Chris Bosh SnT

[Harry10]

this could be great news for the Hawks, because in a SnT, Bosh could effectively choose where he wants to go, and ATL could be close to the top on Bosh's short list.

the first place Bosh will want to go is to a big market city. he would also like to go to a team that is already winning and making the playoffs, and after being alone in TOR for so many years, i think he would like to come to an organization that already has an establish star.

New York
New Jersey
Miami
Chicago
Texas teams
Lakers
Golden State
Atlanta

all of the above are big markets, but i think Miami and Atlanta have the best shot, because they can offer Beasley or Horford (and/or Marvin). if the Lakers offer Bynum, then LA would be the clear front runners, but i just don't think the Lakers would accept such a trade.

[td00]

Agree Harry, you gotta come up with an offer that is tough to match.

To improve this team, you gotta give up a Horford or a Marvin to make a statement.

What is Toronto looking for in this situation? I read all the limitations of Josh Smith being moved, but if that is possible, and the Raptors are obliging, then perhaps?

What's the better scenario: Horford/Bosh or Smoove/Bosh? If you can somehow keep Horford, it is definitely something you have to take a shot at.......

[killbuckner]

You are talking about a Bosh S&T next offseason when so many teams have the caproom to sign him outright?

[HMFFL]

Chris Bosh seems to be set on playing the 4, so I guess by making this trade it means we move Josh Smith, and continue to play Al Horford at the 5. I am completely against playing Al at the 5 long-term, unless he improves on both ends of the court, and starts working out like Dwight Howard.

I think Bryan Colangelo would look to acquire a number of draft picks or one that is sure to be high. The Clippers have some expiring contracts to offer and have Minny future first that is top 10 protected until the 2012 season.

[Harry10]

^ would Bosh sign an extention with the Rap if he knew that his destination would be the Clippers?!

like i said before, in a SnT.... Bosh will be able to give Colangelo a list of teams he approves of.

[td00]

If Colangelo is already dangling Bosh in a S&T, are they just saying that this season is going to be transitional?
I wouldn't like to hear that kind of talk from my GM prior to the season. It doesn't bode well for season ticket sales.

The longer this goes, I wouid think the less they get for Bosh. But Atlanta needs to make a major effort to get in the sweeps here with the needs of the Raptors.

Watch out for Detroit unless Bosh doesn't want to play there. And for Bosh to come here, it sounds like we have to commit again to JJ long-term.

[HMFFL]

Harry, I was simply referring to the Clippers because of the future first that's owed to them. LA is still a bigger market, has a bright future once some bad contracts are moved, and I don't see us being much of an upgrade. As of right now the only point guards we have are Speedy and Acie Law, Mo Evans at 3, an undersized center, and Joe Johnson is expiring after next season. How would that appeal to Chris Bosh?

If I am Chris Bosh the main thing on my mind right now is signing a max contract. The team that signs him is most likely going to be a big market and he can do what he does now and live outside of Toronto during the off-season.

[Harry10]

Harry, I was simply referring to the Clippers because of the future first that's owed to them. LA is still a bigger market, has a bright future once some bad contracts are moved, and I don't see us being much of an upgrade. As of right now the only point guards we have are Speedy and Acie Law, Mo Evans at 3, an undersized center, and Joe Johnson is expiring after next season. How would that appeal to Chris Bosh?

If I am Chris Bosh the main thing on my mind right now is signing a max contract. The team that signs him is most likely going to be a big market and he can do what he does now and live outside of Toronto during the off-season.

LOL, this is hilarious..... of course Bosh is going to get max... that is the whole point of a SnT.

their a dozen teams who wouldn't give a second thought about giving Bosh a max deal. if Bosh only cared about a max deal, then he would just sign an extention with TOR this July, but that is not the case. Bosh wants to get paid AND go to a good team.

BTW: really the Clippers?! Baron and Zach have horrible contracts, and i have never heard of a star wanting to go to the Clippers (besides Baron, because he is from LA). the Clippers are a small market, because the LA market belongs to the Lakers.

[HMFFL]

What is so funny about that exactly? If your the player the max has to be on your mind and he has yet to ink anything. If you read past what you underlined you would notice that I mentioned the team that signs him will most likely be a big market team. Most big market teams have a greater chance at successful since they have the financial resources, so technically I am saying Chris Bosh will end up signing with a good team.

You seem to be sold that Chris plans on being a 5 because you never responded to what I said. Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's starting 5 this past season if you need any further evidence.

What is so appealing about Al Horford and being locked into a long-term contract with Marvin Williams? I just don't think that's going to cut it to acquire a proven star like Chris Bosh. Once again, I was only referring to the Clippers because of a nice future first that's owed to them, but overall they have more resources, and I think Bryan Colangelo would prefer first round picks instead of most of our players. If a trade on our end doesn't involve Joe Johnson or Josh Smith I really don't see Toronto having much interest.

The Clippers are a small market because the market belongs to the Lakers? I think it has more to do with the Lakers having Kobe and the Clippers not having the same success or star power on the team. You'll be proven wrong depending on how good Blake Griffin becomes. So, do you actually think Atlanta has the bigger market, and is more appealing?

[rak1974]

What is so funny about that exactly? If your the player the max has to be on your mind and he has yet to ink anything. If you read past what you underlined you would notice that I mentioned the team that signs him will most likely be a big market team. Most big market teams have a greater chance at successful since they have the financial resources, so technically I am saying Chris Bosh will end up signing with a good team.

You seem to be sold that Chris plans on being a 5 because you never responded to what I said. Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's starting 5 this past season if you need any further evidence.

What is so appealing about Al Horford and being locked into a long-term contract with Marvin Williams? I just don't think that's going to cut it to acquire a proven star like Chris Bosh. Once again, I was only referring to the Clippers because of a nice future first that's owed to them, but overall they have more resources, and I think Bryan Colangelo would prefer first round picks instead of most of our players. If a trade on our end doesn't involve Joe Johnson or Josh Smith I really don't see Toronto having much interest.

The Clippers are a small market because the market belongs to the Lakers? I think it has more to do with the Lakers having Kobe and the Clippers not having the same success or star power on the team. You'll be proven wrong depending on how good Blake Griffin becomes. So, do you actually think Atlanta has the bigger market, and is more appealing?

So you don't think that Horford or Smoove, Marvin, and Law or the 19th pick would be enough to grap Bosh from the Raps.

something like this

Raps get Horford, Marvin(S/T), and Law
Hawks get Bosh
or
Raps get Smoove and 19th, hell we could even do a sign and trade with Chillz if he agrees.
Hawks get Bosh




Hawks line-up on trade A
Bibby/Maynor(19th)
JJ/Flip
Smoove/ Evens
Bosh/ Solo
ZaZa/ F/A(Kwame Brown)

Hawks line-up B
Bibby/Law
JJ/ Flip
Marvin/Evans
Bosh/ Solo
Horford/ZaZa

[ATL DirtyBird]

^ Its not gonna happen so whats the point of even speculating this? Does this not get old to you guys?

[deeps6x]

Agree Harry, you gotta come up with an offer that is tough to match.

To improve this team, you gotta give up a Horford or a Marvin to make a statement.

What is Toronto looking for in this situation? I read all the limitations of Josh Smith being moved, but if that is possible, and the Raptors are obliging, then perhaps?

What's the better scenario: Horford/Bosh or Smoove/Bosh? If you can somehow keep Horford, it is definitely something you have to take a shot at.......

Toronto is a team with A LOT of holes to fill. They are loaded at PF with Bosh, Bargs, Humphries, and Evans. They have a great SF in Marion, but he will likely sign elsewhere this summer. They have no SG and are using Bargs (a PF) as their C when playing him with Bosh. If they lose Bosh, I'm sure they would want Horford as their C so they could move Bargs back to his natural PF position. On the other hand, if he gets better at the C next year, they might accept Josh Smith ++ for Bosh.

I would think that this summer, a Smith+Williams for Bosh+Banks deal could be done.

Toronto would get its new PF in Smith, SF in Williams, while Atlanta would get a new PF in Bosh and a defensive PG in Banks. I don't know if the dollars match with Smith's $7 million trade kicker. $7 million is a huge problem and might make him almost un-tradeable.

[HMFFL]

What is so funny about that exactly? If your the player the max has to be on your mind and he has yet to ink anything. If you read past what you underlined you would notice that I mentioned the team that signs him will most likely be a big market team. Most big market teams have a greater chance at successful since they have the financial resources, so technically I am saying Chris Bosh will end up signing with a good team.

You seem to be sold that Chris plans on being a 5 because you never responded to what I said. Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's starting 5 this past season if you need any further evidence.

What is so appealing about Al Horford and being locked into a long-term contract with Marvin Williams? I just don't think that's going to cut it to acquire a proven star like Chris Bosh. Once again, I was only referring to the Clippers because of a nice future first that's owed to them, but overall they have more resources, and I think Bryan Colangelo would prefer first round picks instead of most of our players. If a trade on our end doesn't involve Joe Johnson or Josh Smith I really don't see Toronto having much interest.

The Clippers are a small market because the market belongs to the Lakers? I think it has more to do with the Lakers having Kobe and the Clippers not having the same success or star power on the team. You'll be proven wrong depending on how good Blake Griffin becomes. So, do you actually think Atlanta has the bigger market, and is more appealing?

So you don't think that Horford or Smoove, Marvin, and Law or the 19th pick would be enough to grap Bosh from the Raps.

something like this

Raps get Horford, Marvin(S/T), and Law
Hawks get Bosh
or
Raps get Smoove and 19th, hell we could even do a sign and trade with Chillz if he agrees.
Hawks get Bosh




Hawks line-up on trade A
Bibby/Maynor(19th)
JJ/Flip
Smoove/ Evens
Bosh/ Solo
ZaZa/ F/A(Kwame Brown)

Hawks line-up B
Bibby/Law
JJ/ Flip
Marvin/Evans
Bosh/ Solo
Horford/ZaZa

Actually I don't think Toronto would accept Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Acie Law for Bosh. Many Hawk fans overvalue Marvin Williams and I doubt Toronto would want him signed long-term. What value does Acie Law have? Overall, I just don't think your offer cuts it for Toronto.

Josh Smith and the 19th? Once again it looks good for us, but why would Toronto do it? If we did that trade it means Chris Bosh plays the 4, not the 5, and we're stick with Al Horford at the 5.

[Harry10]

Actually I don't think Toronto would accept Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Acie Law for Bosh. Many Hawk fans overvalue Marvin Williams and I doubt Toronto would want him signed long-term. What value does Acie Law have? Overall, I just don't think your offer cuts it for Toronto.

Josh Smith and the 19th? Once again it looks good for us, but why would Toronto do it? If we did that trade it means Chris Bosh plays the 4, not the 5, and we're stick with Al Horford at the 5.

it is all about best offer on the table...... what does CHI have... Deng and Tyrus?

..... MIA has Beasley, but judging from the Heat board, the Heat wouldn't make such a trade

NYK have nothing

NJN are not going to give up Brooks or Harris

Horford package is top of the list, or atleast in the top 3

AGAIN it is a SnT..... IT IS ABOUT BEST OFFER on the table

[HMFFL]

^

You're right, it's about the best offer, and other teams can easily offer more. I mentioned the Clippers earlier, so I will just continue with them, because they have enough talent to acquire Chris Bosh.

Eric Gordon, Al Thorton, DeAndre Jordan, future Minny first round pick, they have their own first round pick next season, and they have contracts to match the salary (Kaman or Marcus Camby). A combination of young talent and a big contract can beat any offer we can make that doesn't involve Joe Johnson.

We can even look at the LA's big market team and if Toronto likes Andrew Bynum they can make a more simpler trade work. Toronto would only have to worry about facing Chris Bosh two times a year instead of the four times if they traded him within the East.

You continue to mention Horford but fail to realize that Chris Bosh plans on playing the 4, and not the 5. Care to explain or are you going to just ignore it again?

[Harry10]

You're right, it's about the best offer, and other teams can easily offer more. I mentioned the Clippers earlier, so I will just continue with them, because they have enough talent to acquire Chris Bosh.

Eric Gordon, Al Thorton, DeAndre Jordan, future Minny first round pick, they have their own first round pick next season, and they have contracts to match the salary (Kaman or Marcus Camby). A combination of young talent and a big contract can beat any offer we can make that doesn't involve Joe Johnson.

We can even look at the LA's big market team and if Toronto likes Andrew Bynum they can make a more simpler trade work. Toronto would only have to worry about facing Chris Bosh two times a year instead of the four times if they traded him within the East.

You continue to mention Horford but fail to realize that Chris Bosh plans on playing the 4, and not the 5. Care to explain or are you going to just ignore it again?

are you joking, or are you actually for real, i don't know because the information you have is just so bad. you do know that Bosh has played center for the last 4 years? Bosh/Villanueva , Bosh/Garbajosa , Bosh/Bargnani..... do you even watch NBA basketball?

yeah, thanks for taking what i said and repeating it back to me (re-read the post). Lakers and Heat can make a good offer, if they gave up Bynum or Beasely, but because of management, the Lakers and Heat are not interested in giving up their young prospects in a blink of an eye just for Bosh. unless something happen, the Lakers and Heat don't seem to be interested in giving up Andrew and Beas.

your delusion of the Clippers is just hilarious. if you think that Bosh would sign an offer to go to the "Clippers" then you are smoking something really really good.

[killbuckner]

Harry- last season the Raptors had Rasho, then they made the O'neal trade, and Bargnani was the Raptors center after he got shipped out. Personally I don't mind at all Bosh playing Center because Center is a made up position anyway- any guys he would have trouble covering would have just as much trouble covering him. Maybe you just didn't realize that Bargnani plays center for the Raptors?

[JoshB914]

You're right, it's about the best offer, and other teams can easily offer more. I mentioned the Clippers earlier, so I will just continue with them, because they have enough talent to acquire Chris Bosh.

Eric Gordon, Al Thorton, DeAndre Jordan, future Minny first round pick, they have their own first round pick next season, and they have contracts to match the salary (Kaman or Marcus Camby). A combination of young talent and a big contract can beat any offer we can make that doesn't involve Joe Johnson.

We can even look at the LA's big market team and if Toronto likes Andrew Bynum they can make a more simpler trade work. Toronto would only have to worry about facing Chris Bosh two times a year instead of the four times if they traded him within the East.

You continue to mention Horford but fail to realize that Chris Bosh plans on playing the 4, and not the 5. Care to explain or are you going to just ignore it again?

are you joking, or are you actually for real, i don't know because the information you have is just so bad. you do know that Bosh has played center for the last 4 years? Bosh/Villanueva , Bosh/Garbajosa , Bosh/Bargnani..... do you even watch NBA basketball?

yeah, thanks for taking what i said and repeating it back to me (re-read the post). Lakers and Heat can make a good offer, if they gave up Bynum or Beasely, but because of management, the Lakers and Heat are not interested in giving up their young prospects in a blink of an eye just for Bosh. unless something happen, the Lakers and Heat don't seem to be interested in giving up Andrew and Beas.

your delusion of the Clippers is just hilarious. if you think that Bosh would sign an offer to go to the "Clippers" then you are smoking something really really good.

Remember when you wanted us to draft Yi a few years so he could be our center?

Bargnani is actually the Raptors' center. Bosh hasn't spent all that much time at the position at all. Although I do think you are right that he is capable of playing it since he is such a tough cover. Although defensive is another story...

[HMFFL]

Harry, actually I watch too much basketball, but you don't seem to watch enough to speak on this topic.

I simply picked one team that has enough talent and that's why I continued to mention the Clippers. I even stated that I would not research other teams for value because I felt the Clippers had enough and the first round pick(s) would be of interest to Toronto.

I also only said the first thing that has to be on Bosh's mind is signing a max contract. After you decided to comment on that (if that's what you want to call it) you basically went on about how more attractive Atlanta is and I disagreed. I don't see how the Atlanta or the Clippers ownership can be fully trusted, but I personally believe the Clippers would be more appealing.

Chris Bosh can obviously play the 5, but it's not his first position at the present time and he possibly prefers to play the 4. I am assuming this about Chris since Andrea Bargnani is the Raptors starting center, but you didn't seem to realize that.

[omeloon]

I don't think Bosh would pick ATL in 2010, but I think he would definitely re-sign with them after playing with Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson would be his Kobe, as he's somewhat of a Gasol needing a more potent scorer/creator to feed off of. As long as we're getting Marvin and Horford, I have no problem giving up as much as Calderon and Bosh. Those two would fit perfectly with Johnson, I think.