Jays Take A Nap In The Hammock, Celts Still Net The Win! Victory Cigar vs BKN 3/18

[ThePigeon]

Nice win.

VC to Baylor and KP. Both were great.

Baylor was awesome. This is what I liked about him at Creighton. He had a great game. 20 points in only 16 minutes and only on 8 shots. 7-8 from the field, 6-7 from 3, he played with energy. Great offensive rebound. Joe had no idea what to do with him late in the 4th quarter. He took him out for White. White could have come in for Al.

KP was great with 25, 13 and 3 blocks. The 13 rebounds might have been a season high. He did all of this on just 13 shots.

White had a great 3rd quarter. Jrue had a really good all around game.

Happy for Baylor! He had a really good game recently against the Sixers and a great game tonight. It took both Tatum and Brown being out for Joe to give him a chance. I don't expect Joe to play Baylor the next game when Tatum and Brown come back.

When Joe was asked why did he took Baylor out he said something like: "White is a starter and Baylor is a rookie". Like, duh, this is a dumb questions
We can learn that Joe does not fully believe in unknown commodities (young players over guys he knows), and he does not believe in riding the hot hand

I though Al played bad the last 4-5 minutes - an unforced TO, fouling before the ball comes into play and mediocre defense. Not his true self

[ParticleMan]

KP was dominant, showed he can still take over a game when called upon. If it weren't for Baylor's breakout this would be the storyline.

But Baylor's breakout was so fun. I was kinda expecting something like this at some point, he has shown flashes in Maine, and the guy is not lacking in confidence. Eventually he was going to have a breakout shooting game, just too good a shooter. Really happy for him.

In the last 4 games he has had double figures in minutes, and the two longest stints are when he scored 15 and 20 points. So Joe is definitely giving him extended minutes when he has the hot hand. The issues is that in the other two games he scored 0 and 3 points. As with so many young players its about consistency. Baylor is now earning his minutes, so he's getting them. He looks so much more in control and playing with a much higher IQ than earlier in the year. This guy will help us more and more in the future.

[ParticleMan]

Scheierman+Hauser > Just either of them

Nah. Hauser brings nothing but spot up shooting. Sadly he’s just too inconsistent having slumps on multiple consecutive games.

Well, we don't really know how consistent Scheierman can be. I'd rather have both on the bench and play the one that's feeling it.

As I've said before, it isn't Baylor vs Hauser, it's Baylor vs Pritchard. Baylor is much closer to PP in terms of the things he does on the floor. He is a ballhandler, a guy who can get where he wants to on the floor and create for others, in addition to shooting the 3 but also can score inside the arc. Hauser is strictly a 3 ball guy. Baylor is a 6-6 Pritchard, though not nearly as good. Yet.

Scheierman has the potential to be a more valuable than either Sam or PP. Both of those guys can be shut down in the playoffs when physicality and defense steps up. It remains to be seen how he can handle playoff physicality but at least he has some size and the ability to beat the D in multiple ways. Anyways Rico has a long ways to go but this was a nice flash to build on.

[phincsfan]

White had 13 in the 3rd

[Hal14]

Nice win.

VC to Baylor and KP. Both were great.

Baylor was awesome. This is what I liked about him at Creighton. He had a great game. 20 points in only 16 minutes and only on 8 shots. 7-8 from the field, 6-7 from 3, he played with energy. Great offensive rebound. Joe had no idea what to do with him late in the 4th quarter. He took him out for White. White could have come in for Al.

KP was great with 25, 13 and 3 blocks. The 13 rebounds might have been a season high. He did all of this on just 13 shots.

White had a great 3rd quarter. Jrue had a really good all around game.

Happy for Baylor! He had a really good game recently against the Sixers and a great game tonight. It took both Tatum and Brown being out for Joe to give him a chance. I don't expect Joe to play Baylor the next game when Tatum and Brown come back.

When Joe was asked why did he took Baylor out he said something like: "White is a starter and Baylor is a rookie". Like, duh, this is a dumb questions
We can learn that Joe does not fully believe in unknown commodities (young players over guys he knows), and he does not believe in riding the hot hand

I though Al played bad the last 4-5 minutes - an unforced TO, fouling before the ball comes into play and mediocre defense. Not his true self

But Al is a veteran. He's played a zillion crunch time mins in his career. It was a close game. Joe went with the guys late who he trusted to close it out and we got the win so there should be no complaints.

Besides, Baylor was out there for a very long stint. Much longer of a stint (especially in meaningful mins which is higher pressure, more intensity) than he's used to playing. So he was due for a breather anyways.

[Celts17Pride]

Easy for me, Scheierman for VC and KP for CP. Fun game!

[Celts17Pride]

Went Baylor, of course. Even beyond the shooting he had some nice cuts and overall hustle/ intensity. Not afraid of the money or to make plays.

Heat tip to White for doing his thing a quarter early tonight to set the stage for Baylor

DWhite was huge in the 3rd quarter.

[Hal14]

As I've said before, it isn't Baylor vs Hauser, it's Baylor vs Pritchard. Baylor is much closer to PP in terms of the things he does on the floor. He is a ballhandler, a guy who can get where he wants to on the floor and create for others, in addition to shooting the 3 but also can score inside the arc. Hauser is strictly a 3 ball guy. Baylor is a 6-6 Pritchard, though not nearly as good. Yet.

Eh, idk.

% of FGA from 3:
Pritchard 74.6
Hauser 85.6
Scheierman 71.1

% of FGA at Rim
Pritchard 11.2
Hauser 5.2
Scheierman 11.1

Assist % (indicator for creating for others)
Pritchard 17.5
Hauser 5.9
Scheierman 11.7

Usage % (indicator for ball handling)
Pritchard 18.6
Hauser 13.9
Scheierman 13.7

Of course, a lot of Baylor's numbers are in garbage time. But from watching the games, it seems like he's mainly just been used as a spot up shooter. I don't really see Baylor handling the ball very much, I don't see him driving to the basket much. I don't see a guy who can get where he wants to off the dribble. I see a tall wing shooter - similar to Hauser. I don't see a guy who can handle the ball, pass or drive to the basket like Pritchard can.

All 3 of these guys take the vast majority of their FGA from beyond the arc.

This was a great game for Baylor..but I would need to see more of it before I would seriously entertain the possibility of him competing for Pritchard or Hauser's minutes.

[Gant]

There were multiple benefits to pulling Scheierman after a long stint on the floor with just a few minutes to go. It allowed him to get that huge standing ovation. Then he got the big greeting from his teammates and coaches on the bench. And it solidified the end note, right at it's highest point.

He's come so far from his uninspiring summer league and preseason performances. Kudos to Scheierman for working hard, to Mazzulla and his coaching staff for bringing him along at a proper pace, and to Tyler Lashbrook and his staff in Maine.

[31to6]

Scheierman probably the first player ever to make two buzzer-beaters in less than 3 seconds of play.

maybe, but it brings this to mind:

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[ParticleMan]

As I've said before, it isn't Baylor vs Hauser, it's Baylor vs Pritchard. Baylor is much closer to PP in terms of the things he does on the floor. He is a ballhandler, a guy who can get where he wants to on the floor and create for others, in addition to shooting the 3 but also can score inside the arc. Hauser is strictly a 3 ball guy. Baylor is a 6-6 Pritchard, though not nearly as good. Yet.

Eh, idk.

% of FGA from 3:
Pritchard 74.6
Hauser 85.6
Scheierman 71.1

% of FGA at Rim
Pritchard 11.2
Hauser 5.2
Scheierman 11.1

Assist % (indicator for creating for others)
Pritchard 17.5
Hauser 5.9
Scheierman 11.7

Usage % (indicator for ball handling)
Pritchard 18.6
Hauser 13.9
Scheierman 13.7

OK, this is totally Low Sample Size Theatre but even the stats above show he is closer to PP than Sam. Only exception is usage but he is a rookie, at Creighton he was the #2 ballhandler on the team. I'm going more by what I see, and to me Baylor looks a lot more comfortable with the ball in his hand with the goal of creating for others than Sam does. Sam rarely dribbles more than once or twice, and that only to attack closeouts for a pull up j. PP is a better ballhandler than Baylor right now but give him a year or two.

Yeah of course Baylor is primarily a spot up 3 shooter, so is Pritchard. But Baylor's skillset beyond that looks closer to PP's. But as you say it's very early. Let's circle back in another year or two.

[djFan71]

Went Baylor, of course. Even beyond the shooting he had some nice cuts and overall hustle/ intensity. Not afraid of the money or to make plays.

Heat tip to White for doing his thing a quarter early tonight to set the stage for Baylor

DWhite was huge in the 3rd quarter.

Man, seeing my post quoted back there's some serious typos/autocowrongs. Heat tip instead of hat tip. And money instead of moment. I do like that Baylor's not afraid of the money though, lol. Lots of guys are...

[ConstableGeneva]

VC/CP:

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Congrats to Timi, Celtics superfan and the maker of these highlight videos, on his recent wedding.

[Celts17Pride]

Now hopefully Joe Mazzulla doesn't give Scheierman six straight DNPs.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Baylor looked unsure of himself early season, they let him find himself in the g by putting him in positions he’d be in with the big guys. He had his opportunity to get his feet wet and confidence. None of you can tell me he had this type of energy the first few times we saw him. He was tentative.

I guess Joe and Brad get no credit for giving him the opportunity to find himself. How many teams are bringing their first round pick off the bench in the G? None. That’s how you know they really believe in him, they let him get used to not being the center of it all and let him figure out how to still do him when other good players have the rope. That move alone made me believe from the moment they said it, they think he’ll be something, but he must fit.

Can't say enough about the work Stevens and the front office have done to turn Maine into an assembly line of rotation players for Boston.

[Shak_Celts]

As I've said before, it isn't Baylor vs Hauser, it's Baylor vs Pritchard. Baylor is much closer to PP in terms of the things he does on the floor. He is a ballhandler, a guy who can get where he wants to on the floor and create for others, in addition to shooting the 3 but also can score inside the arc. Hauser is strictly a 3 ball guy. Baylor is a 6-6 Pritchard, though not nearly as good. Yet.

Eh, idk.

% of FGA from 3:
Pritchard 74.6
Hauser 85.6
Scheierman 71.1

% of FGA at Rim
Pritchard 11.2
Hauser 5.2
Scheierman 11.1

Assist % (indicator for creating for others)
Pritchard 17.5
Hauser 5.9
Scheierman 11.7

Usage % (indicator for ball handling)
Pritchard 18.6
Hauser 13.9
Scheierman 13.7

OK, this is totally Low Sample Size Theatre but even the stats above show he is closer to PP than Sam. Only exception is usage but he is a rookie, at Creighton he was the #2 ballhandler on the team. I'm going more by what I see, and to me Baylor looks a lot more comfortable with the ball in his hand with the goal of creating for others than Sam does. Sam rarely dribbles more than once or twice, and that only to attack closeouts for a pull up j. PP is a better ballhandler than Baylor right now but give him a year or two.

Yeah of course Baylor is primarily a spot up 3 shooter, so is Pritchard. But Baylor's skillset beyond that looks closer to PP's. But as you say it's very early. Let's circle back in another year or two.

I am not in on this debate because I feel like we have both, it doesn’t matter to me until we have to part with one. Sam has helped us win a chip. Baylor is hopefully the future (maybe both are honestly).

I do want to say, when I saw those stats I thought the conclusion was going to be, “you’re right, that does look closer to what Pritchard does.” I was shocked when it wasn’t. I then thought maybe I misinterpreted it. It happens.

Edit: I’m also not talking about Rico vs. Pritch redundancy. We don’t know what Rico has, but we know what the other two have. I desperately hope Rico is better or as good as either of them, that’s a win for the Celtics, that’s all I care about. If X turns out to be better than Al, do you think I’m trying to get rid of Al? Give me both unless the owners say no. I’m happy we have who we have and I want them all to get better and better, unless they leave to a “rival!”

[Shak_Celts]

Jrue saved our skin a few times when things got away from us last night. Sometimes guys don’t get any credit but their contributions outside of stats matter. Thanks Jrue. Like Al, you may not get the shine, but we know what we have!