for all KG's suppoused intensity....

[Datruth345]

"all the negativity that's in this town sucks. I've been around when Jim Rice was booed. I've been around when (Carl) Yastrzemski was booed. And it stinks. It makes the greatest town, greatest city in the world, lousy. The only thing that will turn this around is being upbeat and positive like we are in that locker room... and if you think I'm going to succumb to negativity, you're wrong"

[darrendaye]

"all the negativity that's in this town sucks. I've been around when Jim Rice was booed. I've been around when (Carl) Yastrzemski was booed. And it stinks. It makes the greatest town, greatest city in the world, lousy. The only thing that will turn this around is being upbeat and positive like we are in that locker room... and if you think I'm going to succumb to negativity, you're wrong"

Critical analysis is not negativity. In critiquing a player's strengths and shortcoming, I don't consider that an act of pessimism. The tenor of the original post, I feel, was in a disparaging tone and negative, but I think this type of dismissive retort is a bit too rampant around here whenever someone poses a contrarian concept.

EDIT: If you don't have contrarians, you leave few topics for debate. I've always considered good-natured debate to be the most enlightening form of communication.

[bru87tr]

KG is awsome, but he isnt looking like the player that dominated and got benefit of calls in sota.

my point- he isnt taking over games like he did in the west. KG needs to take it to the hoop more and stop passing so much. lets see those throw it down dunks he did last year and the years before. he isnt taking it to players like he should.

[canman1971]

I can't believe people are complaining about KG, especially when the team is 30-5. Man, our fans really relish negative thinking. Anyone ever think, that right now, Garnett is doing what he needs to do to win games? I mean, given their record, maybe he feels he needs to pace himself somewhat, no? I mean 5 losses in 35 games translates into approximately 67-15 end of the year record. I'll take that and a rested Garnett for the playoffs.

[Datruth345]

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Critical analysis is not negativity. In critiquing a player's strengths and shortcoming, I don't consider that an act of pessimism. The tenor of the original post, I feel, was in a disparaging tone and negative, but I think this type of dismissive retort is a bit too rampant around here whenever someone poses a contrarian concept.

EDIT: If you don't have contrarians, you leave few topics for debate. I've always considered good-natured debate to be the most enlightening form of communication.

it's a negative, reactionary thread
which is a bit too rampant around here whenever the Celtics lose

everyone knows (apparently except the op) kg is not a prototypical post player, to bring this topic up and cite it when we lose 2 out of 3 and call him soft and a phony in terms of his intensity is laughable

everything the op said in any post, was negative, it wasn't criticism ...to say kg is "hiding on the perimeter" to say "KG is soft. It hurts his game and his team." is reactionary rambling garbage

i stand by my post

[darrendaye]

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it's a negative, reactionary thread
which is a bit too rampant around here whenever the Celtics lose

everyone knows (apparently except the op) kg is not a prototypical post player, to bring this topic up and cite it when we lose 2 out of 3 and call him soft and a phony in terms of his intensity is laughable

everything the op said in any post, was negative, it wasn't criticism ...to say kg is "hiding on the perimeter" to say "KG is soft. It hurts his game and his team." is reactionary rambling garbage

i stand by my post

I understand and agree with the sentiment. And here I agree, it's justified. But just as you felt the need to make a generalized post to bring up a point, I just happened to take the opportunity of using your post to do the same. I'm not passing judgment on you or claiming you're in the "wrong" for posting in this manner here.

On the other hand, I don't know what the quote was meant to accomplish per se. If the original poster is a negative-minded or reactionary type of person, this probably only serves to rile him up and he'll see it as an attack. The beauty of RealGM is the ignore button. I generally have not "banished" people to ignore permanently, choosing to start each season with a new slate, so to speak. Hint: Last year around this time I would never have seen the contents of the original post.

Again, I hope this isn't taken personally, it wasn't meant to be. And maybe you can appreciate the fact that despite the somewhat negative based start to the thread, many luccid and articulate points were brought up.

[bru87tr]

I can't believe people are complaining about KG, especially when the team is 30-5. Man, our fans really relish negative thinking. Anyone ever think, that right now, Garnett is doing what he needs to do to win games? I mean, given their record, maybe he feels he needs to pace himself somewhat, no? I mean 5 losses in 35 games translates into approximately 67-15 end of the year record. I'll take that and a rested Garnett for the playoffs.

I think the observation is people expect with the 3 huge players like we have that they should be very dominating.

I am not seeing that like the beginning of the season. personally I think they should be as good on offense as they are on defense.

[Relative Autonomy]

I was intentionally stirring the **** pot. It definitely undermined my point but i thought it made for a lively thread. sometimes the best part of this place is the hot air and hyperbole.

[Relative Autonomy]

Also, i understand that KG is not the prototypical post player but that doesn't mean he can't play in the post at all. He can use his quickness to his advantage. It would make the team better and he could do it without banging or dramatically changing his game. No one is addressing that point.

[canman1971]

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I think the observation is people expect with the 3 huge players like we have that they should be very dominating.

I am not seeing that like the beginning of the season. personally I think they should be as good on offense as they are on defense.

I completely understand and agree they should be better, but if anyone thought they would beat teams by 20 points a night all season was/is delusional. They'll be fine.

[ParticleMan]

Also, i understand that KG is not the prototypical post player but that doesn't mean he can't play in the post at all. He can use his quickness to his advantage. It would make the team better and he could do it without banging or dramatically changing his game. No one is addressing that point.

I disagree. I think his most effective shot is that fadeaway. When he attacks the rim he doesn't finish that well because he is too light to absorb contact. He is also too long to be a good dribbler in traffic. He also doesn't seem to get calls when he attacks the rim for some reason. He should and does play in the post all the time, but he isn't Kevin McHale. He prefers to get himself in space and use his good shooting touch. At 55%, how can you complain?

[Datruth345]

Also, i understand that KG is not the prototypical post player but that doesn't mean he can't play in the post at all. He can use his quickness to his advantage. It would make the team better and he could do it without banging or dramatically changing his game. No one is addressing that point.

he does play in the post, and he does use his quickness to his advantage
it just so happens his "money" shot is a fade away, not a jumphook

[canman1971]

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I disagree. I think his most effective shot is that fadeaway. When he attacks the rim he doesn't finish that well because he is too light to absorb contact. He is also too long to be a good dribbler in traffic. He also doesn't seem to get calls when he attacks the rim for some reason. He should and does play in the post all the time, but he isn't Kevin McHale. He prefers to get himself in space and use his good shooting touch. At 55%, how can you complain?

For many Boston fans, that is all they know.

[TheUrbanZealot]

i never said KG wasn't a great player, wasn't the reason for the Celtics turn around, that we should trade him, or that last night was a referendum on his entire career but thanks for the knee-jerk responses. What I did say is that he is soft. We hear all this talk about his "intensity," like he has possessed by some other worldly basketball power. I just think KG and the team would be better if he spent more time down low, playing like a 4 and less time being "intense" and punching himself and swearing, while hiding on the perimeter and avoiding the physical game.


KG is soft. It hurts his game and his team. I don't know if its something he can overcome or if its his enduring weakness but it hurts the team and no one talks about it because he is so "intense," whatever that means.

Please, your entire post is a knee-jerk reaction. You wouldn't have posted anything if the Celtics had won the game.

Saying KG is soft is kind of (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and highly subjective in light of the Celtics being 30-5. Obviously he is "hard enough" to help the Celtics experience one of the greatest turnaround in NBA history.

You are equivocating softness to lack of playing in the post. That's a very skewed argument. KG has been playing this way for years. He isn't Al Jefferson- who played in the post and helped net the Celtics less than 30 wins total last year. Saying KG "should" play in the post is completely disregarding his skillset. If you have watched KG throughout his career, he's never been that prototypical post player that constantly gets physical. His comfort zone is 12=18, facing up, and doing turnarounds.

I think what you are trying to say is the perception of KG being this intense, aggressive player is overblown. He IS intense, he does get competitive, and yeah, he does pound his head, swear, etc. Just because he doesn't do all of that in the low post doesn't mean he lacks intensity.

Yes, KG is a perimeter 4 that still can play good defense, but that is also what has helped the Celts to their fastest start ever. I don't see how forcing KG away from his element is going to make the Celts better...

[BrokenLeftyJumper]

You are equivocating softness to lack of playing in the post. That's a very skewed argument.

He IS intense, he does get competitive, and yeah, he does pound his head, swear, etc. Just because he doesn't do all of that in the low post doesn't mean he lacks intensity.

Exactly. Playing in the post does not = toughness. Look at Big Al. I loved his moves on the low block, but the more I watch him without the green kool-aid blurring my vision, the more I realize he's one of the softest big men in the league, and he loves playing in the post.

KG got his eyebrow split open against the Lakers and didn't miss more than a minute of action. I wouldn't call him soft.

[tombattor]

What kind of trash is this? So what if KG doesn't play exactly the way you want him to play? That's his style. He doesn't have Shaq's brute size and strength, but he's got unbelievable quickness. That's why he plays the way he does. Every player has different strengths and weaknesses and each player has to play to his strength.

I don't understand why people think a player has to only play with his back-to-the-basket in order for him to be a tough bigman and all that garbage? What more do you want him to do? We're 30-5 and have the best record in the league by 3.5 games.

[shrink]

he's a pretty soft player, especially for someone at the four spot. i know i may get flamed for this but we keep hearing about his "intensity" and, meanwhile, he shies away from playing down low, shoots a lot of jumpers, and rebounds poorly but swears a lot.

OK, if a guy is knocking the rebounding of the player who's led the NBA in rebounding the last 4 years, I'm going to guess he's that 5' 6" 47 year old balding man who's always picked last for pick-up games at the Y.

[darrendaye]

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OK, if a guy is knocking the rebounding of the player who's led the NBA in rebounding the last 4 years, I'm going to guess he's that 5' 6" 47 year old balding man who's always picked last for pick-up games at the Y.

This comment is not directed at what was said in the post, but I'm quoting here to illustrate a point. This is the natural reaction by most people when you choose to make statements of absolution about a situation. The OP in this thread, to his credit, appears to have realized his initial comments were emotion-based and probably crossed the line of logic to a degree. Saying KG is a poor rebounder, can easily be refuted. Had he said that KG is currently rebounding poorly, I believe it would have opened the door for more productive debate. Sorry that I'm preaching lately on here a lot, but, I wanted to do my part to hopefully get this place back to a position where there is more intellectual discourse and less attack oriented.