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Post#141 » by ShowtimeFan » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:47 am

EvadedHavoc wrote:In my opinion:

Rondo >< Derek

Ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

Pierce >>> Lamar

KG >>> Pau

Perkins > Bynum *Perk knows how to shut dude down*


Eddie House / James Posey / Leon Powe / Big Baby / Scott Pollard

If we get Sam Cassell Celtics take the cake.


(Len) BIASED aren't we? how about this;

Kobe >>>>>>> All 5 Celtics Starters

Seriously, last time I looked it was a TEAM game and even though the Celts beat the Lakers (BADLY) twice this year, if they meet in the playoffs and the Celts have home court, all we need is a split of those first two and you won't have another home game..
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Post#142 » by stretch » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:09 am

That's true... Kobe is without a doubt the best player in the game.

it's just that, I have seen five games (three of them with the Sonics) where Ray Allen not only defended Kobe well, but shut him down for good stretches of the game.

kind of funny. Ray Ray knows how to guard Kobe. and for some reason, Kobe gets psyched out a bit by KG... unlike with any other player.
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Post#143 » by stretch » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:11 am

so basically, I could see three Western Conference teams legitimately beating the Celtics in a 7 game series.. yet the Lakers aren't one of them.
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Post#144 » by Bgil » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:43 am

stretch wrote:That's true... Kobe is without a doubt the best player in the game.

it's just that, I have seen five games (three of them with the Sonics) where Ray Allen not only defended Kobe well, but shut him down for good stretches of the game.

kind of funny. Ray Ray knows how to guard Kobe. and for some reason, Kobe gets psyched out a bit by KG... unlike with any other player.


Kobe gets psyched out by KG? I've never seen that. We've kicked the crap out of KG so many times it's not even an issue. Lamar is beyond psyched out though.

Allen has gotten much better at defending Kobe over the years but some of Kobe's best games have come against the Sonics. He's also locked Allen down so many times that Ray even said he thinks it's because Kobe takes their matchup personal (Allen was drafted ahead of Kobe).

Pierce always guards Kobe well though.
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Post#145 » by EvadedHavoc » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:52 am

ShowtimeFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Hi i dont know how to take a joke so let me take a moment to show how well my sarcasm meter works.



Fixed. :)
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Post#146 » by stretch » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:54 am

Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Kobe gets psyched out by KG? I've never seen that. We've kicked the crap out of KG so many times it's not even an issue. Lamar is beyond psyched out though.

Allen has gotten much better at defending Kobe over the years but some of Kobe's best games have come against the Sonics. He's also locked Allen down so many times that Ray even said he thinks it's because Kobe takes their matchup personal (Allen was drafted ahead of Kobe).

Pierce always guards Kobe well though.


Actually, I would disagree with you that Pierce guards Kobe well, always

Plus, the other way around.. Kobe certainly doesn't guard Pierce well either. I have just concluded over the years that Pierce has the size on Kobe that makes it tough. Although I've seen Kobe do a good job on LeBron a few times.. But Kobe and Pierce just haven't guarded each other well at all the past few years (past 7-8 games).
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Post#147 » by Jajwanda » Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:59 am

20% reasonable opinions in here
80% hilarious

Go check Gasol's numbers, he's actually a solid man to man defender at PF. Such arrogance, unbelievable...
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Post#148 » by ShowtimeFan » Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:11 pm

Not sure if anyone here saw this you tube vid with Gasol vs KG


enjoy...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=3nHAuZdEH9Q&feature=related
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Post#149 » by DorfonCeltics » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:07 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Such arrogance, unbelievable...


Really? You should probably go check out the Lakers board and the 10 different threads on how they are locks to win it all this year and then come talk to me about arrogance.

Nobody is saying that this trade wasn't a steal for the Lakers and doesn't make them a much better team. However, this doesn't make them the favorites to win it all. It doesn't even make them the favorites to win the West. They're good but not that good. I still don't see them having a defense good enough to win it all.
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Post#150 » by TonyMontana » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:05 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Really? You should probably go check out the Lakers board and the 10 different threads on how they are locks to win it all this year and then come talk to me about arrogance.

Nobody is saying that this trade wasn't a steal for the Lakers and doesn't make them a much better team. However, this doesn't make them the favorites to win it all. It doesn't even make them the favorites to win the West. They're good but not that good. I still don't see them having a defense good enough to win it all.



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Post#151 » by semi-sentient » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:07 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:Really? You should probably go check out the Lakers board and the 10 different threads on how they are locks to win it all this year and then come talk to me about arrogance.


Really? You should get your eyes checked because there isn't a single thread stating that.
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Post#152 » by TonyMontana » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:11 pm

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Really? You should get your eyes checked because there isn't a single thread stating that.


I agree .
Dont trip S.S , he's only posting that , so others think that his childish disrespect just like other poster on here has a valid excuse .

Its cool Mang
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Post#153 » by Jajwanda » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:57 pm

TonyMontana wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I agree .
Dont trip S.S , he's only posting that , so others think that his childish disrespect just like other poster on here has a valid excuse .

Its cool Mang


Sounds really familiar...
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Post#154 » by LALakers4ever » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:35 pm

2008-2011 Lakers = 4 Peat

Book it!
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Post#155 » by DorfonCeltics » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:48 pm

TonyMontana wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I agree .
Dont trip S.S , he's only posting that , so others think that his childish disrespect just like other poster on here has a valid excuse .

Its cool Mang


What childish disrespect? When did I bash them once in my post? You Laker fans are ready to annoint your team NBA champions and I'll I'm saying is you're going to need much better defense to win it all.

You guys should learn how to take a compliment. What I said was:

The Pau deal was a steal for the Lakers.

AND

This trade makes them a much better team.

Why don't you guys bring something to the table and counter my point saying their defense isn't good enough to be considered favorites in the NBA or even the West.
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Post#156 » by semi-sentient » Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:22 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:Why don't you guys bring something to the table and counter my point saying their defense isn't good enough to be considered favorites in the NBA or even the West.


There are plenty of level-headed posters on the Lakers board that have said just that. In fact, I recently commented on the Spurs board regarding defense and championships.

semi-hungover wrote:Sorry guys, Kwame is coming back to us. ;)

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to renewing the rivalry we had in the early 00's, which has been pretty much the only real rivalry this decade.

You guys still have us though, regardless of how well we look on paper. While I think this makes us an elite team, I don't think it takes us over the top. The only thing that will do that is playing defense consistently, and we haven't done that this season. Teams like SA, Boston, and Detroit know a thing or two about shutting down an elite offense, so unless we improve in that department we're not going to be having any parades any time soon.
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Post#157 » by Rocky5000 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:37 am

ShowtimeFan wrote:Not sure if anyone here saw this you tube vid with Gasol vs KG


enjoy...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=3nHAuZdEH9Q&feature=related

So one dunk is supposed to prove something.
G W L PCT. PF PA
Memphis vs Minnesota 48 14 34 .292 4489 4768
Unfortunately I don't know where to find the head-to-head stats. But KG has definitely had Gasol's number for a while.
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Post#158 » by eatyourchildren » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:08 am

not here to stir ****, but just to add to the discussion:

-Pau is not a great defender, but he does average 1.5-2 blocks per game, and that is a great starting point if you don't think that's his peak. Furthermore, being an agile, long, 7footer has some intrinsic defensive benefits, such as being capable of being a decent help defender (which Kwame never was). If the Lakers can emulate something like the Spurs used to do with the Twin Towers strategy, using Kobe or Odom to funnel an opposing sg/sf into the twin towers, that would be a real boon.

-Finally, remember that when the Celtics only had Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, defense was still a major, major concern even if offense wasnt. It wasn't until the addition of a All-NBA defensive 1st teamer, last name Garnett first name Kevin, that the Celtics had a legit shot at being a defensive-minded team. And the team's defense has been just that--TEAM defense, no the 1on1 defensive scheme that, say, the Pistons have. Bynum is a decent defender and Kobe is a great defender (when he isn't carrying the entire team on his back). We'll make something out of Pau. Sounds kind of like the Celtics situation pre-season, doesn't it?
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Post#159 » by Al n' Perk No Layups! » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:18 am

Laker fans are the new Raptor fans.

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