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2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!) 

Post#361 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:00 am

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Danimals wrote:What would Boston want for Jrue? I’d love to see the wolves turn Randle in Jrue, but a keep hearing he’s fallen off dramatically. Is that true?


I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.

A couple of seasons ago, I was told Randle would clog the driving lanes of the Jays.
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Post#362 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:32 am

Who taught the Red Sox how to trade?
The Dallas Mavericks?
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Post#363 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:40 am

Is Jokic a Celtic yet??
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Post#364 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:18 am

Riverwalk2021 wrote:
Danimals wrote:What would Boston want for Jrue? I’d love to see the wolves turn Randle in Jrue, but a keep hearing he’s fallen off dramatically. Is that true?


I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.


It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.
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Post#365 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:14 am

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Danimals wrote:What would Boston want for Jrue? I’d love to see the wolves turn Randle in Jrue, but a keep hearing he’s fallen off dramatically. Is that true?

Reid.


Jrue was hurt and somewhat worn out cause he's like 34 and played for team US and the C's. Had injury on his shooting hand, too(finger injury). I don't think he's fallen off that dramatically
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Post#366 » by cl2117 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:49 am

I can't imagine the Grizzlies trade JJJ but I also never thought Orlando would trade 4 firsts for Bane or Luka would be swapped for AD, so I guess anything is possible and I know nothing. I'd give up the farm for him in terms of picks, I just absolutely love JJJ's fit as the third banana to JB and JT. Shot blocking 4/5 who can guard 1 through 5 and has a respectable deep ball, sign me up. That trio plus White gives you a team that can be elite both offensively and defensively, especially in the modern NBA.

And that quartet is just so adaptable you can put most replacement players next to them and they can fit around them and make it work. Traditional big? Just bump JJJ to PF and White to PG and you're in business. Throw a wing like Hauser out there instead? Tatum plays the 4 and JJJ back at 5. Pritchard at PG? White plays the 2 and JJJ back at C. You'd be hard pressed to find an NBA player that could slot in with that core and fit perfectly.

Snowball's chance in hell, but I'd give em all the picks and filler for JJJ. Figure the rest out later.
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Post#367 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:01 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:The NBA is on crack. In what world is Desmond Bane (a high level role player) worth four unprotected firsts and a pick swap?!?!

If the Celtics got that haul for Brown or Tatum I would have thought that was a decent return.


Just saw that, that's wild.. Brown is absolutely better than Bane...
Well, same goes for Bridges, yet LAL got Doncic for 1 FRP :D 8-)
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#368 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:39 am

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:The NBA is on crack. In what world is Desmond Bane (a high level role player) worth four unprotected firsts and a pick swap?!?!

If the Celtics got that haul for Brown or Tatum I would have thought that was a decent return.


Just saw that, that's wild.. Brown is absolutely better than Bane...
Well, same goes for Bridges, yet LAL got Doncic for 1 FRP :D 8-)

Non-All-Star players, like Bane and Bridges, will get you 4 1st rnd picks.

But you will only get 1 1st rnd pick if you trade superstar players.
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Post#369 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:02 pm

cl2117 wrote:I can't imagine the Grizzlies trade JJJ but I also never thought Orlando would trade 4 firsts for Bane or Luka would be swapped for AD, so I guess anything is possible and I know nothing. I'd give up the farm for him in terms of picks, I just absolutely love JJJ's fit as the third banana to JB and JT. Shot blocking 4/5 who can guard 1 through 5 and has a respectable deep ball, sign me up. That trio plus White gives you a team that can be elite both offensively and defensively, especially in the modern NBA.

And that quartet is just so adaptable you can put most replacement players next to them and they can fit around them and make it work. Traditional big? Just bump JJJ to PF and White to PG and you're in business. Throw a wing like Hauser out there instead? Tatum plays the 4 and JJJ back at 5. Pritchard at PG? White plays the 2 and JJJ back at C. You'd be hard pressed to find an NBA player that could slot in with that core and fit perfectly.

Snowball's chance in hell, but I'd give em all the picks and filler for JJJ. Figure the rest out later.

I haven't followed the NBA scuttlebutt for weeks so I'm just guessing here -- Memphis traded Bane to ORL so they can offer a max extension to JJJ, who is expiring this upcoming season. Well, unless they wanna blow the team up.

Related to him being expiring. Celtics can't offer him the max if they wanna stay under the 2nd apron or cut down on tax since they already have two max players. (Though I honestly am too lazy to verify the numbers.)
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Post#370 » by tfribs45 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:08 pm

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Riverwalk2021 wrote:
Danimals wrote:What would Boston want for Jrue? I’d love to see the wolves turn Randle in Jrue, but a keep hearing he’s fallen off dramatically. Is that true?


I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.


It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.


Bring back MAHCUSSS SMAHHHHHT on the cheap. Problem solved LFG
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Post#371 » by cl2117 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:18 pm

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cl2117 wrote:I can't imagine the Grizzlies trade JJJ but I also never thought Orlando would trade 4 firsts for Bane or Luka would be swapped for AD, so I guess anything is possible and I know nothing. I'd give up the farm for him in terms of picks, I just absolutely love JJJ's fit as the third banana to JB and JT. Shot blocking 4/5 who can guard 1 through 5 and has a respectable deep ball, sign me up. That trio plus White gives you a team that can be elite both offensively and defensively, especially in the modern NBA.

And that quartet is just so adaptable you can put most replacement players next to them and they can fit around them and make it work. Traditional big? Just bump JJJ to PF and White to PG and you're in business. Throw a wing like Hauser out there instead? Tatum plays the 4 and JJJ back at 5. Pritchard at PG? White plays the 2 and JJJ back at C. You'd be hard pressed to find an NBA player that could slot in with that core and fit perfectly.

Snowball's chance in hell, but I'd give em all the picks and filler for JJJ. Figure the rest out later.

I haven't followed the NBA scuttlebutt for weeks so I'm just guessing here -- Memphis traded Bane to ORL so they can offer a max extension to JJJ, who is expiring this upcoming season. Well, unless they wanna blow the team up.

Related to him being expiring. Celtics can't offer him the max if they wanna stay under the 2nd apron or cut down on tax since they already have two max players. (Though I honestly am too lazy to verify the numbers.)
That's my assumption as well but it seemed like there was a gap between JJJ's camp and Memphis on this extension. Maybe I'm mis-remembering this and it was because he was potentially eligible for a supermax and that was the hold-up in terms of extensions, but I didn't think it was a done deal (or maybe it was just that there wasn't a path to an extension before making other moves).

C's could offer him the max and still get under the aprons or even the tax for 2025/2026 if both Jrue and KP are headed out as well. 2026/2027 it becomes a lot harder as it jumps $12m plus under his new max, but even then you could stay under the aprons by squeezing elsewhere.

But yeah I'd imagine this is the painful cut that they are making and unlikely it's a full fire sale. If there were more change to come, from a team building perspective I'd trade Ja before JJJ but star power (and off the court headaches) will likely play a factor in that.
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Post#372 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:20 pm

tfribs45 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Riverwalk2021 wrote:
I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.


It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.


Bring back MAHCUSSS SMAHHHHHT on the cheap. Problem solved LFG

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Post#373 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:36 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Riverwalk2021 wrote:
Danimals wrote:What would Boston want for Jrue? I’d love to see the wolves turn Randle in Jrue, but a keep hearing he’s fallen off dramatically. Is that true?


I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.


It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.


So is it the 2nd apron or the tax? Wyc says the 2nd apron and the taxes haven't been talked about from inside the organization.

I'm not a fan of Randle, but I can see how a contract like he's on is favorable. It alleviates the strain of multiple years of Jrue's. It also can be moved at the deadline.
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Post#374 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:48 pm

Spotrac's not updated when it comes to the 25/26 2nd apron so most trades won't go through. It's still using the 24/25 2nd apron of 188mil. 25/26 projected 2nd apron is 208mil.

C's get Van Fleet and Kleiber

Rockets get Jrue and Connaughton

Lakers get Porzingis

Bucks get Sam and Vincent
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The trade won't work because the 2nd apron numbers isn't updated. Each team would be under the 2nd apron with this trade.

C's payroll for 25/26 is at 207mil

For the C's they're under the 2nd apron for 25/26 but for 26/27 they'll be at 153mil and the core of JT/JB/White and PP is still intact.

Lakers payroll is at 198mil and they'll have Porzingis for a season
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Post#375 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:57 pm

phincsfan wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Riverwalk2021 wrote:
I actually like a Randle for Jrue trade for both sides and it's pretty even when you consider contract status, age and fit. Addresses major weaknesses for both. I'd prefer KP be the one going out but that makes less sense for Minny and Jrue simply makes too much money for the C's too keep.


It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.


So is it the 2nd apron or the tax? Wyc says the 2nd apron and the taxes haven't been talked about from inside the organization.

I'm not a fan of Randle, but I can see how a contract like he's on is favorable. It alleviates the strain of multiple years of Jrue's. It also can be moved at the deadline.


If they don't get under the second apron, next year's salary paid is gonna be close to 500 million.

Trading Jrue for Randle saves us 2 million when we need to cut close to 40 million just to get under the second apron. It's a sideways move for salary that doesn't get the job done.

Wyc is lying. All the Celtics mouthpieces have made it clear they're going to get under the second apron. They didn't make it up. They're selling it to the fans to get ahead of the fact that they're gonna cut salary and real talent and bring back nothing in return except maybe some picks years into the future.
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Post#376 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:22 pm

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phincsfan wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
It hurts me how many people don't understand what's going on here.

They're not trading Jrue for ANY reason other than to shed salary.

Trading him for randle doesn't accomplish that.

Obviously some of you are in for a big surprise of just how small the return is going to be in terms of the near future.


So is it the 2nd apron or the tax? Wyc says the 2nd apron and the taxes haven't been talked about from inside the organization.

I'm not a fan of Randle, but I can see how a contract like he's on is favorable. It alleviates the strain of multiple years of Jrue's. It also can be moved at the deadline.


If they don't get under the second apron, next year's salary paid is gonna be close to 500 million.

Trading Jrue for Randle saves us 2 million when we need to cut close to 40 million just to get under the second apron. It's a sideways move for salary that doesn't get the job done.

Wyc is lying. All the Celtics mouthpieces have made it clear they're going to get under the second apron. They didn't make it up. They're selling it to the fans to get ahead of the fact that they're gonna cut salary and real talent and bring back nothing in return except maybe some picks years into the future.



cut only 20 mill to get below second apron.


Jrue to Wolves

Kristaps and Hauser to Lakers

Randle, Klebr and Davidson to Grizzlies

Gabe Vincent and Tillman to Brooklyn

Morant, Vanderbilt and Edey to the Celtics

(add picks where needed)

Ja/Pritchard
White/Scheierman
Brown/Draft
Vanderbilt/Horford?
Edey/Kornet
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Post#377 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:04 pm

Celtics will have the best offer if they offer JB for KD.

Not saying it will happen, but it's very intriguing if Cs trade JB, Jrue, and Sam, in separate trades, and Cs end up with KD and other cheaper role players.

KD, DWhite, and KP as the big 3 until JT returns in March.

KP
KD
JT
PP
White

Al
Luke
???
???
Baylor
Queta

Should win 45-50 games and one hell of a playoff run with JT.
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Post#378 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:06 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:cut only 20 mill to get below second apron.


Jrue to Wolves

Kristaps and Hauser to Lakers

Randle, Klebr and Davidson to Grizzlies

Gabe Vincent and Tillman to Brooklyn

Morant, Vanderbilt and Edey to the Celtics

(add picks where needed)

Ja/Pritchard
White/Scheierman
Brown/Draft
Vanderbilt/Horford?
Edey/Kornet

We're getting 3 guys who can't shoot..and trading 3 guys who can shoot..no thanks
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Post#379 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:12 pm

What I learned in this year's playoffs and Finals, great offense beats great defense.

Pacers were just 13th in defensive rating this season and they went to the Finals.

OKC had no problems with the great Wolves defense.

Not saying great offense with bad defense gets you a chip, I think it's great offense with above average defense is the right mix.
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Post#380 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:16 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Celtics will have the best offer if they offer JB for KD.

Not saying it will happen, but it's very intriguing if Cs trade JB, Jrue, and Sam, in separate trades, and Cs end up with KD and other cheaper role players.

KD, DWhite, and KP as the big 3 until JT returns in March.

KP
KD
JT
PP
White

Al
Luke
???
???
Baylor
Queta

Should win 45-50 games and one hell of a playoff run with JT.

Jaylen Brown for Kevin Durant died about 3 years ago. Welcome to 2025.

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