OT - The Celtics hate is ridculous

Post #21 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:02 am

NetsForce wrote:Well there's that and the fact that a lot of Celtics players like to talk a big game and seem to be disrespecting their opponents this year.

NetsForce wrote:Hey it's an opinion that I and many other fans of other teams hold.

Opinion and fact. Two VERY different things.

Bgil · Post #22 » by **Bgil** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:16 am

vegas_runnin_rebel wrote:
Allen-Rashard Lewis on a team that wasn't built to succeed past a certain point in the playoffs- they didn't have the defense.

True, maybe. But they still went out like some punks.

Just stop.

The Ray Allen lead Sonics destroyed the Kings in the first round, and then they gave the eventual NBA champion Spurs all that they could handle in a 6 game series that would have gone 7 games if not for a Tim Duncan buzzer beater. Even more impressive was the fact that Ray Allen did all of that without the help of Rashard Lewis who was injured for the better part of the Spurs series.

All they could handle? Winning 2 games against the Spurs isn't all that impressive considering the list of teams that have done so. The Nets won two games against them, the 8th place Starbury Suns won two games, the Artest-Bonzi Kings won two...
Often they are a team that plays just good enough to beat their opponents.

If you call that going out like "some punks" I'd love to hear your take on the way the Lakers exit the playoffs each year in the post-Shaq era.

Raise your hand if you picked us to make the playoffs in the West the last two seasons? Raise your hand if you picked us to take 3 games from the two seed? Hell, in preseason people were picking us not to make the playoffs this year.
We overachieved by making the playoffs with a starting lineup including Walton, Cook, Smush, Mihm, and Kwame Brown. And when we got there we played better than anyone expected us to. Did Seattle overachieve in their (one) playoff run? Nope. Did Boston? Nope.

I'll take our post-Shaq record and performance over your record and performance from the same period... any day of the week. Hell, the one time you did make the playoffs you got knocked out with home court by a lower seed.

No Celtics fan is in the position to criticize the Lakers for ANYTHING they've done since at least the Reagan administration.

Bgil · Post #23 » by **Bgil** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:19 am

Condolences for your Patriots BTW.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #24 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:36 am

Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Did Seattle overachieve in their (one) playoff run? Nope. Did Boston? Nope.

Are you kidding me? Yes and yes.

No Celtics fan is in the position to criticize the Lakers for ANYTHING they've done since at least the Reagan administration

Oh yes we are.

Bgil wrote:Condolences for your Patriots BTW.

I'm a Giants fan. Being a Celts fan does NOT make you a Pats fan.[/quote]

EvadedHavoc · Post #25 » by **EvadedHavoc** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:09 am

Al n' Perk No Layups! wrote:I'm a Giants fan. Being a Celts fan does NOT make you a Pats fan.

Word

Joe Kleazy · Post #26 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:06 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:I wish we hadn't played those two games against the Lakers already...just so the C's could settle this quickly.

GregB · Post #27 » by **GregB** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:02 pm

[quote="Joe Kleazy"][/quote]

LOL, Coming from a guy already proclaiming his team NBA champs.

greenbeans · Post #28 » by **greenbeans** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:41 pm

Bgil wrote:They had Wally (prime), Hoiberg, Hassell (prime), and even a couple other guys coming off the bench playing great.

oh my, now THATS a great team

Gus McCrae · Post #29 » by **Gus McCrae** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:48 am

The difference between the Lakers and Celtics is we added a superstar to our team; Celtics gutted a team for 2 superstars.

Lakers were ranked #1 power ranking and #1 in the West w/out Gasol. Then we dropped Kwame and pick up Gasol.

Look at the matchup

Bynum >>Perkins
Gasol<Garnett
Odom< Pierce
Kobe>>Allen (please don't deny this)
Fish>Rondo

(starting lineup=advantage Lakers)

then Bench...

Walton/Ariza/Turiaf/Farmar/Radmonavich/Vujacic

vs

Big Baby/House/Posey/Allen/Scalabrini

(bench=laker advantage,even at best)

If you guys disagree at least admit you can't say the Celtics are superior to the Lakers. I leave in peace and hope to god we meet again in the finals.

GregB · Post #30 » by **GregB** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:51 am

The thing is Gasol isnt a superstar. He is an all star offensive player when healthy. Not so much defensively.

We match up very well defensively against Gasol and Bynum.

Post #31 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:53 am

SoCAL24 wrote:the reason the Lakers will be better than the Celtics is because we just added a superstar to our team; we didn't gut a team for 2 superstars.

Sorry pal, you'll have to bring a better reason than that.

Gus McCrae · Post #32 » by **Gus McCrae** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:55 am

You do..but don't deny you wouldn't love to upgrade at the point and C in a heartbeat. We have a star center (not superstar yet) and a good veteran poing guard. We also have an up and coming pg, I think Rondo and Perkins are fillers for the Celts, not long term;

Our team is assembled and ready to go; I think you guys are still searching for a couple more players; and your big 3 aren't that much better (if better) than our big 3 to make up the difference for the other 2 starters. And our bench is better. and future not mortgaged.

Post #33 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:04 am

I get it: the Lakers have become flawless (overnight!) and will win every single game from now on, sweeping every team in the playoffs. The 5 starters will end up being the All-Defensive team, Vladimir Radmanovic will be the regular season MVP, Lamar Odom the MIP, and Sasha Vujacic will be the Finals MVP.

GregB · Post #34 » by **GregB** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:08 am

I am fine with Rondo at PG. He continues to assert himself more offensively as the year goes on. He has really been driving the lane at will more and more to go with his defensive prowess. He is going to be an upper echelon PG in this league.

Perkins will never be an all star. But He is a perfect defensive compliment to KG and more than capable of getting easy baskets from all the attention KG gets. You keep looking at everything from an offensive point of view.

I wouldnt mind a better ballhandler when teams try and press Eddie House. But, Its not the end of the world.

Gus McCrae · Post #35 » by **Gus McCrae** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:09 am

SuperDeluxe wrote:I get it: the Lakers have become flawless (overnight!) and will win every single game from now on, sweeping every team in the playoffs. The 5 starters will end up being the All-Defensive team, Vladimir Radmanovic will be the regular season MVP, Lamar Odom the MIP, and Sasha Vujacic will be the Finals MVP.

I wouldn't go that far I'm just saying we're as good if not better than the Celtics on paper. And on paper, it looks like our teams will meet in the finals, on paper.

We haven't played a game together yet and Bynum may not even return. But the best possible two teams in the league right now..on paper.. are the Lakers and Celtics. But everyone said the same about the celtics on paper before the big 3 played together and you came out and dominated; which is why I'm even more confident we'll have no trouble doing the same.

Post #36 » by **Bleeding Green** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:13 am

I heard Bynum could miss the whole season. Doesn't that throw a wrench into the "Lakers are amazing OMG OMG OMG" gears?

If Bynum is back by the playoffs that's one thing, but maybe he won't be.

wigglestrue · Post #37 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 7:03 am

SoCAL24 wrote:The difference between the Lakers and Celtics is we added a superstar to our team; Celtics gutted a team for 2 superstars.

He's got a fraction of a point, anyway.

Look at the matchup

Bynum >Perkins
Gasol<Garnett
Odom< Pierce
Kobe>Allen (please don't deny this)
Fish=Rondo

(starting lineup=even)

then Bench...

Walton/Ariza/Turiaf/Farmar/Radmonavich/Vujacic

vs

Big Baby/House/Posey/Allen/Scalabrini

(bench=even)

Fixed stuff for you.
Should be objective now.

I leave in peace and hope to god we meet again in the finals.

Yeah, I don't doubt we will.