2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[djFan71]

MIA gives: Rozier, DRob, future picks
MIA gets: Durant

BOS gives: Porzingis, Holiday
BOS gets: Rozier, Drob

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Grayson Allen (TPE)

PHX gives: Durant, Allen
PHX gets: Porzingis, Rozier, future MIA picks

Suns duck the 2nd apron if they do this after declining options on Martin/Micic. They get the future MIA picks for Durant and get some good players to run with Booker in the meantime.

We don't all the way duck the 2nd apron, but save $16.6M of the ~$24M we need to do so. Not sure on the rules with Drob, but maybe if this is done in old league year we could waive him for $10M in 25-26 season. In either case, between Rozier/DRob on expiring deals there should be plenty of follow ups out there to get the rest of the way below the 2nd apron, below the tax if we wanted, add some good players while still ducking the 2nd apron if we want to add picks, etc. Lots of options.

Where does Scary Terry end up? Assumedly BOS? He's listed for PHO too. Does PHO get Jrue?

[hugepatsfan]

MIA gives: Rozier, DRob, future picks
MIA gets: Durant

BOS gives: Porzingis, Holiday
BOS gets: Rozier, Drob

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Grayson Allen (TPE)

PHX gives: Durant, Allen
PHX gets: Porzingis, Rozier, future MIA picks

Suns duck the 2nd apron if they do this after declining options on Martin/Micic. They get the future MIA picks for Durant and get some good players to run with Booker in the meantime.

We don't all the way duck the 2nd apron, but save $16.6M of the ~$24M we need to do so. Not sure on the rules with Drob, but maybe if this is done in old league year we could waive him for $10M in 25-26 season. In either case, between Rozier/DRob on expiring deals there should be plenty of follow ups out there to get the rest of the way below the 2nd apron, below the tax if we wanted, add some good players while still ducking the 2nd apron if we want to add picks, etc. Lots of options.

Where does Scary Terry end up? Assumedly BOS? He's listed for PHO too. Does PHO get Jrue?

Whoops, yes that's what I meant. I updated.

I probably wouldn't expect either Rozier/DRob to actually suit up for us because they'd make moves to get the rest of the way under the 2nd apron. But swapping KP/Jrue for them makes things probably much more maneuverable.

[redslastlaugh]

MIA gives: Rozier, DRob, future picks
MIA gets: Durant

BOS gives: Porzingis, Holiday
BOS gets: Rozier, Drob

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Grayson Allen (TPE)

PHX gives: Durant, Allen
PHX gets: Porzingis, Jrue, future MIA picks

Suns duck the 2nd apron if they do this after declining options on Martin/Micic. They get the future MIA picks for Durant and get some good players to run with Booker in the meantime.

We don't all the way duck the 2nd apron, but save $16.6M of the ~$24M we need to do so. Not sure on the rules with Drob, but maybe if this is done in old league year we could waive him for $10M in 25-26 season. In either case, between Rozier/DRob on expiring deals there should be plenty of follow ups out there to get the rest of the way below the 2nd apron, below the tax if we wanted, add some good players while still ducking the 2nd apron if we want to add picks, etc. Lots of options.

I think Phoenix wants younger pieces back for Durant, young good players or draft picks in this draft that yield guys that can play this season because Ishbia doesn't want to hand over a good pick in 2026 draft.

Don't think Jrue and KP really matches what they are asking for. This reporting today says they want Devin Vassell & Sochan plus multiple firsts plus Harrison Barnes to do the KD deal with SA. If Durant ends up in Miami, I think Phoenix would want younger vets: Jacquez, Jovic, Ware plus Andrew Wiggins plus picks.

From the Boston side, Rozier and Duncan Rob basically fix the long term budget issues because those guys are expirings but ... that's a pretty bleak return. No player under 30 and no pick value? I am holding out hope that we can do better... hoping so, i guess.

[djFan71]

MIA gives: Rozier, DRob, future picks
MIA gets: Durant

BOS gives: Porzingis, Holiday
BOS gets: Rozier, Drob

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Grayson Allen (TPE)

PHX gives: Durant, Allen
PHX gets: Porzingis, Rozier, future MIA picks

Suns duck the 2nd apron if they do this after declining options on Martin/Micic. They get the future MIA picks for Durant and get some good players to run with Booker in the meantime.

We don't all the way duck the 2nd apron, but save $16.6M of the ~$24M we need to do so. Not sure on the rules with Drob, but maybe if this is done in old league year we could waive him for $10M in 25-26 season. In either case, between Rozier/DRob on expiring deals there should be plenty of follow ups out there to get the rest of the way below the 2nd apron, below the tax if we wanted, add some good players while still ducking the 2nd apron if we want to add picks, etc. Lots of options.

Where does Scary Terry end up? Assumedly BOS? He's listed for PHO too. Does PHO get Jrue?

Whoops, yes that's what I meant. I updated.

I probably wouldn't expect either Rozier/DRob to actually suit up for us because they'd make moves to get the rest of the way under the 2nd apron. But swapping KP/Jrue for them makes things probably much more maneuverable.

Makes sense, but we should at least get assets back to help with that. I feel like we're paying a good amount of the value for MIA to get KD.

Medium to low valuation:
- Jrue is worth matching salary, one of which is a good player, and a lotto-protected first.
- KP is worth salary and a few 2nds.

We're getting back bad salary, and $16M of space here. Which you can probably buy for the couple 2nds, but call it the lotto-protected first.
Feels like we're a good player / few 2nds short here.

I'd amend to something like:

MIA: KD, #28 for #20, Rozier, DRob, 2028 first, 2030 first
BOS: #20, Rozier, DRob, 2027 CLE second for Jrue, KP
PHX: Durant, Allen for KP, Jrue, MIA 2028 first, MIA 2030 first
ATL: Allen for 2027 CLE second

And that even seems a touch low for BOS tbh. I'd probably ask for PHO 2026 2nd (via DEN or GSW)

[165bows]

MIA gives: Rozier, DRob, future picks
MIA gets: Durant

BOS gives: Porzingis, Holiday
BOS gets: Rozier, Drob

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Grayson Allen (TPE)

PHX gives: Durant, Allen
PHX gets: Porzingis, Jrue, future MIA picks

Suns duck the 2nd apron if they do this after declining options on Martin/Micic. They get the future MIA picks for Durant and get some good players to run with Booker in the meantime.

We don't all the way duck the 2nd apron, but save $16.6M of the ~$24M we need to do so. Not sure on the rules with Drob, but maybe if this is done in old league year we could waive him for $10M in 25-26 season. In either case, between Rozier/DRob on expiring deals there should be plenty of follow ups out there to get the rest of the way below the 2nd apron, below the tax if we wanted, add some good players while still ducking the 2nd apron if we want to add picks, etc. Lots of options.

I think Phoenix wants younger pieces back for Durant, young good players or draft picks in this draft that yield guys that can play this season because Ishbia doesn't want to hand over a good pick in 2026 draft.

Don't think Jrue and KP really matches what they are asking for. This reporting today says they want Devin Vassell & Sochan plus multiple firsts plus Harrison Barnes to do the KD deal with SA. If Durant ends up in Miami, I think Phoenix would want younger vets: Jacquez, Jovic, Ware plus Andrew Wiggins plus picks.

From the Boston side, Rozier and Duncan Rob basically fix the long term budget issues because those guys are expirings but ... that's a pretty bleak return. No player under 30 and no pick value? I am holding out hope that we can do better... hoping so, i guess.

If Phoenix had a decent deal for Durant they would do it today, so I don't know if Boston gets a better return or not but if Phoenix could get two perfect fits for their team like Jrue and KP plus picks they would have pulled the trigger yesterday imo.

It's a shorter term fix but not too many guys who can fix a Booker/Beal backcourt better than Jrue Holiday.

[klemen44]

Duncan Robinson only $9,888,000 guaranteed in 2025/26 is for sure the best contract for all teams which want to save money.

Imo Phoenix will want that contract with Wiggins just to cut Robinson and save.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

I've been trying for the past week to come up with a three-team trade involving the Suns, Rockets, and Celtics that sends KP to the Suns—before today's news dropped—but I just can’t find a deal that works for all three teams(cap wise)

Tough to do because both Celtics and Suns are 2nd apron teams. If there is a way I'm sure Mike Zarren and Brad Stevens will find it.

You're gonna need a bigger boat trade. A 4th team with cap (BKN) or exceptions is probably the easiest way to pull it off.

I found one that works with the Mavericks.

Houston/ Mavs/ Celtics/ Suns 4 team trade works
KP to Suns
Jrue to the Mavs
KD to Rockets
Gafford/Washington/ Players/picks to Boston

Again, there would be more moving pieces to it.

but you would need to decline FVV player option.

[165bows]

Tough to do because both Celtics and Suns are 2nd apron teams. If there is a way I'm sure Mike Zarren and Brad Stevens will find it.

You're gonna need a bigger boat trade. A 4th team with cap (BKN) or exceptions is probably the easiest way to pull it off.

I found one that works with the Mavericks.

Houston/ Mavs/ Celtics/ Suns 4 team trade works
KP to Suns
Jrue to the Mavs
KD to Rockets
Gafford/Washington/ Players/picks to Boston

Again, there would be more moving pieces to it.

but you would need to decline FVV player option.

Rockets imo would be a great fit for Durant and they have more assets than they need, but they just don't have the contracts to get him.

Wonder if there is a way it makes sense to send Durant to MIN and Randle to Houston since he's cheaper. Idk if he's a great fit there depends on if he shoots or not.

[bisme37]

“General sense around the league and those close to Horford is that he’ll continue to play next season."

https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/news/al-horford-s-celtics-future-gets-major-update
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/al-horford-intentions-next-season-151404380.html

[zimpy27]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

[hugepatsfan]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

We can debate the merits of it on here, but we all know that in the real world it won't happen. Obviously there's some good logic in trading an injured top 5ish player for a top 5ish player who can play plus picks. He's older and injury prone himself, though. And just in the real world no one is trading their 27 year old top 5 player who was their main piece on a title winning team 1 year ago and is now coming off an ACL injury.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

Yea, as long as one of those first round picks is the first pick

[zimpy27]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

We can debate the merits of it on here, but we all know that in the real world it won't happen. Obviously there's some good logic in trading an injured top 5ish player for a top 5ish player who can play plus picks. He's older and injury prone himself, though. And just in the real world no one is trading their 27 year old top 5 player who was their main piece on a title winning team 1 year ago and is now coming off an ACL injury.

I think the value is fair and the right direction for Boston. Provides more certainty on the actual player you are getting (who knows how Tatum returns).

But the trade would be tough to pull off as you say. Brad would need to be all brains and no heart.

[165bows]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

We can debate the merits of it on here, but we all know that in the real world it won't happen. Obviously there's some good logic in trading an injured top 5ish player for a top 5ish player who can play plus picks. He's older and injury prone himself, though. And just in the real world no one is trading their 27 year old top 5 player who was their main piece on a title winning team 1 year ago and is now coming off an ACL injury.

Brad Stevens trading Boston’s first rounder is like the Fourth of July.

Lands on a different day of the week every year but we know it’s coming anyway.

[redslastlaugh]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

I don't think Celtics would consider it. Tatum just won a championship and now he's hurt. I don't think they'd consider in light of the injury.

Had the injury not occurred, they also wouldn't consider it. Remember AD is a Klutch client who went out of his way, including his father making public comments in the media, to disparage the celtics organization in the Kyrie Irving era.

An interesting idea for realgm discussion. But ultimately, a nonstarter in the real world.

[zimpy27]

Would you consider Davis+2xFRP for Tatum?

I don't think Celtics would consider it. Tatum just won a championship and now he's hurt. I don't think they'd consider in light of the injury.

Had the injury not occurred, they also wouldn't consider it. Remember AD is a Klutch client who went out of his way, including his father making public comments in the media, to disparage the celtics organization in the Kyrie Irving era.

An interesting idea for realgm discussion. But ultimately, a nonstarter in the real world.

More or less likely for Brown instead of Tatum?

[fallguy]

I think the original joke about including the first overall pick is about the only thing that would interest the Celtics. AD hates Boston and is aging and often injured. Why would we want him?

[Curmudgeon]

I don't even bother to read trades that don't substantially reduce salary because they are not going to happen.

[celtxman]

I don't even bother to read trades that don't substantially reduce salary because they are not going to happen.

I said virtually the same thing in this thread. MAYBE they would have kept the band together if they won a championship.
Wyc has given the new owner Bill Chisholm ground cover. Wyc publicly "publicly stated that the NBA's second luxury tax apron is unsustainable, predicting that no team will remain above it for more than two years out of the next 40. He emphasized that the "basketball penalties" associated with the second apron, rather than the financial cost, are the primary concern." The time seems to be now to start with Tatum out
I also think people are enamored that Chisholm is a big Celtics fan. He also made his fortune co-founding Symphony Technology Group that acquires companies, improve profits and sell for a profit. I think he will try for more championships- but to a point.
So I believe that Brad's marching orders will be to cut AT LEAST enough to get below the 2nd apron, but try to pick out diamonds in the rough to restock and be competitive.

[djFan71]

I don't even bother to read trades that don't substantially reduce salary because they are not going to happen.

How do you know without reading them?