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A thank you to Danny Ainge

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Re: A thank you to Danny Ainge 

Post#21 » by celtxman » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:46 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I think we ought to be thanking Sam Presti for giving us Horford back for Ainge's folly, Kemba Walker.

It was a very complicated time. Ainge tragically held onto the idea of Irving and Anthony Davis that ultimately cost Ainge his job. Irving gave the Celtics and the fans the middle finger. But Horford quickly snuck out the door while it was open. More money in Philly, more playing PF with Embiid at C and a possible sinking ship in Boston. Ainge had to make a quick pivot with the gain of cap space. At the time I wrote I "understood " why Ainge signed Walker but I was more upset that he didn't trade Irving when he was called by the Clippers and 10 days before the deadline and Irving infamously said of Boston "I don't owe anyone Sh$*."
Ainge's folly was digging his heels in with Irving. So I was totally upset with the result, Walker did at least play at an All Star level. But the irony was that this player who was an "iron man" player who could be relied on, became the opposite.
No one, not even Brad Stevens, envisioned just how good Horford's renaissance would be. He was used poorly in Philly but he looked like he might really be declining. But maybe he could still help at a position of need and certainly mentor younger players. Stevens quickly contacted Presti before anyone else went after OKC'S cap space. It was a great move that turned out brilliant.
Overall I liked Ainge. But he missed opportunities to win more championships with t&e Big Three Era and he fell in love with Irving and didn't consider his lack of character.
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Re: A thank you to Danny Ainge 

Post#22 » by chakdaddy » Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:21 pm

Titles are never guaranteed. I'm thrilled his brilliant choices of JB and JT outweighed his inexcusable choice of Olynyk over Giannis.
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Post#23 » by BK_2020 » Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:28 pm

I'm not ready to thank Danny Ainge for a title won several years after he left the franchise. That'd be like thanking Pitino for the 2008 title for drafting Paul Pierce which, btw, was a bigger coup than Ainge getting Tatum or Jaylol Brown.
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Re: A thank you to Danny Ainge 

Post#24 » by celtxman » Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:25 pm

chakdaddy wrote:Titles are never guaranteed. I'm thrilled his brilliant choices of JB and JT outweighed his inexcusable choice of Olynyk over Giannis.

Yes. Prokhorov gifted the Celtics the Brooklyn picks after incredibly having a fire sale of Brooklyn players that could only help the Celtics. But Ainge totally nailed it. He saw that Tatum was better than Ball and Fultz. And there was almost no one who thought Brown was the 3rd pick and that decision was booed by the Celtics faithful on draft night.
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Re: A thank you to Danny Ainge 

Post#25 » by chakdaddy » Sun Aug 11, 2024 1:59 am

BK_2020 wrote:I'm not ready to thank Danny Ainge for a title won several years after he left the franchise. That'd be like thanking Pitino for the 2008 title for drafting Paul Pierce which, btw, was a bigger coup than Ainge getting Tatum or Jaylol Brown.


It was a coup in the sense it was a huge stroke of luck that he dropped to us. But he was an obvious choice at that point. So he gets no cookie for a clever pick.

Meanwhile Ainge got the #3 pick in a consensus 2 man draft...and out of a half dozen plausible options picked the future NBA finals MVP. The next year he had the #1 pick with a consensus #1 prospect - and he passed him up to take a future first team all NBA champion.

Those are huge, bold wins. Cookie awarded.

Of course, it was a bold unorthodox move to take JR Giddens over DeAndre Jordan, and to take Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce, so it goes both ways.

Still, it's the difference between Joe Barry Carroll for Parish / McHale and Don Ford for James Worthy. Celtics titles are built from visionary moves, Lakers titles are built from gifts. Drafting Pierce was more of gift.

*What Celtics moves were gifts? I can only think of Robey for DJ. What Lakers moves were visionary? Very few, but the AD trade at least seemed fair in a quantity over quality sense.)
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Re: A thank you to Danny Ainge 

Post#26 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:15 am

celtxman wrote:
chakdaddy wrote:Titles are never guaranteed. I'm thrilled his brilliant choices of JB and JT outweighed his inexcusable choice of Olynyk over Giannis.

Yes. Prokhorov gifted the Celtics the Brooklyn picks after incredibly having a fire sale of Brooklyn players that could only help the Celtics. But Ainge totally nailed it. He saw that Tatum was better than Ball and Fultz. And there was almost no one who thought Brown was the 3rd pick and that decision was booed by the Celtics faithful on draft night.


The Kobe skullduggery and the recruitment of Shaq could be regarded as skill.

And of course the Lakers have made some good draft picks at times.

West was an outstanding GM for them.
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