Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[phincsfan]

I'm leaning towards the shooting part. Outside of Luke and Neems, everybody else can shoot the ball (not really Walsh also ). Teams know that and they have to respect that. A 7ftr like Luke and Neems can take advantage of a PnR to the basket of a drive to a lob. IMO, Springer will do more negative for the offensive end when he's on the floor. Play off him and crowd the paint with somebody. Not good for a team that relies on spacing. even if he plays for 5 minutes, it can't be during a close game.

The thing with Jordan if somebody says "hey, then why is Walsh getting minutes?" Because he's taller, longer and could make an impact not just on the defensive end but he can get rebounds. Gimme that guy over a 6'3" guy who can't shoot.

If the coaches don't trust you, it's pretty impossible to trust yourself.

To be fair, Springer is 6'4", not 6'3". And it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can get rebounds but Springer can't, when Springer is doing a much better job of rebounding this season..their TRB% so far this season:

Springer 13.8%
Walsh 6.7%

Of course, you do have to factor in that Springer has only played garbage time (where the stats don't mean as much and the competition is easier) whereas Walsh has played a decent % of his mins in non-garbage time, which could factor in to the discrepancy in their TRB%. But I'd still say it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can rebound but Springer can't.

I think it just comes down to the fact that Walsh was better in preseason than Springer, he's probably been better in practice. Walsh is younger, taller/longer so he has been getting more mins. Yet Walsh has even been struggling lately to get consistent mins - especially since KP returned to the lineup..and with Peterson possibly leapfrogging him in the rotation. So it does seem like Mazzulla prefers guys with more offensive skill to them - at least when it comes to non-bigs..

BTW, it's also worth noting some other stat comparisons this far this season with Springer and Walsh:
Steals %: Springer 6.1, Walsh 1.4
Assist %: Springer 16.2, Walsh 2.7
BPM: Springer -1.6, Walsh -4.6
FTr: Springer .571, Walsh, .038

(FTr is an indicator of a player's ability to drive the ball, pressure the rim, draw fouls, get to the FT line)

I'm just a fan, but it seems that Joe must not agree with advanced stats also.

[cl2117]

I'm leaning towards the shooting part. Outside of Luke and Neems, everybody else can shoot the ball (not really Walsh also ). Teams know that and they have to respect that. A 7ftr like Luke and Neems can take advantage of a PnR to the basket of a drive to a lob. IMO, Springer will do more negative for the offensive end when he's on the floor. Play off him and crowd the paint with somebody. Not good for a team that relies on spacing. even if he plays for 5 minutes, it can't be during a close game.

The thing with Jordan if somebody says "hey, then why is Walsh getting minutes?" Because he's taller, longer and could make an impact not just on the defensive end but he can get rebounds. Gimme that guy over a 6'3" guy who can't shoot.

If the coaches don't trust you, it's pretty impossible to trust yourself.

To be fair, Springer is 6'4", not 6'3". And it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can get rebounds but Springer can't, when Springer is doing a much better job of rebounding this season..their TRB% so far this season:

Springer 13.8%
Walsh 6.7%

Of course, you do have to factor in that Springer has only played garbage time (where the stats don't mean as much and the competition is easier) whereas Walsh has played a decent % of his mins in non-garbage time, which could factor in to the discrepancy in their TRB%. But I'd still say it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can rebound but Springer can't.

I think it just comes down to the fact that Walsh was better in preseason than Springer, he's probably been better in practice. Walsh is younger, taller/longer so he has been getting more mins. Yet Walsh has even been struggling lately to get consistent mins - especially since KP returned to the lineup..and with Peterson possibly leapfrogging him in the rotation. So it does seem like Mazzulla prefers guys with more offensive skill to them - at least when it comes to non-bigs..

BTW, it's also worth noting some other stat comparisons this far this season with Springer and Walsh:
Steals %: Springer 6.1, Walsh 1.4
Assist %: Springer 16.2, Walsh 2.7
BPM: Springer -1.6, Walsh -4.6
FTr: Springer .571, Walsh, .038

(FTr is an indicator of a player's ability to drive the ball, pressure the rim, draw fouls, get to the FT line)

I agree with your overall conclusion, but you can't use advanced stats (or any stats really) with a 24 minute sample size.

[redslastlaugh]

I'm leaning towards the shooting part. Outside of Luke and Neems, everybody else can shoot the ball (not really Walsh also ). Teams know that and they have to respect that. A 7ftr like Luke and Neems can take advantage of a PnR to the basket of a drive to a lob. IMO, Springer will do more negative for the offensive end when he's on the floor. Play off him and crowd the paint with somebody. Not good for a team that relies on spacing. even if he plays for 5 minutes, it can't be during a close game.

The thing with Jordan if somebody says "hey, then why is Walsh getting minutes?" Because he's taller, longer and could make an impact not just on the defensive end but he can get rebounds. Gimme that guy over a 6'3" guy who can't shoot.

If the coaches don't trust you, it's pretty impossible to trust yourself.

To be fair, Springer is 6'4", not 6'3". And it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can get rebounds but Springer can't, when Springer is doing a much better job of rebounding this season..their TRB% so far this season:

Springer 13.8%
Walsh 6.7%

(FTr is an indicator of a player's ability to drive the ball, pressure the rim, draw fouls, get to the FT line)

I agree with your overall conclusion, but you can't use advanced stats (or any stats really) with a 24 minute sample size.

Yea, there are no inferences I’d be drawing from Jaden Springers 24 mins this year.

In the big picture, considering age, size, offense & defense, intangibles… I am significantly higher on Walsh than Springer

[31to6]

To be fair, Springer is 6'4", not 6'3". And it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can get rebounds but Springer can't, when Springer is doing a much better job of rebounding this season..their TRB% so far this season:

Springer 13.8%
Walsh 6.7%

(FTr is an indicator of a player's ability to drive the ball, pressure the rim, draw fouls, get to the FT line)

I agree with your overall conclusion, but you can't use advanced stats (or any stats really) with a 24 minute sample size.

Yea, there are no inferences I’d be drawing from Jaden Springers 24 mins this year.

In the big picture, considering age, size, offense & defense, intangibles… I am significantly higher on Walsh than Springer

one can draw the inference that his coach doesn't think he's worth playing yet

[Hal14]

one can draw the inference that his coach doesn't think he's worth playing yet

Maybe the coach is making a mistake by not playing him

[Dogen]

I'm leaning towards the shooting part. Outside of Luke and Neems, everybody else can shoot the ball (not really Walsh also ). Teams know that and they have to respect that. A 7ftr like Luke and Neems can take advantage of a PnR to the basket of a drive to a lob. IMO, Springer will do more negative for the offensive end when he's on the floor. Play off him and crowd the paint with somebody. Not good for a team that relies on spacing. even if he plays for 5 minutes, it can't be during a close game.

The thing with Jordan if somebody says "hey, then why is Walsh getting minutes?" Because he's taller, longer and could make an impact not just on the defensive end but he can get rebounds. Gimme that guy over a 6'3" guy who can't shoot.

If the coaches don't trust you, it's pretty impossible to trust yourself.

To be fair, Springer is 6'4", not 6'3". And it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can get rebounds but Springer can't, when Springer is doing a much better job of rebounding this season..their TRB% so far this season:

Springer 13.8%
Walsh 6.7%

Of course, you do have to factor in that Springer has only played garbage time (where the stats don't mean as much and the competition is easier) whereas Walsh has played a decent % of his mins in non-garbage time, which could factor in to the discrepancy in their TRB%. But I'd still say it's a bit disingenuous to say Walsh can rebound but Springer can't.

I think it just comes down to the fact that Walsh was better in preseason than Springer, he's probably been better in practice. Walsh is younger, taller/longer so he has been getting more mins. Yet Walsh has even been struggling lately to get consistent mins - especially since KP returned to the lineup..and with Peterson possibly leapfrogging him in the rotation. So it does seem like Mazzulla prefers guys with more offensive skill to them - at least when it comes to non-bigs..

BTW, it's also worth noting some other stat comparisons this far this season with Springer and Walsh:
Steals %: Springer 6.1, Walsh 1.4
Assist %: Springer 16.2, Walsh 2.7
BPM: Springer -1.6, Walsh -4.6
FTr: Springer .571, Walsh, .038

(FTr is an indicator of a player's ability to drive the ball, pressure the rim, draw fouls, get to the FT line)

I agree with your overall conclusion, but you can't use advanced stats (or any stats really) with a 24 minute sample size.

All else aside, the part in bold is the smoking gun here. If Springer's shooting was coming along, Joe would be more likely to find minutes for him.

It's tough to determine what is happening. A case can be made that how can you evaluate a player's offensive ability in real games from such a small sample size. They must at least be seeing indicators in practice. It could be that Brad took a gamble in the Springer trade that Jaden would be further along the development curve by now.

It's still early, Jaden is still young, but there just isn't the opportunity on this team for Joe to improvise a lot of different lineups. Defending the crown is the priority.

I like Springer (obvs), but at this point I think I'd rather see Peterson in Boston and let Jaden take his wrath out on the G-League for a spell.

[31to6]

one can draw the inference that his coach doesn't think he's worth playing yet

Maybe the coach is making a mistake by not playing him

pretty sure Springer could come to my old man rec league and I'd put the clamps on him

[ConstableGeneva]

Last night was Springer's best game as a Celtic so far. But the best is yet to come.

[redslastlaugh]

After releasing BBall Paul, Detroit is $1.4 million under the salary floor, they must get back over it by today.

Could we solve their problem with a Jaden Springer for Wendell Moore straight up trade?

Jaden makes $4.018 million, exactly $1.48 million more than Moore’s $2.537 million, which places Detroit back into good standing to receive luxury tax distributions from the tax teams. And moves Boston off Springer for a look at a cheaper guy.

Anyway, Detroit has deadline today to make a move.

[Dogen]

After releasing BBall Paul, Detroit is $1.4 million under the salary floor, they must get back over it by today.

Could we solve their problem with a Jaden Springer for Wendell Moore straight up trade?

Jaden makes $4.018 million, exactly $1.48 million more than Moore’s $2.537 million, which places Detroit back into good standing to receive luxury tax distributions from the tax teams. And moves Boston off Springer for a look at a cheaper guy.

Anyway, Detroit has deadline today to make a move.

That is rather random, but interesting as it could help both teams. I like Springer and Detroit is one of the teams where I think he could flourish more.

Don't know much about Moore. Looks like he's not the answer for a bench player that would get minutes in Boston, but it doesn't really matter if he's mainly trade ballast. Does getting the tax down that much make the Walker IV signing more likely? That's the dilemma many on here want to solve.

[31to6]

Breaking news: against the Washington Wizards, Jaden Springer scored a point!
Sell high! Sell high!

[redslastlaugh]

Piston signed Javante McCoy (who?) to a free agent contract to bring them up above the salary minimum. So there … lol … that’s that then

After releasing BBall Paul, Detroit is $1.4 million under the salary floor, they must get back over it by today.

Could we solve their problem with a Jaden Springer for Wendell Moore straight up trade?

Jaden makes $4.018 million, exactly $1.48 million more than Moore’s $2.537 million, which places Detroit back into good standing to receive luxury tax distributions from the tax teams. And moves Boston off Springer for a look at a cheaper guy.

Anyway, Detroit has deadline today to make a move.

That is rather random, but interesting as it could help both teams. I like Springer and Detroit is one of the teams where I think he could flourish more.

Don't know much about Moore. Looks like he's not the answer for a bench player that would get minutes in Boston, but it doesn't really matter if he's mainly trade ballast. Does getting the tax down that much make the Walker IV signing more likely? That's the dilemma many on here want to solve.