The disrespect directed towards Joe needs to stop.

[Fierce1]

Imagine watching this teams offensive play and not holding the coach accountable for it.

If the 3s aren't fallen, they have nothing. They didn't even know how to bypass the half court double team trap.

This dude is a fraud.

You're not really wrong, but if Tatum and Brown want a fraud coach then we're all stuck with Joe.

[The Corey's]

Imagine watching this teams offensive play and not holding the coach accountable for it.

If the 3s aren't fallen, they have nothing. They didn't even know how to bypass the half court double team trap.

This dude is a fraud.

You're not really wrong, but if Tatum and Brown want a fraud coach then we're all stuck with Joe.

Tatum has played his last game for Joe. Joe will be fired next year when **** really hits the fan because he won have the NBA best roster to carry his water.

[Fierce1]

Imagine watching this teams offensive play and not holding the coach accountable for it.

If the 3s aren't fallen, they have nothing. They didn't even know how to bypass the half court double team trap.

This dude is a fraud.

You're not really wrong, but if Tatum and Brown want a fraud coach then we're all stuck with Joe.

Tatum has played his last game for Joe. Joe will be fired next year when **** really hits the fan because he won have the NBA best roster to carry his water.

So you're saying Joe will still coach next season then eventually get fired?

[The Corey's]

You're not really wrong, but if Tatum and Brown want a fraud coach then we're all stuck with Joe.

Tatum has played his last game for Joe. Joe will be fired next year when **** really hits the fan because he won have the NBA best roster to carry his water.

So you're saying Joe will still coach next season then eventually get fired?

Of course he will. They don't fire coaches around here unless you bang your insubordinates.

[Garbanzo]

Imagine watching this teams offensive play and not holding the coach accountable for it.

If the 3s aren't fallen, they have nothing. They didn't even know how to bypass the half court double team trap.

This dude is a fraud.

I watch this team and I don't hold Joe accountable.
We have no one who can dribble past an opponent to initiate offence, and no post presence to compensate.
That leaves us with no real option but to try and generate threes.

[Roger Federer]

You have to fire this dbag.

[return2glory]

Brad needs to hire a real coach at this point. Joe had his shot.

Yes, had his shot. And he won a title - in just his 2nd season as the HC..his 1st season where he actually had his own assistants and had the offseason tro prepare for being the HC.

Keep him as an assistant.

It wouldn't be "keeping him as an assistant". That would imply he's an assistant right now.

That's not the case. He's the HC right now - not assistant.

So what you're actually saying is demote him from HC to assistant which is something that teams never do. If a guys is a HC and you want a different HC, you fire him..you don't demote him to asst. That's not something that ever happens.

Doc Rivers is one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA. Danny Ainge gift wrapped an NBA title for him by adding KG, Ray Allen, House, Cassell, Posey and PJ Brown to that 2008 team that had Pierce, Rondo and Perk. Even with that, the Celtics were taken to 7 games vs the Hawks in the 1st round.

Brad Stevens did the same thing last year for Joe by adding Jrue and KP to a stacked team that included Tatum, Brown and White.
We won a title last season with a great team and every team we faced in the playoffs, except for the Mavs had a top player or two out.

Get a new coach and keep Joe on the team and have him be one of the assistants. That's not implying he is an assistant now.

[playa-hater]

I keep going back and forth on Joe. He has to be better as a coach but there is something about coach Joe that I like. He is a good dude. That's the hard part.

If there is a chance we win game 5, I hope we win it for Joe.

I just want the best coach possible and could care less If "he is a good dude"

Chances are you won't like the next coach either, who ever that may be down the road.

I really like you as a poster..but this post baffles me a little bit. Mainly because in my eyes I think I have proven all my critiques of the previous coaches correct. It seems to me. Many posters attach themselves to the coaches and do not look with an unbiased eye.

Coach Stevens I always stated was brilliant. But I always stated he had trouble with egos. I said it before the rest of the Boston Celtic world caught on and I believe I can say. I was one hundred percent correct.

Coach IME I picked up early on with his unsophisticated. Offense and is non shooting philosophy in an era where shooting matters so much. His starting of Dennis Schroeder with Marcus, smart to surround Tatum and Brown with. I thought was a disaster and that was also a sign of his lack of offense, which I believe he proved With his series with the houston rockets. He was a rah rah defensive minded. Coach who can excel in a regular season but not necessarily Where coaching really mattered. Once again, I believe I was proven, right.

Last but not least call coach joe. People gave him a lot of leeway his first Year because he was a new coach. People said he was learning on the job. Why would a championship contender even consider hiring a new coach who was learning on the job? And yes, boston managed to win a championship in joe's second year, but just like with doc Rivers who once again has proven to be a horrible coach, if you have enough talent, you can overachieve and win it all. I can easily name a list of other championship level. Coaches who failed everywhere else.

Joe has proven to be stubborn, quite limited and certainly still extremely inexperienced with knowing how to properly run and change an offense when necessary. HIs in game coaching was always weak. His lack of flexibility has always scarred this team in big games. I stood alone for most of the year but now this season has ended. It appears most people agree with me.

So in my biased opinion, have I been wrong on any of these three coaches? Is it possible that I can recognize a good coach when I see one?

I have already stated my love for taylor jenkins and rick carlisle. Coaches who seemingly do great work with less to work with. Coaches who have the entire team moving the ball and playing together.

If anyone disagrees with me that is fine, that is their right. But I believe my track record on this subject can speak for itself.

Excuse my many typos, as I no longer care to make changes. Thank you.

[cloverleaf]

Tatum has played his last game for Joe. Joe will be fired next year when **** really hits the fan because he won have the NBA best roster to carry his water.

So you're saying Joe will still coach next season then eventually get fired?

Of course he will. They don't fire coaches around here unless you bang your insubordinates.

I thought the real issue was an investor-owner's wife?

But yeah, Joe's back.

Tatum's return, perhaps within 3 months of the start of the season, will be dangled as a carrot, so Joe probably won't have the incentive he needs to become a developmental head coach. At least he'll have Tatum's minutes to spray around early in the season.

[Larry_Russell]

Fire joe.

He has proven, beyond any doubt, that in his enture time as a head coach he has not been able to develop even a single other technique for when the shots dont fall.

Only shooting threes is stupid as ****.


Promote Cassell at no extra cost.

Bahbye joe

[strokerace]

As much as I would like to see a change in the coach I just don't see it happening.

[return2glory]

I just want the best coach possible and could care less If "he is a good dude"

Chances are you won't like the next coach either, who ever that may be down the road.

I really like you as a poster..but this post baffles me a little bit. Mainly because in my eyes I think I have proven all my critiques of the previous coaches correct. It seems to me. Many posters attach themselves to the coaches and do not look with an unbiased eye.

Coach Stevens I always stated was brilliant. But I always stated he had trouble with egos. I said it before the rest of the Boston Celtic world caught on and I believe I can say. I was one hundred percent correct.

Coach IME I picked up early on with his unsophisticated. Offense and is non shooting philosophy in an era where shooting matters so much. His starting of Dennis Schroeder with Marcus, smart to surround Tatum and Brown with. I thought was a disaster and that was also a sign of his lack of offense, which I believe he proved With his series with the houston rockets. He was a rah rah defensive minded. Coach who can excel in a regular season but not necessarily Where coaching really mattered. Once again, I believe I was proven, right.

Last but not least call coach joe. People gave him a lot of leeway his first Year because he was a new coach. People said he was learning on the job. Why would a championship contender even consider hiring a new coach who was learning on the job? And yes, boston managed to win a championship in joe's second year, but just like with doc Rivers who once again has proven to be a horrible coach, if you have enough talent, you can overachieve and win it all. I can easily name a list of other championship level. Coaches who failed everywhere else.


Joe has proven to be stubborn, quite limited and certainly still extremely inexperienced with knowing how to properly run and change an offense when necessary. HIs in game coaching was always weak. His lack of flexibility has always scarred this team in big games. I stood alone for most of the year but now this season has ended. It appears most people agree with me.

So in my biased opinion, have I been wrong on any of these three coaches? Is it possible that I can recognize a good coach when I see one?

I have already stated my love for taylor jenkins and rick carlisle. Coaches who seemingly do great work with less to work with. Coaches who have the entire team moving the ball and playing together.

If anyone disagrees with me that is fine, that is their right. But I believe my track record on this subject can speak for itself.

Excuse my many typos, as I no longer care to make changes. Thank you.

Listen, most fans don't like their coaches. If we had JJ Redick, we wouldn't like him either. That goes for most coaches on other teams. You mentioned 2 you like, that leaves another 28 that you and half or more fans would dislike or find faults with, including me.

I disagree with you on Brad. Brad was one of the greatest coaches in NCAA history. Guy was a basketball genius. He was really good in the pros. He didn't have enough talent to win a championship.

Ime was so so to me. I wanted Cassell over him. Turned out there were more important things for him than coaching.

Joe got a pass because he won a title. Yes it was gift wrapped title but none the less it was a title. He didn't blow it.
I agree he is stubborn. He made a lot of mistakes in this series that were obvious. This was one of if not the worst coaching playoff series in Celtics history.

To me Joe's time has run out. But the owners will probably bring him back next season. Were you right on Ime and Joe. Most likely. With Brad? Probably not. He did really good with the talent he had. The Irving thing destroyed the team for a few seasons. That was on Danny.

Being an NBA coach is a thankless job. That's my point. If we got either one of Taylor Jenkins and Rick Carlisle, you would be happy. Any other 28 positions, you would not be. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way. Only 1 coach out of 30 wins a title each year.

Even highly regarded coaches like Gregg Popovich and Bill Belichick were trash without great players. Bill Belichick was terrible without Brady. Coach Pop without great talent couldn't coach his team into the playoffs from most of the past 7 years.

[cloverleaf]

Fire joe.

He has proven, beyond any doubt, that in his enture time as a head coach he has not been able to develop even a single other technique for when the shots dont fall.

Only shooting threes is stupid as ****.


Promote Cassell at no extra cost.

Bahbye joe

If you promote Sam, you pay him for that level. But I'm not convinced he'd be the right guy anyway. I think they stick with Joe, but if somehow they don't they need to replacement with a great coach for the future.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

I have already stated my love for taylor jenkins and rick carlisle. Coaches who seemingly do great work with less to work with. Coaches who have the entire team moving the ball and playing together.

If anyone disagrees with me that is fine, that is their right. But I believe my track record on this subject can speak for itself.

Excuse my many typos, as I no longer care to make changes. Thank you.

Jenkins has been in the playoffs three times, has won one series and lost twice as the higher seed. Going strictly off his playoff resume (since you are on record not caring about the regular season to assess coaches), he has zero track record of doing more with less, quite the opposite. His locker room was also a mess most of his tenure. It's not the upgrade you think it is. Carlisle isn't available and doesn't want to come here.

[playa-hater]

I have already stated my love for taylor jenkins and rick carlisle. Coaches who seemingly do great work with less to work with. Coaches who have the entire team moving the ball and playing together.

If anyone disagrees with me that is fine, that is their right. But I believe my track record on this subject can speak for itself.

Excuse my many typos, as I no longer care to make changes. Thank you.

Jenkins has been in the playoffs three times, has won one series and lost twice as the higher seed. Going strictly off his playoff resume (since you are on record not caring about the regular season to assess coaches), he has zero track record of doing more with less, quite the opposite. His locker room was also a mess most of his tenure. It's not the upgrade you think it is. Carlisle isn't available and doesn't want to come here.

Tell you what, since comparing those 2 coaches and situations is very much Comparing apples to oranges. My question to you would be, Which of those two coaches if both were available would most n b a teams go after the first?

While I can't prove it at least not yet. I'm willing to bet most of the so-called executives. Would go after jenkins before joe.

[playa-hater]

Chances are you won't like the next coach either, who ever that may be down the road.

I really like you as a poster..but this post baffles me a little bit. Mainly because in my eyes I think I have proven all my critiques of the previous coaches correct. It seems to me. Many posters attach themselves to the coaches and do not look with an unbiased eye.

Coach Stevens I always stated was brilliant. But I always stated he had trouble with egos. I said it before the rest of the Boston Celtic world caught on and I believe I can say. I was one hundred percent correct.

Coach IME I picked up early on with his unsophisticated. Offense and is non shooting philosophy in an era where shooting matters so much. His starting of Dennis Schroeder with Marcus, smart to surround Tatum and Brown with. I thought was a disaster and that was also a sign of his lack of offense, which I believe he proved With his series with the houston rockets. He was a rah rah defensive minded. Coach who can excel in a regular season but not necessarily Where coaching really mattered. Once again, I believe I was proven, right.

Last but not least call coach joe. People gave him a lot of leeway his first Year because he was a new coach. People said he was learning on the job. Why would a championship contender even consider hiring a new coach who was learning on the job? And yes, boston managed to win a championship in joe's second year, but just like with doc Rivers who once again has proven to be a horrible coach, if you have enough talent, you can overachieve and win it all. I can easily name a list of other championship level. Coaches who failed everywhere else.


Joe has proven to be stubborn, quite limited and certainly still extremely inexperienced with knowing how to properly run and change an offense when necessary. HIs in game coaching was always weak. His lack of flexibility has always scarred this team in big games. I stood alone for most of the year but now this season has ended. It appears most people agree with me.

So in my biased opinion, have I been wrong on any of these three coaches? Is it possible that I can recognize a good coach when I see one?

I have already stated my love for taylor jenkins and rick carlisle. Coaches who seemingly do great work with less to work with. Coaches who have the entire team moving the ball and playing together.

If anyone disagrees with me that is fine, that is their right. But I believe my track record on this subject can speak for itself.

Excuse my many typos, as I no longer care to make changes. Thank you.

Listen, most fans don't like their coaches. If we had JJ Redick, we wouldn't like him either. That goes for most coaches on other teams. You mentioned 2 you like, that leaves another 28 that you and half or more fans would dislike or find faults with, including me.

I disagree with you on Brad. Brad was one of the greatest coaches in NCAA history. Guy was a basketball genius. He was really good in the pros. He didn't have enough talent to win a championship.

Ime was so so to me. I wanted Cassell over him. Turned out there were more important things for him than coaching.

Joe got a pass because he won a title. Yes it was gift wrapped title but none the less it was a title. He didn't blow it.
I agree he is stubborn. He made a lot of mistakes in this series that were obvious. This was one of if not the worst coaching playoff series in Celtics history.

To me Joe's time has run out. But the owners will probably bring him back next season. Were you right on Ime and Joe. Most likely. With Brad? Probably not. He did really good with the talent he had. The Irving thing destroyed the team for a few seasons. That was on Danny.

Being an NBA coach is a thankless job. That's my point. If we got either one of Taylor Jenkins and Rick Carlisle, you would be happy. Any other 28 positions, you would not be. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way. Only 1 coach out of 30 wins a title each year.

Even highly regarded coaches like Gregg Popovich and Bill Belichick were trash without great players. Bill Belichick was terrible without Brady. Coach Pop without great talent couldn't coach his team into the playoffs from most of the past 7 years.

Can't give you a long reply while in travel between games. But concerning Brad Stevens, everything you said about him Being a genius coach may be correct if we are talking analytics And college, but concerning the NBA his personality did not match with the type of Egos that Boston had acquired. I also disagree That we lacked talent the year we had Kyrie. That was probably one of the most talented teams we had in a while. Of course. Kyrie is a cancer, so I have to take that with a grain of salt.

Now, if you gave Brad Stevens a bunch of hungry non Egotistical type of players. Then yes, he is back to being a genius. But with the Star Driven team he was just not great with and the result was even Brad Stevens removed himself from that coaching situation.

There are also quite a few coaches in the. NBA who I absolutely do like and certainly more than Joe. I just don't feel the need to write all of the names down just to prove a point.

Peace out for now my brother.

[Hal14]

Brad needs to hire a real coach at this point. Joe had his shot.

Yes, had his shot. And he won a title - in just his 2nd season as the HC..his 1st season where he actually had his own assistants and had the offseason tro prepare for being the HC.

Keep him as an assistant.

It wouldn't be "keeping him as an assistant". That would imply he's an assistant right now.

That's not the case. He's the HC right now - not assistant.

So what you're actually saying is demote him from HC to assistant which is something that teams never do. If a guys is a HC and you want a different HC, you fire him..you don't demote him to asst. That's not something that ever happens.

Doc Rivers is one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA. Danny Ainge gift wrapped an NBA title for him by adding KG, Ray Allen, House, Cassell, Posey and PJ Brown to that 2008 team that had Pierce, Rondo and Perk. Even with that, the Celtics were taken to 7 games vs the Hawks in the 1st round.

Brad Stevens did the same thing last year for Joe by adding Jrue and KP to a stacked team that included Tatum, Brown and White.
We won a title last season with a great team and every team we faced in the playoffs, except for the Mavs had a top player or two out.

Get a new coach and keep Joe on the team and have him be one of the assistants. That's not implying he is an assistant now.

Rivers has been a coach for like 25 years. Has 1 title.

Mazzulla has been HC for only 3 years. Has 1 title, 1 ECF trip, 1 2nd round exit. Mazzulla has won every playoff series he's coached with a healthy tatum.



And still, with everything he's accomplished. He's still one of the youngest head coaches in NBA history. Which means he's got upside. Still learning, growing, getting better. Joe clearly s a student of the game, a student of coaching. Eats, breathes and sleeps coaching. So he'll keep getting better, improving, adapting. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Joe is not an old dog. He's young and hungry.

Brad added KP? KP was injured all postseason last year and wasn't healthy at all this season either., Brad added Jrue? Jrue was good last season but was like 34 years old.,.this year he was less effective and was injured a lot.

Apples and oranges compared to Doc.

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And again, demoting a guy from HC down to being an assistant for the same organization is not something that happens, ever.

[Green89]

While he's not as bad as some make him out to be, he's also inherited a team in a position where most coaches would have also succeeded. To me, what separates the Spo's and Pops from the rest of the playing field, is they nearly always make the right plays out of time outs or at end of games. Joe has yet to master making the right crunch time decisions, and coming up with great 2nd options if an initial play plan fails. This is where we could use a huge improvement. A coach that helps you win end of games, but most importantly, doesn't cause you to lose them. He has, and that's not ok for an organization focusing on titles every year.

[ThePigeon]

While he's not as bad as some make him out to be, he's also inherited a team in a position where most coaches would have also succeeded. To me, what separates the Spo's and Pops from the rest of the playing field, is they nearly always make the right plays out of time outs or at end of games. Joe has yet to master making the right crunch time decisions, and coming up with great 2nd options if an initial play plan fails. This is where we could use a huge improvement. A coach that helps you win end of games, but most importantly, doesn't cause you to lose them. He has, and that's not ok for an organization focusing on titles every year.

Having the ball on the last play of both games against NY at home and not generating a shot is really bad and it is on the coach to put the players at the best position to succeed