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+ Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:11 pm
by dejaman
Why not throw the farm at Rudy Gay this Offseason? IMO he has more upside than JJ, is an above the rim star in the making, is younger, and gives you the same type of offensive numbers as JJ. I know that he is a RFA but the Grizzlies will be up for sale soon and they may not want to match a near max deal.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:37 pm
by raleigh
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:15 pm
by ATL DirtyBird
I would love Rudy. Hes been great in the clutch all year.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:11 am
by evildallas
mrhonline wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
I guess you are tired of explaining that if Joe leaves and we renounce other cap holds that we'll still only have about 7M under the cap to spend.
I won't bother pointing out how that offer wouldn't land Gay.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:47 am
by Hood President
if we get rid of woodson than yes.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:41 am
by NWO4Life
I wonder what a + Chris Bosh - Joe Johnson would look like...
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:13 pm
by dejaman
mrhonline wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Wow, spare me the salary cap lesson, your assumption is that the Hawks are unwilling/unable to pay a luxury tax to keep up with some of the leagues better teams .
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/19/11-nba-teams-set-to-pay-luxury-tax/Lakers, Mavs, Celtics, Cavs, Nuggets, Magic are all set to spend more than the league limit, if the Hawks are serious about contending for a title they may have to ante up.
Now back to the topic, what are your thoughts on Rudy Gay as a potential replacement for JJ?
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:33 pm
by HoopsGuru25
dejaman wrote:mrhonline wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Wow, spare me the salary cap lesson, your assumption is that the Hawks are unwilling/unable to pay a luxury tax to keep up with some of the leagues better teams .
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/19/11-nba-teams-set-to-pay-luxury-tax/Lakers, Mavs, Celtics, Cavs, Nuggets, Magic are all set to spend more than the league limit, if the Hawks are serious about contending for a title they may have to ante up.
Now back to the topic, what are your thoughts on Rudy Gay as a potential replacement for JJ?
You have to be kidding me. The Hawks can't just "throw the farm" at Rudy Gay & it has NOTHING to do with their willingness to pay the luxury tax.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:19 pm
by dms269
dejaman wrote:mrhonline wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Wow, spare me the salary cap lesson, your assumption is that the Hawks are unwilling/unable to pay a luxury tax to keep up with some of the leagues better teams .
Are you sure you don't need the salary cap lesson?
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:27 am
by tontoz
dejaman wrote:mrhonline wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Wow, spare me the salary cap lesson, your assumption is that the Hawks are unwilling/unable to pay a luxury tax to keep up with some of the leagues better teams .
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/19/11-nba-teams-set-to-pay-luxury-tax/Lakers, Mavs, Celtics, Cavs, Nuggets, Magic are all set to spend more than the league limit, if the Hawks are serious about contending for a title they may have to ante up.
Now back to the topic, what are your thoughts on Rudy Gay as a potential replacement for JJ?
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:37 am
by Harry10
i think a more realistic maybe even better option would be signing Ray Allen or Raja Bell.... and have Ray/Crawford back court. it would be some what small, but still be a bigger back court than Miami, Cleveland, and Orlando
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:28 am
by evildallas
Dejaman, a quick explanation on how a team wildly exceeds the salary cap.
1. It takes time to accomplish. The rules prevent you from going wildly above just by spending in one off-season.
2. You overpay your own free agents utilizing Bird rights that allow a team to exceed the cap to retain their own players
3. You use your exceptions to the fullest.
4. You trade large contracts before as they expire for better players from teams looking to rebuild rather that let the contracts come off the books.
Congratulations you now have a payroll only a billionaire could tolerate.
The Hawks only have Bird rights on Joe Johnson and Josh Childress. They flirt with luxury tax by maxing out Joe. They would exceed it by coming to terms with Josh (very unlikely). League rules prevent offering any other free agents more than the MLE or space under the cap if Joe and Josh leave or are renounced. We could offer another free agent more in a sign and trade, but to do so we'd have to give up people that the other team covets in return (unlikely they value anyone we'd want to deal).
P.S. - The Hawks are not owned by billionaires.
Re: + Rudy Gay - Joe Johnson
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:18 pm
by dejaman
^ Thanks!