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No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2)

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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#581 » by Triple7 » Tue May 9, 2023 2:26 am

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Tatum get trashed on this forum for forcing tough shots at the end of games early in his career. Now he gets flamed for making the correct play and passing to the open shooter who....hit the shot btw.

The dumb move was running the clock down but Tatum absolutely made the correct play.



The correct play isn't Smart shooting a 30 foot hero dagger.

Yes it is. It was two wide open shots. He had a great look at the first. And he made the second.

You guys are silly if you think that isnt a good shot.


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That was a good shot, but with the wrong guy taking it. If smart wasn’t inside, that could have been easily brog or white. Teams will always double down on JT, and wouldn’t mind Smart taking wide open shots, even if smart gets lucky, they will live with it.
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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#582 » by Celts17Pride » Tue May 9, 2023 2:49 am

Celtics have two all-stars and late in the game they have one of them (Jaylen Brown) go stand in the corner. Any coach with half a brain would say to themselves "Hey something isn't right here". Yes Marcus Smart makes some shots but the other coach will live with that. Late in the game you want to involve your best offensive players.

Tatum/Brown two man game should be the only play run in the last 2 minutes of a game. Put fear in the other team, give them something to think about.
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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#583 » by ballup » Tue May 9, 2023 2:56 am

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ballup wrote:It made no sense to have Tatum guard Embiid on that last shot. Embiid was having so much trouble against Horford. Tatum wasn't getting help by the time Embiid got close enough to put up a shot. There was no commitment to a double. Jaylen screws up by doubling on the strong side. Maybe Horford has this sixth sense to help at the very last moment, but it really did seem like Embiid needed to see a double when he was that deep. Even if Horford was in the same situation as Tatum where he gives up the same ground, Tatum is more equipped to provide help from the weakside and be able to contest the Tucker corner 3.

It made sense to switch up the defensive assignments when throughout the game, but this is the last couple of possessions. You need Horford on Embiid.

I liked what Joe did with the coverage, mixing up Tatum and Smart as initial defenders on Embiid with Horford ready to help at the rim.

Horford was already there to double and staring at the play develop. He kinda hedged, though, to prevent a pass to a Tucker corner three. A difficult two by Embiid is probably a very good outcome for the Celtics in that spot. At worst they go to 2nd OT where they'd have the fitness advantage. In any case Jaylen should've trusted the vet Horford to know when to commit to the double, especially when he was tasked with defending Harden who was killing us in the clutch.


Like I said, it is fine to mix up coverage throughout the game. The last couple of possessions arent the time to do that when only one player, maybe two, can hold off Embiid. You put your best defender on their star in those situations

Horford did not commit to the double on time. He would be late at the rate Embiid was attacking and where Horford was positioned. Jaylen doubled at the right time, but he was the wrong person to do it.

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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#584 » by Triple7 » Tue May 9, 2023 3:21 am

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ballup wrote:It made no sense to have Tatum guard Embiid on that last shot. Embiid was having so much trouble against Horford. Tatum wasn't getting help by the time Embiid got close enough to put up a shot. There was no commitment to a double. Jaylen screws up by doubling on the strong side. Maybe Horford has this sixth sense to help at the very last moment, but it really did seem like Embiid needed to see a double when he was that deep. Even if Horford was in the same situation as Tatum where he gives up the same ground, Tatum is more equipped to provide help from the weakside and be able to contest the Tucker corner 3.

It made sense to switch up the defensive assignments when throughout the game, but this is the last couple of possessions. You need Horford on Embiid.

I liked what Joe did with the coverage, mixing up Tatum and Smart as initial defenders on Embiid with Horford ready to help at the rim.

Horford was already there to double and staring at the play develop. He kinda hedged, though, to prevent a pass to a Tucker corner three. A difficult two by Embiid is probably a very good outcome for the Celtics in that spot. At worst they go to 2nd OT where they'd have the fitness advantage. In any case Jaylen should've trusted the vet Horford to know when to commit to the double, especially when he was tasked with defending Harden who was killing us in the clutch.


Like I said, it is fine to mix up coverage throughout the game. The last couple of possessions arent the time to do that when only one player, maybe two, can hold off Embiid. You put your best defender on their star in those situations

Horford did not commit to the double on time. He would be late at the rate Embiid was attacking and where Horford was positioned. Jaylen doubled at the right time, but he was the wrong person to do it.

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Yeah. But we have 19secs to score. A lot could have happened if we opted to attack early, and not settle for a one shot win or lose scenario. 19 secs is a life time. Could have had 3-4 plays with that time. Worse, we didn’t even got a shot off in that time. Inexcusable! This is mostly on Joe.
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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#585 » by ballup » Tue May 9, 2023 12:35 pm

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ballup wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:I liked what Joe did with the coverage, mixing up Tatum and Smart as initial defenders on Embiid with Horford ready to help at the rim.

Horford was already there to double and staring at the play develop. He kinda hedged, though, to prevent a pass to a Tucker corner three. A difficult two by Embiid is probably a very good outcome for the Celtics in that spot. At worst they go to 2nd OT where they'd have the fitness advantage. In any case Jaylen should've trusted the vet Horford to know when to commit to the double, especially when he was tasked with defending Harden who was killing us in the clutch.


Like I said, it is fine to mix up coverage throughout the game. The last couple of possessions arent the time to do that when only one player, maybe two, can hold off Embiid. You put your best defender on their star in those situations

Horford did not commit to the double on time. He would be late at the rate Embiid was attacking and where Horford was positioned. Jaylen doubled at the right time, but he was the wrong person to do it.

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Yeah. But we have 19secs to score. A lot could have happened if we opted to attack early, and not settle for a one shot win or lose scenario. 19 secs is a life time. Could have had 3-4 plays with that time. Worse, we didn’t even got a shot off in that time. Inexcusable! This is mostly on Joe.
Both were issues that could have been mitigated with good planning from Joe

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Re: No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#587 » by jfs1000d » Tue May 9, 2023 4:54 pm

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The correct play isn't Smart shooting a 30 foot hero dagger.

Yes it is. It was two wide open shots. He had a great look at the first. And he made the second.

You guys are silly if you think that isnt a good shot.


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That was a good shot, but with the wrong guy taking it. If smart wasn’t inside, that could have been easily brog or white. Teams will always double down on JT, and wouldn’t mind Smart taking wide open shots, even if smart gets lucky, they will live with it.


I vehemntly disagree. If Rob Williams was out there shooting a 3, then the guy got the ball in the wrong place. For Smart, he was in the correct spot and took a shot that he can make, quite regularly. He's a good enough shooter to take that.

If he is on the floor, in that spot on the wing. He is there to take that shot.

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