheed Wallace, so we ought to do our due dilligence on the issue of getting a taller center.[/quote]
Parson I am the type of person who doesn't care where someone is drafted or projected to be drafted. as long as you get your man. I feel that Thabeet is our man. We missed out on Howard a few years ago, now I know he is no Howard but I think he could be the next best thing. If so who cares if he was drafted number 2 or number 19. does it really matter. Does it really matter now that Kobe wasn't drafted Number 1, if the draft was done over I bet he would. The draft is a crap shot. you just do your homework on you guy and roll the dice. I putting it all on Thabeet. I wish someone would give me a better plan, if so I would be on board. I just don't see any possible way we could talk the Magic into giving us Howard or getting Yao from Houston.
tbhawksfan wrote:As of now, there is no way anyone can see Thabeet as an upgrade over Horf.
I agree. I think the point is that Thabeet and Horford might become an upgrade over Horford/Smoove. The team defense could be better and the offense might make more sense.
Horford is a top-10/15 center and Smoove is the same as a PF, so we don't have to make a move. However, Horford does have trouble with the very tall centers and Smoove is always one tantrum away from turning into Rasheed Wallace, so we ought to do our due dilligence on the issue of getting a taller center.[/quote]
Parson I am the type of person who doesn't care where someone is drafted or projected to be drafted. as long as you get your man. I feel that Thabeet is our man. We missed out on Howard a few years ago, now I know he is no Howard but I think he could be the next best thing. If so who cares if he was drafted number 2 or number 19. does it really matter. Does it really matter now that Kobe wasn't drafted Number 1, if the draft was done over I bet he would. The draft is a crap shot. you just do your homework on you guy and roll the dice. I putting it all on Thabeet. I wish someone would give me a better plan, if so I would be on board. I just don't see any possible way we could talk the Magic into giving us Howard or getting Yao from Houston.
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rak, I think you're misunderstanding me. Calling Horford a "top-10/15 center" doesn't indicate where he was drafted but rather how he compares to the rest of the NBA. I'm saying he's one of the top 10/15 centers in the NBA. I'm also saying Smoove is one of the top 10/15 PFs in basketball.
The post before you said Horford wasn't a center but then you said he "did a good job of holding down the center spot," which, to me, is about the same thing. With his game, Horford can be our center for years to come. Yes, it might be nice to upgrade there, but Horford is pretty good at center.
The post before you said Horford wasn't a center but then you said he "did a good job of holding down the center spot," which, to me, is about the same thing. With his game, Horford can be our center for years to come. Yes, it might be nice to upgrade there, but Horford is pretty good at center.
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parson wrote:rak, I think you're misunderstanding me. Calling Horford a "top-10/15 center" doesn't indicate where he was drafted but rather how he compares to the rest of the NBA. I'm saying he's one of the top 10/15 centers in the NBA. I'm also saying Smoove is one of the top 10/15 PFs in basketball.
The post before you said Horford wasn't a center but then you said he "did a good job of holding down the center spot," which, to me, is about the same thing. With his game, Horford can be our center for years to come. Yes, it might be nice to upgrade there, but Horford is pretty good at center.
Ok parson I would agree with you Hoford could be our center but we still need a true center with some size to help us get over the hump when we face center with more size. If we kept out roster as is and just added say a Kwame Brown and a Matt Barnes I would be satisfied. give me more than just your opinion of the moves I would like to see made. give some moves you would like to see made.
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I'm in no way opposed to acquiring Thabeet, love to get him; just not aét the expense of Horf or Smoove, both are much more valuable now and quite possibly forever.
The oringinal proposal included Warrick for Horf. That doesn't do it for me. Find a way to keep Horf and Smoove and add Thabeet and I'm all over it.
The oringinal proposal included Warrick for Horf. That doesn't do it for me. Find a way to keep Horf and Smoove and add Thabeet and I'm all over it.
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The thing that gets me about this is if you're trading up to 2, then you grab the star. Everything I've seen rates Thabeet's upside as a closer to a Tyson Chandler-type who could develop a 15' jumper. Useful player, yes, but not a perennial All Star candidate or anything. OTOH, everything I've seen rates Rubio's upside as a Jason Kidd-type facilitator who can take over games with his passing ability and b-ball IQ. Yes, that's an All-Star candidate even in strong years. I grant that there is a potential for being a bust, but I don't see Thabeet's bust potential as significantly lower than Rubio's. Thabeet is generally considered having the highest bust potential in the entire draft - which is saying something considering that the draft class actually has a fair number of unproven talents (Holiday, Jennings) and boom/bust candidates (Clark, Evans) expected to go top 10. So, why trade up to #2 if you're not going to get the 2nd best player in the draft?

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It was interesting scenario to think about after the lottery but I haven't even seen the Hawks mentioned once as a possible trade partner with them by anyone in the last 2 weeks but I have seen 5-6 threads about trading with Memphis. I think it's time to calm down on the Thabeet,Rudy Gay,Conley,etc trade proposals considering that none of them look like realistic options.
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It's not just spending a top 5 pick on him, it would be giving up the assets to get the pick to us on him. If we were picking in the high lottery I could see taking a chance on him, but we aren't. In order to get that high in the draft we'd have to trade major assets which makes the cost too prohibitive.
The only trade I see that might make sense would be Joe Johnson to Washington for Caron Butler and their 1st (and filler if necessary). Then if Thabeet falls to 5 I would have no problem doing it but I was actually expecting the pick to be used on Harden. I only bring this up for consideration if Joe says he isn't willing to sign an extension or if management determines that he's been played too many minutes and fears that he'll spend most of his next contract injured.
The only trade I see that might make sense would be Joe Johnson to Washington for Caron Butler and their 1st (and filler if necessary). Then if Thabeet falls to 5 I would have no problem doing it but I was actually expecting the pick to be used on Harden. I only bring this up for consideration if Joe says he isn't willing to sign an extension or if management determines that he's been played too many minutes and fears that he'll spend most of his next contract injured.
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evildallas wrote:It's not just spending a top 5 pick on him, it would be giving up the assets to get the pick to us on him. If we were picking in the high lottery I could see taking a chance on him, but we aren't. In order to get that high in the draft we'd have to trade major assets which makes the cost too prohibitive.
The only trade I see that might make sense would be Joe Johnson to Washington for Caron Butler and their 1st (and filler if necessary). Then if Thabeet falls to 5 I would have no problem doing it but I was actually expecting the pick to be used on Harden. I only bring this up for consideration if Joe says he isn't willing to sign an extension or if management determines that he's been played too many minutes and fears that he'll spend most of his next contract injured.
I would be all over this trade but I doubt Washington would, JJ is not much better than Caron if at all. So, I don't see Washington giving us the 5 th pick to swap out JJ for Caron.
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I am still waiting on someone to post a way we could get a Center. Someone did post JJ for Wade.......that could work. Wade S/T and Mark Blount or who ever they are trying to get rid of for JJ S/T and M. Williams S/T.
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Mark Blount? I guess if we have to take him to land Wade, but I'd think our current combo of Horford / Zaza would be better in all phases of the game than anything Blount could offer...rak1974 wrote:I am still waiting on someone to post a way we could get a Center. Someone did post JJ for Wade.......that could work. Wade S/T and Mark Blount or who ever they are trying to get rid of for JJ S/T and M. Williams S/T.
As far as ways to get a C, that's been the subject of a lot of posts here - especially since we've been booted from the playoffs. Some of the ideas: use the MLE to sign a prospect-type who could be more (Gortat, Petro, etc.) or a vet would could give some useful minutes (Skinner and others). Also, trade for a salary dump type (Dalembert and Kaman are the 2 names floated the most, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are others that come available come the new fiscal year; the trades revolve around Speedy's contract and other moving parts - Law, Evans, or an SNT with possibly something else coming back) or even for a premium guy (this was someone's idea posted in the "Draft Contest" thread above: #19 + Horford for Camby). Obviously, I can't really comment on the validity of any of these from the other team's perspective, but that'd be true of any transaction. The option that makes the most sense to me is sign the prospect-type with the MLE, but the other ideas aren't bad and prolly yield better ROI immediately.
Honestly, where not in a bad situation right now. I'd prefer someone who fit the physical dimensions of a C better than Horford (and Zaza for that matter), but we have a decent baseline. If we don't get anyone that would be an upgrade from the Horford / Zaza combo, then we can pass. If we do and we are a better team because of it, then we can pounce. We aren't desperate and we don't need much. We have shot blockers (Smith and Horford). We have guys that can patrol the low block on O (Smith almost has to do this; Horford could). All we need is someone to man up on those larger Cs, pull down rebounds @ a nice clip, and offer something - anything - on O. The shame of all this is that BK already traded for this guy, Joel Przybilla, but then just let him walk. Another of BK's travesties.

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theatlfan wrote:Mark Blount? I guess if we have to take him to land Wade, but I'd think our current combo of Horford / Zaza would be better in all phases of the game than anything Blount could offer...rak1974 wrote:I am still waiting on someone to post a way we could get a Center. Someone did post JJ for Wade.......that could work. Wade S/T and Mark Blount or who ever they are trying to get rid of for JJ S/T and M. Williams S/T.
As far as ways to get a C, that's been the subject of a lot of posts here - especially since we've been booted from the playoffs. Some of the ideas: use the MLE to sign a prospect-type who could be more (Gortat, Petro, etc.) or a vet would could give some useful minutes (Skinner and others). Also, trade for a salary dump type (Dalembert and Kaman are the 2 names floated the most, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are others that come available come the new fiscal year; the trades revolve around Speedy's contract and other moving parts - Law, Evans, or an SNT with possibly something else coming back) or even for a premium guy (this was someone's idea posted in the "Draft Contest" thread above: #19 + Horford for Camby). Obviously, I can't really comment on the validity of any of these from the other team's perspective, but that'd be true of any transaction. The option that makes the most sense to me is sign the prospect-type with the MLE, but the other ideas aren't bad and prolly yield better ROI immediately.
Honestly, where not in a bad situation right now. I'd prefer someone who fit the physical dimensions of a C better than Horford (and Zaza for that matter), but we have a decent baseline. If we don't get anyone that would be an upgrade from the Horford / Zaza combo, then we can pass. If we do and we are a better team because of it, then we can pounce. We aren't desperate and we don't need much. We have shot blockers (Smith and Horford). We have guys that can patrol the low block on O (Smith almost has to do this; Horford could). All we need is someone to man up on those larger Cs, pull down rebounds @ a nice clip, and offer something - anything - on O. The shame of all this is that BK already traded for this guy, Joel Przybilla, but then just let him walk. Another of BK's travesties.
Good Ideas. I like Kaman Gortat or Petro not so much Camby for #19 + Horford. We could sign Petro and Gortat how do you propose we get Kaman and or Camby and keep one of Horford or the # 19. I still want to draft our PG of the future with the 19 though.
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I can't take credit for any of them. There are some creative minds around here.rak1974 wrote:Good Ideas. I like Kaman Gortat or Petro not so much Camby for #19 + Horford. We could sign Petro and Gortat how do you propose we get Kaman and or Camby and keep one of Horford or the # 19. I still want to draft our PG of the future with the 19 though.
Not as sold on Kaman or Chandler as many around here are. Both seem to be getting a BIG pass on some real issues. Honestly, I'd think that Horford + filler (Speedy?) should be able to net Camby, but it'd have to be a 3-way deal. LAC wouldn't want both Griffin and Horford. I really couldn't see any other C becoming available in trades except for salary dumps and I'm not sure how we'd accomplish that. After Speedy, all the rest of our assets have some worth after their salary (admittedly, in some cases, not much), so we'd need to be creative in such deals. Something like Smith + Speedy for Dalembert + Thad Young + future 1st. Dunno if PHI would bite though.
