Summer of 2010.... What will Hawks do?

ATL DirtyBird · Post #1 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:12 am

Joe looks destined to walk, and honestly we need him to walk if we ever wanna contend. I know we are restricted by the salary cap but what will we do if and when Joe walks? Realistic thoughts. Please no ludicrous trade scenarios.

Hawkeyes · Post #2 » by **Hawkeyes** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:18 am

I don't think there is much we can do. Our best option is to try and resign Joe, because I believe there would be a big drop off if we just let him go. I'm not sure how we are able to contend if our best all around player leaves, because it's not like we can go out and sign anyone to replace him.

ATL DirtyBird · Post #3 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:21 am

^^^ Dont you get the feeling that hes gonna bounce after this season? Thats my question where will go? Get a lower tier star?

Post #4 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:38 am

Probably just focus on our bench because the starters would look like this....

Mike Bibby
Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Al Horford

Post #5 » by **wizardg** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:48 am

What makes you think Joe will leave?
Based on his personal success here in the A. The teams success. The fact that he's a Southener and the Hawks can pay him more than anyone else I think the odds are in favor of his return to the highlight factory.

And the A is a great city for young black men in terms of women, business opts, events, and real estate.
But I'm biased. I left NY for LA and then left LA for the A, and never looked back.

ATL DirtyBird · Post #6 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:32 am

Because all signs are pointing to him leaving. ALl the interviews ive heard him in he seems to want to. I want him to only if we can improve the team but who knows if we can.

Post #7 » by **dms269** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:51 pm

SneakerKing33 wrote:honestly we need him to walk if we ever wanna contend.

I have no idea how you can say that. A team of Bibby/Crawford/Marvin/Smith/Horford is not a contending team. If Joe leaves we don't have a true star. Basically we would be stuck with either trading away our young talent for more established talent and trying to win, rebuild by trading away the players for youth and picks, or be mediocre.

ATL DirtyBird · Post #8 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:56 pm

^^^I said that only if we can findba way to improve withbhim leavig otherwise he needs to stay

Harry10 · Post #9 » by **Harry10** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:33 pm

Like i said earlier, i think the Hawks should follow this flow chart.

plan A. resign Joe: he wants max, but this is the safe move, but again, max for Joe would make me wince, especially with having to resign Horford

plan B. go after a top free agent: i love teams that makes big moves, and the Hawks rarely ever make big moves, but Sunds did make the Crawford move, which i approved of. it is risky, but i would do it to get a top 5 player

plan C. sign Josh Howard, Ray Allen, Camby, Raja Bell, Rudy Gay, or Travis Outlaw at a discount: i'm growing more and more accepting of this plan. i'm on the fence as who should be number one on the list, Howard, Camby, or Gay.

plan D. TMac: only to a one year deal or deal similar to Joe Smith.

Post #10 » by **dms269** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:30 pm

I really think Camby is going to stay in LA. Reports are that his family love it there so he will probably stay there until he retires.

raleigh · Post #11 » by **raleigh** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:54 pm

SneakerKing33 wrote:Because all signs are pointing to him leaving.

As in...?

He'll go where he gets offered the best chance to win and make money.

Post #12 » by **pja123** » Tue Jan 5, 2010 12:23 am

If Joe wants to play for another team, I think Sund needs to do everything in his power to swing a sign-and-trade of some sort. We'll be over the cap, even if Joe walks, so we'd take a huge step back if we got no value in return.

I think a reasonable sign-and-trade would be Johnson to New Jersey for Courtney Lee, Eduardo Najera, & Yi Jianlian.

This would strengthen our bench and allow us to use our mid-level to fill another hole or just keep our payroll at a reasonable level so we can afford to re-sign Horford.

PG-Mike Bibby/Jeff Teague
SG-Courtney Lee/Jamal Crawford
SF-Marvin Williams/Eduardo Najera/Mo Evans
PF-Josh Smith/Yi Jianlian
C-Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia/1st round pick (Greg Monroe)

Harry10 · Post #13 » by **Harry10** » Tue Jan 5, 2010 11:33 am

^ if a sign and trade is the best the Hawks can do then:

SAS: Joe for Jefferson and contracts
this gives Joe a chance to get max on a playoff team. Rich has a big contract but is decent and i think would be more productive in the Hawks run n gun system rather than the Spurs slow down game. also Rich's contract is expiring in 2011.

DEN: Joe for Billups and JR Smith
i know you might think that DEN would not trade away Billups, but he is getting older and Lawson is developing faster then expected. this would give the Nuggets a chance at having a line up of Melo/Joe/Law. Billups knows Woody's system, and could keep the Hawks competitive for 2 more years.

NJN: Yi, Lee (or Terence)
i really don't know why you think the Nets or Joe would consider doing a sign and trade when the Nets have the cap space to offer Joe max straight up, and Joe is unrestricted, but if you think they would be nice to do so, then cool for us.

theatlfan · Post #14 » by **theatlfan** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:03 am

I've always wondered why people freak out and say "Joe will walk for nothing!!!!"... why would he do that? Who has both the cap space and enough of a team to lure him away? Sure, there's a possibility that someone like NJN or NYK can lure him with the allure of a big market, but I don't think that's ever been high on JJ's list of priorities. MIA scares me a little, but I can't see JJ opting to play 2nd fiddle to D-Wade when he could be the #1 option here.

[quote="Harry10DEN: Joe for Billups and JR Smith
i know you might think that DEN would not trade away Billups, but he is getting older and Lawson is developing faster then expected. this would give the Nuggets a chance at having a line up of Melo/Joe/Law. Billups knows Woody's system, and could keep the Hawks competitive for 2 more years.[/quote]
Of all the SNTs I've seen involving JJ, this one makes the most sense for me. We'd prolly need to make a secondary move with Bibby, but I like this one.

evildallas · Post #15 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:23 am

Realistically, I think that if Joe decides he really wants to go elsewhere that we move Jamal to the starting lineup and try to add a bench scorer instead of a starting SG. We don't have the cap room to replace Joe with someone of his caliber and we still have a lockout likely in 2011 which might contribute to a wait until later attitude.

raleigh · Post #16 » by **raleigh** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 5:30 am

If Joe leaves, you have to trade Bibby. The only reason he's in Atlanta is to play off of Joe.

I'd probably trade him to Portland for Miller or something like that, if I were GM.

MaceCase · Post #17 » by **MaceCase** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:50 am

A combination of or one of Larry Hughes, Nate Robinson and Mike Miller seem like the best we can get as a replacement on the wings for Joe using our MLE. Chances are that all we can get for Joe in an offseason sign and trade will most likely be a TPE with the best case scenario of a pick or late picks being included with possibly a low level prospect. Outside of that I don't expect much but if we are looking at Jamal being the starter next season I sure wouldn't mind the versatility of Mike Miller off the bench shoring up the G/F position.
Gay is a very unlikely scenario considering he wanted a 5 year 50 million deal so that puts him way out of our capabilities and I'm sure that vets like Ray Allen and Ginobili wish to remain with their respective teams for deep discounts rather than chase money elsewhere. Either way I'm not complaining, basketball off season is always rough on me, would be nice to see a little summer intrigue and new faces to spice it up.

Harry10 · Post #18 » by **Harry10** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 10:32 am

mrhonline wrote:If Joe leaves, you have to trade Bibby. The only reason he's in Atlanta is to play off of Joe.

I'd probably trade him to Portland for Miller or something like that, if I were GM.

i think Crawford/Bibby could work just as good as Joe/Bibby. i don't think you can put Bibby with a guy like Ray Allen or Rip, but i think Crawford has enough PG skills to allow Bibby to keep doing what he is doing now.

raleigh · Post #19 » by **raleigh** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:29 pm

JJ is about 50x the defensive player that Crawford is. Bibby/Crawford would be abysmal over long stretches.

Post #20 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:56 pm

mrhonline wrote:If Joe leaves, you have to trade Bibby. The only reason he's in Atlanta is to play off of Joe.

I'd probably trade him to Portland for Miller or something like that, if I were GM.

Andre Miller makes more money and has no range. We already have a lack of 3-point shooters, so if Joe leaves, and if we trade Mike Bibby for Andre Miller we won't have many options. Jamal would start at the 2 next year and that only leaves us with Mo Evans on our bench who can make them if he accepts his player option. Obviously we can find a 3-point shooter during free agency, but it's still a gamble.