That 2nd Half Was No Fun(der)! Loss vs OKC 1/5

[ConstableGeneva]

Boston went 3/21 on wide open shots (14.3%). That's like almost impressive in a way

C's need to work harder to get contested twos later in the clock. Pass that ball around and dribble into a crowd against an aggressive defense.

Later in the clock while also at the same time not taking too long to get into our sets and going later in the clock. It's almost impossible to do both, but all the good teams do it.

Regards to passing and movement, the Warriors do that as much as anyone. #1 in passes per game and they run around non-stop. 4th to last in attempt rate near the rim and 'cos they don't have a lot of good players, bottom third in efficiency. 16th in offensive rating.

Naturally, every team is different 'cos of their composition. So you base your system on the players you have. C's don't want to tire Tatum with all that movement (haven't checked but he's usually among last in distance traveled and speed). He already "loafs" during some possessions as it is. Holiday and Horford are old. KP might break his leg if he travels more than a mile per game. And there's a reason why they don't involve JB in more screening actions. He's not a very good screener and is more likely to screw up spacing and bump into teammates if you give him the freedom to move offball. So I guess we can ask PP, White, and Sam to run around more but for what purpose? The team already gets so many wide open shots. They just need to make more of them. I do wish we had more offball cutting overall to shift the defense.

Side-note: Cavs are unreal with their wide open 3-pt shooting. Something upwards of 45% range last I checked. (Still waiting for the gods of averages to strike them down, to no avail). C's were at the top last season at 41%.

Joe might also want to look at why Cs aren't able to turn turnovers into points consistently. Celtics are 29th in shot efficiency after opponent turnover. Hurt us again last night. Both teams had 16 turnovers but OKC doubled us up in pts off them (22 vs. 11). Just being average there like we were last season could get us a bump on offense considering it's generally one of the more efficient ways to score.

[bucknersrevenge]

C's need to work harder to get contested twos later in the clock. Pass that ball around and dribble into a crowd against an aggressive defense.

Later in the clock while also at the same time not taking too long to get into our sets and going later in the clock. It's almost impossible to do both, but all the good teams do it.

Regards to passing and movement, the Warriors do that as much as anyone. #1 in passes per game and they run around non-stop. 4th to last in attempt rate near the rim and 'cos they don't have a lot of good players, bottom third in efficiency. 16th in offensive rating.

Naturally, every team is different 'cos of their composition. So you base your system on the players you have. C's don't want to tire Tatum with all that movement (haven't checked but he's usually among last in distance traveled and speed). He already "loafs" during some possessions as it is. Holiday and Horford are old. KP might break his leg if he travels more than a mile per game. And there's a reason why they don't involve JB in more screening actions. He's not a very good screener and is more likely to screw up spacing and bump into teammates if you give him the freedom to move offball. So I guess we can ask PP, White, and Sam to run around more but for what purpose? The team already gets so many wide open shots. They just need to make more of them. I do wish we had more offball cutting overall to shift the defense.

Side-note: Cavs are unreal with their wide open 3-pt shooting. Something upwards of 45% range last I checked. (Still waiting for the gods of averages to strike them down, to no avail). C's were at the top last season at 41%.

Joe might also want to look at why Cs aren't able to turn turnovers into points consistently. Celtics are 29th in shot efficiency after opponent turnover. Hurt us again last night. Both teams had 16 turnovers but OKC doubled us up in pts off them (22 vs. 11). Just being average there like we were last season could get us a bump on offense considering it's generally one of the more efficient ways to score.

Great stat here. We don't fill lanes to score at the rim on the break. Instead we try to capitalize on wide open looks. Obviously we've been in the middle of the pack with that all year. Dips from Hauser, Holiday, even Brown and KP to a degree have been the reason for the drop. We're just flat out not making as many open looks as we used to. That's why his key is always going to be the shot margins. Have to give ourselves more opportunities than the other team which means among other things, forcing more turnovers on the hole.

[shackles10]

C's need to work harder to get contested twos later in the clock. Pass that ball around and dribble into a crowd against an aggressive defense.

Later in the clock while also at the same time not taking too long to get into our sets and going later in the clock. It's almost impossible to do both, but all the good teams do it.

Regards to passing and movement, the Warriors do that as much as anyone. #1 in passes per game and they run around non-stop. 4th to last in attempt rate near the rim and 'cos they don't have a lot of good players, bottom third in efficiency. 16th in offensive rating.

Naturally, every team is different 'cos of their composition. So you base your system on the players you have. C's don't want to tire Tatum with all that movement (haven't checked but he's usually among last in distance traveled and speed). He already "loafs" during some possessions as it is. Holiday and Horford are old. KP might break his leg if he travels more than a mile per game. And there's a reason why they don't involve JB in more screening actions. He's not a very good screener and is more likely to screw up spacing and bump into teammates if you give him the freedom to move offball. So I guess we can ask PP, White, and Sam to run around more but for what purpose? The team already gets so many wide open shots. They just need to make more of them. I do wish we had more offball cutting overall to shift the defense.

Side-note: Cavs are unreal with their wide open 3-pt shooting. Something upwards of 45% range last I checked. (Still waiting for the gods of averages to strike them down, to no avail). C's were at the top last season at 41%.

Joe might also want to look at why Cs aren't able to turn turnovers into points consistently. Celtics are 29th in shot efficiency after opponent turnover. Hurt us again last night. Both teams had 16 turnovers but OKC doubled us up in pts off them (22 vs. 11). Just being average there like we were last season could get us a bump on offense considering it's generally one of the more efficient ways to score.

I was being facetious, but I think you knew that lol.

Regarding turnovers into points... Wasn't there a time in the not too distant past where JB was amongst the league leaders in fast break points per game? Is he being asked to crash the glass more, we're just not getting as many turnovers in general so his chances are done, or what's going on exactly. Either way, it's not just a JB problem and we kinda stink on the break.

[ConstableGeneva]

Later in the clock while also at the same time not taking too long to get into our sets and going later in the clock. It's almost impossible to do both, but all the good teams do it.

Regards to passing and movement, the Warriors do that as much as anyone. #1 in passes per game and they run around non-stop. 4th to last in attempt rate near the rim and 'cos they don't have a lot of good players, bottom third in efficiency. 16th in offensive rating.

Naturally, every team is different 'cos of their composition. So you base your system on the players you have. C's don't want to tire Tatum with all that movement (haven't checked but he's usually among last in distance traveled and speed). He already "loafs" during some possessions as it is. Holiday and Horford are old. KP might break his leg if he travels more than a mile per game. And there's a reason why they don't involve JB in more screening actions. He's not a very good screener and is more likely to screw up spacing and bump into teammates if you give him the freedom to move offball. So I guess we can ask PP, White, and Sam to run around more but for what purpose? The team already gets so many wide open shots. They just need to make more of them. I do wish we had more offball cutting overall to shift the defense.

Side-note: Cavs are unreal with their wide open 3-pt shooting. Something upwards of 45% range last I checked. (Still waiting for the gods of averages to strike them down, to no avail). C's were at the top last season at 41%.

Joe might also want to look at why Cs aren't able to turn turnovers into points consistently. Celtics are 29th in shot efficiency after opponent turnover. Hurt us again last night. Both teams had 16 turnovers but OKC doubled us up in pts off them (22 vs. 11). Just being average there like we were last season could get us a bump on offense considering it's generally one of the more efficient ways to score.

I was being facetious, but I think you knew that lol.

Regarding turnovers into points... Wasn't there a time in the not too distant past where JB was amongst the league leaders in fast break points per game? Is he being asked to crash the glass more, we're just not getting as many turnovers in general so his chances are done, or what's going on exactly. Either way, it's not just a JB problem and we kinda stink on the break.

Yeah, I knew.

JB's been near the top of the league in raw volume 5 years running but not elite in efficiency. Topped at 76th percentile two seasons ago.

Efficiency off turnovers is just a subset of transition offense. We're average in the latter (elite last season). Total dumpster fire in the former (average last season).

[Shak_Celts]

via Chris Forsberg:

Jayson Tatum averages 11.6 potential assists for the season. Yesterday in OKC he had 15. The Celtics made ONE of those 15 shots (a Porzingis oop in transition). 6.7% shooting on Tatum feeds. Wild.

JT played the right way and didn't force anything. Was let down by his teammates esp in the 2nd half -- 0 pts from 5 of our top 8??. JB, a max player who deserves more criticism than regular bench players, scored a ton in the 1st half, but pooped the bed in the 2nd half. Had 5 potential assists whole game even as he had the ball as much as JT or maybe more. We got old JB for this game.

It’s funny how yall keep saying, he deserves more criticism, which he does get already, but nobody is disputing that. The problem is not criticizing the other people at all. And let’s not pretend that other people don’t make a lot of money too, 30 million a year is not pennies! Of course he deserved some of the criticism, but the others weren’t getting any. If he’s one of five players that didn’t score in the second half, where is all the criticism of the other two that are making $30 million a year? It gets real quiet when it’s them and not a person y’all have years long problems with. But go ahead and keep acting like it’s a problem with any criticism or the “most criticism.”

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[ConstableGeneva]

via Chris Forsberg:

Jayson Tatum averages 11.6 potential assists for the season. Yesterday in OKC he had 15. The Celtics made ONE of those 15 shots (a Porzingis oop in transition). 6.7% shooting on Tatum feeds. Wild.

JT played the right way and didn't force anything. Was let down by his teammates esp in the 2nd half -- 0 pts from 5 of our top 8??. JB, a max player who deserves more criticism than regular bench players, scored a ton in the 1st half, but pooped the bed in the 2nd half. Had 5 potential assists whole game even as he had the ball as much as JT or maybe more. We got old JB for this game.

It’s funny how yall keep saying, he deserves more criticism, which he does get already, but nobody is disputing that. The problem is not criticizing the other people at all. And let’s not pretend that other people don’t make a lot of money too, 30 million a year is not pennies! Of course he deserved some of the criticism, but the others weren’t getting any. If he’s one of five players that didn’t score in the second half, where is all the criticism of the other two that are making $30 million a year? It gets real quiet when it’s them and not a person y’all have years long problems with. But go ahead and keep acting like it’s a problem with any criticism or the “most criticism.”

No, you're asking why JB is getting more criticism than others. I'm not saying he should get more criticism than he's already getting.

EDIT: I was hammering PP and Sam during the game thread. I don't criticize White a ton 'cos I'm a fan of the individual player. Same with Smart when he was here. You can be both, but you already knew that.

EDIT2: I can only speak for myself. Can't speak for the other JB haters.

[Shak_Celts]

via Chris Forsberg:

JT played the right way and didn't force anything. Was let down by his teammates esp in the 2nd half -- 0 pts from 5 of our top 8??. JB, a max player who deserves more criticism than regular bench players, scored a ton in the 1st half, but pooped the bed in the 2nd half. Had 5 potential assists whole game even as he had the ball as much as JT or maybe more. We got old JB for this game.

It’s funny how yall keep saying, he deserves more criticism, which he does get already, but nobody is disputing that. The problem is not criticizing the other people at all. And let’s not pretend that other people don’t make a lot of money too, 30 million a year is not pennies! Of course he deserved some of the criticism, but the others weren’t getting any. If he’s one of five players that didn’t score in the second half, where is all the criticism of the other two that are making $30 million a year? It gets real quiet when it’s them and not a person y’all have years long problems with. But go ahead and keep acting like it’s a problem with any criticism or the “most criticism.”

No, you're asking why JB is getting more criticism than others. I'm not saying he should get more criticism than he's already getting.

EDIT: I was hammering PP and Sam during the game thread. I don't criticize White a ton 'cos I'm a fan of the individual player. Same with Smart when he was here. You can be both, but you already knew that.

EDIT2: I can only speak for myself. Can't speak for the other JB haters.

You can be a fan and also be honest with criticism of a player, criticize at all. Not once did I say he shouldn’t get more criticism, I asked why he was the only one. I already said how it’s crickets when White plays poorly. Only the people who wanted to let PP start and thought we could get something else for Jrue say anything about JH. If the logic is JB is max so he should get more criticism, then Jrue and White deserve more criticism than PP and Sam. PP and Sam’s gap in pay to theirs is similar to the gap between JB and DW/JH.

You don’t have to speak for everyone else, anyone could speak on it.

[ConstableGeneva]

It’s funny how yall keep saying, he deserves more criticism, which he does get already, but nobody is disputing that. The problem is not criticizing the other people at all. And let’s not pretend that other people don’t make a lot of money too, 30 million a year is not pennies! Of course he deserved some of the criticism, but the others weren’t getting any. If he’s one of five players that didn’t score in the second half, where is all the criticism of the other two that are making $30 million a year? It gets real quiet when it’s them and not a person y’all have years long problems with. But go ahead and keep acting like it’s a problem with any criticism or the “most criticism.”

No, you're asking why JB is getting more criticism than others. I'm not saying he should get more criticism than he's already getting.

EDIT: I was hammering PP and Sam during the game thread. I don't criticize White a ton 'cos I'm a fan of the individual player. Same with Smart when he was here. You can be both, but you already knew that.

EDIT2: I can only speak for myself. Can't speak for the other JB haters.

You can be a fan and also be honest with criticism of a player, criticize at all. Not once did I say he shouldn’t get more criticism, I asked why he was the only one. I already said how it’s crickets when White plays poorly. Only the people who wanted to let PP start and thought we could get something else for Jrue say anything about JH. If the logic is JB is max so he should get more criticism, then Jrue and White deserve more criticism than PP and Sam. PP and Sam’s gap in pay to theirs is similar to the gap between JB and DW/JH.

You don’t have to speak for everyone else, anyone could speak on it.

How much criticism player A is getting than player B is very subjective. I wanna see the stats on this. I also don't read through the GT while I watch the game and post like 50 a game. So I'll just believe you when you say JB is getting hammered a ton and White/JH not so much (though objectively speaking, they're less prone to make mistakes than the Jays -- reason why Brad brought them in and traded away Smart in the first place is to stabilize our team).

[GrandTheftRondo]

One things for sure, Brown always deserves blame, white never deserves any.

JB was terrible in the 4th! Didn’t score a second half bucket as was stated. 2 turnovers. Struggled to shake loose from Dort. I won’t deny that.

He wasnt the only one stinking it up and if you’re excusing one as just missed shots he usually makes then why not do the same for jb? He missed 2ft shots that he’d normally make too. White was missing 26ft shots he’d normally make. Jb had 2to and white had 1 in the 4th.

Now that we’re past the 2 singled out, there were 3 other players who didn’t score a point in the second half that the comment mentioned. Do you know how many they scored in the entire game? 5! All three and we got 5 points. For the game. White and JB combined for 32. At least Jrue contributed something with 6 assists and 8rbs. Sam and PP combined to give us 2rbs and an assist.

JB stunk it up in the second half, criticize him, that’s par for the course really, the other 4 deserve some criticism too. Instead, another night of letting them slide with excuses that doesn’t fly when it’s JB.

Brown deserves more criticism than the others because he completely hijacks the offence in games like this and thinks he’s LeBron or something.

He isn’t, never has been and never will be.

Tatum who is simply better and gets better looks for the team gets shut out and the offence suffers.

I like Brown but his tunnel vision at times is infuriating.

White’s a role player who mostly shoots open shots. He rarely if ever takes the most shots on the team like Brown ends up doing in these ugly Brown games.

It’s funny how you believe he does whatever he wants, but doesn’t have a coach? Y’all have been saying this same stuff for YEARS and yet he’s still doing it! Let me know, if he’s not supposed to be doing it, why has no coach stopped it? Maybe, just maybe, they want him to do it? I could understand if this was the FIRST YEAR AND FIRST COACH that y’all have been saying this about him and it hasn’t changed (so yall say), but this is Coach 3. At some point it’s what they want and/or yall are just wrong.

Can confidently say no Celtics coach has ever wanted Jaylen taking over the offence all game and freezing out Tatum on multiple possessions down the stretch.

Brown also deserves more criticism when he plays bad compared to White etc because he is literally on the biggest deal in NBA history. Why should he be treated like a rookie?

[Tyakack]

After having some time to digest this, and calm down..........Man this game was some bulls***!!.

[Shak_Celts]

No, you're asking why JB is getting more criticism than others. I'm not saying he should get more criticism than he's already getting.

EDIT: I was hammering PP and Sam during the game thread. I don't criticize White a ton 'cos I'm a fan of the individual player. Same with Smart when he was here. You can be both, but you already knew that.

EDIT2: I can only speak for myself. Can't speak for the other JB haters.

You can be a fan and also be honest with criticism of a player, criticize at all. Not once did I say he shouldn’t get more criticism, I asked why he was the only one. I already said how it’s crickets when White plays poorly. Only the people who wanted to let PP start and thought we could get something else for Jrue say anything about JH. If the logic is JB is max so he should get more criticism, then Jrue and White deserve more criticism than PP and Sam. PP and Sam’s gap in pay to theirs is similar to the gap between JB and DW/JH.

You don’t have to speak for everyone else, anyone could speak on it.

How much criticism player A is getting than player B is very subjective. I wanna see the stats on this. I also don't read through the GT while I watch the game and post like 50 a game. So I'll just believe you when you say JB is getting hammered a ton and White/JH not so much (though objectively speaking, they're less prone to make mistakes than the Jays -- reason why Brad brought them in and traded away Smart in the first place is to stabilize our team).

Mistakes or bad playing it doesn’t matter, White and Jrue had a month or so of mediocre play. They aren’t even being guarded by any of the best players. If JT is getting the best, JB is getting the next best defender if it isn’t a big. I’m not saying hammer either player but to not say anything at all is wild.

Jrue, for instance, had to step up to #2 for a long time with the bucks. So teams knew it was set in stone who they had to guard, it wasn’t an up and down thing with no game plan. Look how he struggled. He’s not infallible. Their fans went in on him during the playoffs.

We may never know if white can continue being as great as he is if he is the number two for sure, not just once in a blue moon. Maybe if they trade JB they’ll put white into number two, but right now we don’t know how it is when defenses know he’s the next best player on a regular basis and game plan for that.

I still don’t understand why liking someone means you can’t criticize them. Especially when you don’t miss a beat on others. I’m sure you think I mean JB but you admit yourself that you went in on PP and SH. Pritchard can’t defend but he doesn’t make many mistakes either, he never tosses it away much at all. You had no problem letting that go to criticize him.

[Shak_Celts]

Brown deserves more criticism than the others because he completely hijacks the offence in games like this and thinks he’s LeBron or something.

He isn’t, never has been and never will be.

Tatum who is simply better and gets better looks for the team gets shut out and the offence suffers.

I like Brown but his tunnel vision at times is infuriating.

White’s a role player who mostly shoots open shots. He rarely if ever takes the most shots on the team like Brown ends up doing in these ugly Brown games.

It’s funny how you believe he does whatever he wants, but doesn’t have a coach? Y’all have been saying this same stuff for YEARS and yet he’s still doing it! Let me know, if he’s not supposed to be doing it, why has no coach stopped it? Maybe, just maybe, they want him to do it? I could understand if this was the FIRST YEAR AND FIRST COACH that y’all have been saying this about him and it hasn’t changed (so yall say), but this is Coach 3. At some point it’s what they want and/or yall are just wrong.

Can confidently say no Celtics coach has ever wanted Jaylen taking over the offence all game and freezing out Tatum on multiple possessions down the stretch.

Brown also deserves more criticism when he plays bad compared to White etc because he is literally on the biggest deal in NBA history. Why should he be treated like a rookie?

Literally answered this already. Besides that, you’re late, JB is literally NOT on the biggest deal in history. It might be Tatum, but I don’t care about other teams pay, so I could be wrong there.

Edit: you confidently say it, then why have people made that same complaint for so many seasons? If he keeps doing it, they must be allowing it. No?

Rookie? White was drafted one season after JB. Didn’t say white should be criticized MORE THAN JB.

[ConstableGeneva]

You can be a fan and also be honest with criticism of a player, criticize at all. Not once did I say he shouldn’t get more criticism, I asked why he was the only one. I already said how it’s crickets when White plays poorly. Only the people who wanted to let PP start and thought we could get something else for Jrue say anything about JH. If the logic is JB is max so he should get more criticism, then Jrue and White deserve more criticism than PP and Sam. PP and Sam’s gap in pay to theirs is similar to the gap between JB and DW/JH.

You don’t have to speak for everyone else, anyone could speak on it.

How much criticism player A is getting than player B is very subjective. I wanna see the stats on this. I also don't read through the GT while I watch the game and post like 50 a game. So I'll just believe you when you say JB is getting hammered a ton and White/JH not so much (though objectively speaking, they're less prone to make mistakes than the Jays -- reason why Brad brought them in and traded away Smart in the first place is to stabilize our team).

Mistakes or bad playing it doesn’t matter, White and Jrue had a month or so of mediocre play. They aren’t even being guarded by any of the best players. If JT is getting the best, JB is getting the next best defender if it isn’t a big. I’m not saying hammer either player but to not say anything at all is wild.

Jrue, for instance, had to step up to #2 for a long time with the bucks. So teams knew it was set in stone who they had to guard, it wasn’t an up and down thing with no game plan. Look how he struggled. He’s not infallible. Their fans went in on him during the playoffs.

We may never know if white can continue being as great as he is if he is the number two for sure, not just once in a blue moon. Maybe if they trade JB they’ll put white into number two, but right now we don’t know how it is when defenses know he’s the next best player on a regular basis and game plan for that.

I still don’t understand why liking someone means you can’t criticize them. Especially when you don’t miss a beat on others. I’m sure you think I mean JB but you admit yourself that you went in on PP and SH. Pritchard can’t defend but he doesn’t make many mistakes either, he never tosses it away much at all. You had no problem letting that go to criticize him.

Underlined is outright misinformation. I've seen White getting criticized for his shooting slump in December and Holiday for his poor play to start the season. I also kept pointing out how his shooting has gone in the dumps whenever I post the players TS%. They also get scolded in the GT (I don't even read every post and I notice this -- Holiday more than White). I am too lazy to search for said posts though. Not as much as JB but people have pointed their poor play a bunch of times.

I would never want White as the #2 even if I want his usage to go up. He's perfect as a complementary player. If we ever trade JB, a replacement #2 should be coming back. Turns out, KP can't be the #2 since he's made of glass.

(This is an odd discussion. Wish we could just talk about the game instead lol.)

[Shak_Celts]

How much criticism player A is getting than player B is very subjective. I wanna see the stats on this. I also don't read through the GT while I watch the game and post like 50 a game. So I'll just believe you when you say JB is getting hammered a ton and White/JH not so much (though objectively speaking, they're less prone to make mistakes than the Jays -- reason why Brad brought them in and traded away Smart in the first place is to stabilize our team).

Mistakes or bad playing it doesn’t matter, White and Jrue had a month or so of mediocre play. They aren’t even being guarded by any of the best players. If JT is getting the best, JB is getting the next best defender if it isn’t a big. I’m not saying hammer either player but to not say anything at all is wild.

Jrue, for instance, had to step up to #2 for a long time with the bucks. So teams knew it was set in stone who they had to guard, it wasn’t an up and down thing with no game plan. Look how he struggled. He’s not infallible. Their fans went in on him during the playoffs.

We may never know if white can continue being as great as he is if he is the number two for sure, not just once in a blue moon. Maybe if they trade JB they’ll put white into number two, but right now we don’t know how it is when defenses know he’s the next best player on a regular basis and game plan for that.

I still don’t understand why liking someone means you can’t criticize them. Especially when you don’t miss a beat on others. I’m sure you think I mean JB but you admit yourself that you went in on PP and SH. Pritchard can’t defend but he doesn’t make many mistakes either, he never tosses it away much at all. You had no problem letting that go to criticize him.

Underlined is outright misinformation. I've seen White getting criticized for his shooting slump in December and Holiday for his poor play to start the season. I also kept pointing out how his shooting has gone in the dumps whenever I post the players TS%. They also get scolded in the GT (I don't even read every post and I notice this -- Holiday more than White). I am too lazy to search for said posts though. Not as much as JB but people have pointed their poor play a bunch of times.

I would never want White as the #2 even if I want his usage to go up. He's perfect as a complementary player. If we ever trade JB, a replacement #2 should be coming back. Turns out, KP can't be the #2 since he's made of glass.

(This is an odd discussion. Wish we could just talk about the game instead lol.)

Game related. At least my initial point was. Also, talk about the game? We’re lucky to get 10 page threads, might as well discuss “other” things.

Don’t want to make another post;

You are the one who said you don’t criticize white because you like him and then later because he didn’t make many mistakes. That was to you not others there. Saying someone’s TS% isn't good isn’t criticism.

I could be wrong and mistaking you for someone else but I think I have seen you talking about White as #2 and not just this season. You weren’t one of the people in on JB scaling down to 3-4th on offense? I know it was multiple people. KP was the main one they wanted but I’m quite sure any time JB was out and White played well you (someone else) mentioned him as number 2. So many of yall when the going gets tough, my apologies if it wasn’t you.

[31to6]

After having some time to digest this, and calm down..........Man this game was some bulls***!!.

Gotta have a “win or learn” mindset, and I’m pretty confident Joe and the staff are going to take everything from it that they can

[Shak_Celts]

After having some time to digest this, and calm down..........Man this game was some bulls***!!.

Gotta have a “win or learn” mindset, and I’m pretty confident Joe and the staff are going to take everything from it that they can

Yeah, they do. They also have a win and learn mindset too. I don’t think we get beaten by the same team in the same way often. We win so much though, so I could be wrong, we’re don’t lose to the same team much for me to remember.

We are lucky fans! We’re also a young enough main cast that we can hope for improvement for a while longer. Not OKC young, but while JT is no longer 19, he’s only 26. White is 30 but he looks like he’ll be an old man still playing if injuries don’t get him. JB 28. Have all the other guys under that. 3 guys who are main and old/often injured, but we already know we’ll have to figure that out eventually. Then again, Horford can probably do 2 more seasons, and jrue maybe a lot more, KP is the one that’s a wish.

[Fierce1]

1st championship window
2024 to 2026

2nd window
2027 to 2029

3rd and final window for the Jays
2030 to 2032

[shackles10]

After having some time to digest this, and calm down..........Man this game was some bulls***!!.

Gotta have a “win or learn” mindset, and I’m pretty confident Joe and the staff are going to take everything from it that they can

Yeah, they do. They also have a win and learn mindset too. I don’t think we get beaten by the same team in the same way often. We win so much though, so I could be wrong, we’re don’t lose to the same team much for me to remember.

We are lucky fans! We’re also a young enough main cast that we can hope for improvement for a while longer. Not OKC young, but while JT is no longer 19, he’s only 26. White is 30 but he looks like he’ll be an old man still playing if injuries don’t get him. JB 28. Have all the other guys under that. 3 guys who are main and old/often injured, but we already know we’ll have to figure that out eventually. Then again, Horford can probably do 2 more seasons, and jrue maybe a lot more, KP is the one that’s a wish.

The rest of the group is younger but comparing JT to SGA solely we often forget they’re the same age. JT has just been in the spotlight much longer, so SGA gets the new shiny toy treatment.

[ConstableGeneva]

After having some time to digest this, and calm down..........Man this game was some bulls***!!.

Gotta have a “win or learn” mindset, and I’m pretty confident Joe and the staff are going to take everything from it that they can

Yeah, they do. They also have a win and learn mindset too. I don’t think we get beaten by the same team in the same way often. We win so much though, so I could be wrong, we’re don’t lose to the same team much for me to remember.

We are lucky fans! We’re also a young enough main cast that we can hope for improvement for a while longer. Not OKC young, but while JT is no longer 19, he’s only 26. White is 30 but he looks like he’ll be an old man still playing if injuries don’t get him. JB 28. Have all the other guys under that. 3 guys who are main and old/often injured, but we already know we’ll have to figure that out eventually. Then again, Horford can probably do 2 more seasons, and jrue maybe a lot more, KP is the one that’s a wish.

Since our meltdown to the Heat in the 1st 3 games of 2023 ECF, no one's "had our number". Even the Nuggets losses last season were both competitive. There was the annoying B2B losses to the Hawks last season but we had the #1 seed locked up by then.

FWIW, Celtics also don't lose a ton of 2nd nights of B2Bs despite having to rest at least one of their top 2 centers on those. Just six losses in Mazzulla era in SEGABABAs, tops in the league (DEN next with 9).

That plus being the only team with a 60%+ road win record (65.7%) during that span is a clear indication that we've got some great vets in that locker room with their heads on straight.