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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#821 » by tfmiii » Sat May 24, 2025 11:57 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
tfmiii wrote:#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?

Do you actually think that someone can be the main engine of a top-2 NBA offense three years in a row and have a single move in his bag ?

tfmiii wrote:c) study the game and draw the correct conclusions, presumably with a mentor to guide him. Not a shot doctor. Not Kobe's 'example'. Not Xs and Os. Understanding the importance of pace, passing, and percentages and how they shape any given game's outcome. This is the most difficult and many coaches don't fully achieve it.

Once the season is over do you think he sits at home waiting for the next one to start ? Tatum has increased his assists per game every single season of his career and if you watch the games, it's quite clearly that every year he makes the reads more quickly and the delivery is more precise. It's absurd and frankly insulting to Tatum to suggest he doesn't work diligently and with great success on that part of his game. As for percentages, he has very nearly removed all the mid range stuff from his game in favor of shots at the rim and from three so he is clearly very familiar with the NBA math.

I'm not suggesting either of the claims you accuse me of. I compared him to a 2x MVP and 1st ballot HOFer. My post was plenty long without going into how he's one of the most dedicated, hard-working, skilled, team-oriented players in the league who seems to not have a mean bone in his body. It's all these reasons why I feel he can further improve.

If you feel I've insulted or slighted him feel free to correct the record, but don't attribute strawman arguments to me so you can knock them down.

I could have responded to your post "well I guess you think JT is perfect and his game doesn't need any more work, after all he's the main engine of a top-2 offense for 3 years running" but where would that get us? It's just another strawman I'd be destroying.

I don't believe you think JT's flawless, so don't attribute similarly silly takes to me. Maybe we disagree on what parts of his game could improve, but you don't give me hint on where we may differ.

Since JT will be in physical rehab I think this is the perfect off-season to work on mental aspects of the game. Is that so "absurd and insulting"?
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Post#822 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun May 25, 2025 7:27 am

tfmiii wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
tfmiii wrote:#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?

Do you actually think that someone can be the main engine of a top-2 NBA offense three years in a row and have a single move in his bag ?

tfmiii wrote:c) study the game and draw the correct conclusions, presumably with a mentor to guide him. Not a shot doctor. Not Kobe's 'example'. Not Xs and Os. Understanding the importance of pace, passing, and percentages and how they shape any given game's outcome. This is the most difficult and many coaches don't fully achieve it.

Once the season is over do you think he sits at home waiting for the next one to start ? Tatum has increased his assists per game every single season of his career and if you watch the games, it's quite clearly that every year he makes the reads more quickly and the delivery is more precise. It's absurd and frankly insulting to Tatum to suggest he doesn't work diligently and with great success on that part of his game. As for percentages, he has very nearly removed all the mid range stuff from his game in favor of shots at the rim and from three so he is clearly very familiar with the NBA math.

I'm not suggesting either of the claims you accuse me of. I compared him to a 2x MVP and 1st ballot HOFer. My post was plenty long without going into how he's one of the most dedicated, hard-working, skilled, team-oriented players in the league who seems to not have a mean bone in his body. It's all these reasons why I feel he can further improve.

If you feel I've insulted or slighted him feel free to correct the record, but don't attribute strawman arguments to me so you can knock them down.

I could have responded to your post "well I guess you think JT is perfect and his game doesn't need any more work, after all he's the main engine of a top-2 offense for 3 years running" but where would that get us? It's just another strawman I'd be destroying.

I don't believe you think JT's flawless, so don't attribute similarly silly takes to me. Maybe we disagree on what parts of his game could improve, but you don't give me hint on where we may differ.

Since JT will be in physical rehab I think this is the perfect off-season to work on mental aspects of the game. Is that so "absurd and insulting"?

English is not my first language so I apologize if I missed some subtlety in your post,it's not my intention to debate strawman arguments on the internet. We all have better things to do with our time. I'm just curious about how I should have interpreted the "He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three." statement. To me that implies the step back three is his only go to move, am I wrong ?
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#823 » by Fierce1 » Sun May 25, 2025 10:47 am

JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.
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Post#824 » by Celts17Pride » Sun May 25, 2025 1:11 pm

Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.

Honestly you and everyone else don’t know what kind of player Tatum will be when he returns. Everyone including myself hopes that it will be the Jayson Tatum of old but that’s far from a guarantee. KD is really the only one that I can think of that has recovered nicely but all he does is effectively a spot up shooter.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#825 » by celticgreenie » Sun May 25, 2025 1:21 pm

Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.


None of those moves strike fear in the heart of opponents like the Truth used to do with his patented mid range game.
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Post#826 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun May 25, 2025 1:52 pm

celticgreenie wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.


None of those moves strike fear in the heart of opponents like the Truth used to do with his patented mid range game.

Pierce is a career 41.3% shooter from 10-16 feet and a career 41.5% shooter from 16 feet to the three point line. Do you really think that NBA teams are more scared of that kind of efficiency than Tatum shooting threes at a 37% clip ?
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Post#827 » by celticgreenie » Sun May 25, 2025 2:12 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
celticgreenie wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.


None of those moves strike fear in the heart of opponents like the Truth used to do with his patented mid range game.

Pierce is a career 41.3% shooter from 10-16 feet and a career 41.5% shooter from 16 feet to the three point line. Do you really think that NBA teams are more scared of that kind of efficiency than Tatum shooting threes at a 37% clip ?


Not looking it from the perspective of career numbers. Looking at it from needing a bucket to win a game. Here's what I found online:

That’s why it comes as no surprise that Paul Pierce is numerically the greatest of all-time in regards to winning a game on the last shot. Here are the players who have contributed to the most walk-off buzzer beaters in NBA history:

Paul Pierce: 12 (Seven baskets, five assists)
Michael Jordan: 10 (Nine baskets, one assist)
Kobe Bryant: 8 (Eight baskets)
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#828 » by Fierce1 » Sun May 25, 2025 2:38 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.

Honestly you and everyone else don’t know what kind of player Tatum will be when he returns. Everyone including myself hopes that it will be the Jayson Tatum of old but that’s far from a guarantee. KD is really the only one that I can think of that has recovered nicely but all he does is effectively a spot up shooter.

If it's just the Tatum of old then might as well trade him.

The Tatum that will return from injury should be better in terms of bball IQ.

Forget the athletic ability as JT is now more of a PF.

Celtics not winning anymore championships if it's same old Tatum jacking up 3s.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#829 » by tfmiii » Mon May 26, 2025 12:20 am

Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.

BINGO!
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread 

Post#830 » by tfmiii » Mon May 26, 2025 12:24 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
tfmiii wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Do you actually think that someone can be the main engine of a top-2 NBA offense three years in a row and have a single move in his bag ?


Once the season is over do you think he sits at home waiting for the next one to start ? Tatum has increased his assists per game every single season of his career and if you watch the games, it's quite clearly that every year he makes the reads more quickly and the delivery is more precise. It's absurd and frankly insulting to Tatum to suggest he doesn't work diligently and with great success on that part of his game. As for percentages, he has very nearly removed all the mid range stuff from his game in favor of shots at the rim and from three so he is clearly very familiar with the NBA math.

I'm not suggesting either of the claims you accuse me of. I compared him to a 2x MVP and 1st ballot HOFer. My post was plenty long without going into how he's one of the most dedicated, hard-working, skilled, team-oriented players in the league who seems to not have a mean bone in his body. It's all these reasons why I feel he can further improve.

If you feel I've insulted or slighted him feel free to correct the record, but don't attribute strawman arguments to me so you can knock them down.

I could have responded to your post "well I guess you think JT is perfect and his game doesn't need any more work, after all he's the main engine of a top-2 offense for 3 years running" but where would that get us? It's just another strawman I'd be destroying.

I don't believe you think JT's flawless, so don't attribute similarly silly takes to me. Maybe we disagree on what parts of his game could improve, but you don't give me hint on where we may differ.

Since JT will be in physical rehab I think this is the perfect off-season to work on mental aspects of the game. Is that so "absurd and insulting"?

English is not my first language so I apologize if I missed some subtlety in your post,it's not my intention to debate strawman arguments on the internet. We all have better things to do with our time. I'm just curious about how I should have interpreted the "He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three." statement. To me that implies the step back three is his only go to move, am I wrong ?

No worries, I enjoy your contributions. Fierce1 said it better than I did:

Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.
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Post#831 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Jun 1, 2025 11:20 pm

Is he running already?
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Post#832 » by brackdan70 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:31 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Is he running already?

He is dunking on an 8 foot hoop already.
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Post#833 » by djFan71 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:41 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Is he running already?

He is dunking on an 8 foot hoop already.

Only cuz Deuce is letting him get by him to build his confidence back up.
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Post#834 » by Gant » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:53 pm

Arthrex, Company Behind Jayson Tatum’s Potential Repair, Shares Crucial Info on It

Speaking at his end-of-season press conference at the Auerbach Center, Stevens noted, "Dr. Schena was on the phone with him before we left the building on Monday night, and he was out of the MRI, in consultation and done with surgery by the time we had an injury report the next day because there was [a] real benefit to doing it early. And so, as tough as that injury is, and as tough as it was that night, just an amazing set of circumstances."

Those benefits are something Dr. Kevin R. Stone emphasized to Forbes in a conversation about Tatum's injury and recovery. Dr. Stone is an orthopedic surgeon at The Stone Clinic and a pioneer of advanced orthopedic surgical and rehabilitation techniques to repair, regenerate, and replace damaged cartilage and ligaments.

"We've learned over the last few years that very early motion and rehabilitation accelerate the healing," conveyed Dr. Stone. "It doesn't slow down the healing. It doesn't damage the repair. And so the sooner you have the injury, the sooner you have the repair. And then the sooner you start your recovery, physical therapy, in our hands, that's the next day after injury and surgery, the faster you recover and the better you do."

Despite Tatum suffering perhaps the most concerning injury an athlete can sustain, Dr. Stone, a leading expert in Achilles tendon repair, expressed optimism about what the future may hold for the Celtics star.

"There's nothing about an Achilles rupture that should prevent him from coming back better than he was before," said Dr. Stone.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbykrivitsk/2025/06/02/arthrex-company-behind-jayson-tatums-potential-repair-shares-crucial-info-on-it/
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Post#835 » by Gant » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:55 pm

More:

This innovative surgery provides a stronger repair. That enables patients to start rehabilitation and weight-bearing earlier. The PARS Achilles Midsubstance SpeedBridge™ [PARS AMSS] technique also decreases the risk of infection or wound-healing complications. That's a benefit of a smaller incision size compared to open repair.

What sets it apart from traditional Achilles open repair is that the former allows for weight-bearing 8-10 weeks after surgery. PARS AMSS allows for immediate partial weight-bearing.

As one would then expect, opting for the latter also allows for earlier full weight-bearing. Reaching that stage faster enables overall rehabilitation protocol to progress at a quicker rate.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbykrivitsk/2025/06/02/arthrex-company-behind-jayson-tatums-potential-repair-shares-crucial-info-on-it/
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Post#836 » by bisme37 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 3:59 pm

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Post#837 » by Floody100 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:13 pm

I think he’ll be back after the all star break
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Post#838 » by Triple7 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:58 am

Floody100 wrote:I think he’ll be back after the all star break


He will be back next season near the end, but that’s just to get reps in. He will be fully healthy the following season.
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Post#839 » by ryan in Maine » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:44 am

This is where Tatum's achilles injury started. It was only a matter of time.
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Post#840 » by Larry_Russell » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:03 pm

tfmiii wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:JT has other "go to moves".

The problem is the step back 3 is his favorite.

BINGO!



The problem is

JT is the teams top rebounder out of need
JT is the teams top playmaker out of need

JT is also asked to be the top offensive option.
JT also is a top notch defender


That is not sustainable unless you are a once a generation type of athletic freak like Giannis or Lebron or MJ. even then, they break down or coast on defense (lebron)

Tatum is more a Tim Duncan player than Lebron. And thats not a knock on him at all, he isnt blessed with supreme athleticism or freak size. Instead he works hard and kills it that way....but that wears you down....and the result is taking step back 3s instead of attacking the rim. Taking fade aways instead of taking the hit.

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