Never Mind - Please lock (Delonte's DNP-CD)

Post #21 » by **tlee324** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:20 pm

It's like Delonte never left the team with all the hatred. He's better than Banks. Live with it. And only the haters say he was "pouting" and upset... hate on.

I do think that he'll stay in the league too. Crazy notion.

I also think that with our team currently, we don't need a combo guard. He'd be a solid backup if House feels the need to leave, though.

GuyClinch · Post #22 » by **GuyClinch** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:24 pm

While most players hurriedly dressed - a few literally ran out of the lockerroom to catch red-eye flights - to begin their All-Star break, West sat on a stool in full uniform with his elbows on his knees and a towel draped over his head. Conceivably he was upset about a second straight DNP-CD.

Umm sounds like pouting to me and West is having a miserable year. He isn't playing "better" then anyone - not even Marcus Banks or Brian Scalarbine or any NBA bench player. That's why he can't even get off the bench. Most shooters shoot better from 3 then West from 2.

House does - as does Banks. How West can 'replace" House is BEYOND me. House is shooting .417 from 3 point land. West is shooting .39 from TWO POINT LAND.

Antione WALKER SHOOTS .328 from 3 point land - Delonte West shoot .331. Do you consider WALKER a good 3 point shooter? I mean newsflash..

For those of you too dense for figure it out West sucks..as does the 2008 Antione Walker. But of course he still has his fans too..

Pete

Post #23 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:34 pm

GuyClinch wrote:Umm sounds like pouting to me and West is having a miserable year. He isn't playing "better" then anyone - not even Marcus Banks or Brian Scalarbine or any NBA bench player. That's why he can't even get off the bench. Most shooters shoot better from 3 then West from 2.

House does - as does Banks. How West can 'replace" House is BEYOND me. House is shooting .417 from 3 point land. West is shooting .39 from TWO POINT LAND.

Antione WALKER SHOOTS .328 from 3 point land - Delonte West shoot .331. Do you consider WALKER a good 3 point shooter? I mean newsflash..

For those of you too dense for figure it out West sucks..as does the 2008 Antione Walker. But of course he still has his fans too..

Pete

Delonte has a confidence problem, which likely stems from being traded AND not being able to get over this hump. If he was as bad as you are making him to be, he wouldn't have AVERAGED .487 from the field and .385 from three in 71 games (34.1 mpg) in 2005-06. Those numbers were not a fluke. His current numbers are.

The best stat to show that this is a confidence issue might probably be free-throw shooting percentage: Delonte went from .851 in 2005-06 to .667 this season.

Something's going on with him, and that something is definitely not "Delonte sucks".

Barry Lird · Post #24 » by **Barry Lird** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:49 pm

GuyClinch wrote:...
For those of you too dense for figure it out West sucks..as does the 2008 Antione Walker. But of course he still has his fans too..

Pete

Don't get too carried away with yourself here.

Yeah, if you viewed Delonte's career as if it were just this year, those are pretty miserable stats. Nobody's claiming he's an all-star, not by a long shot. He's not the worthless slug you're trying to portray here either, and it's just foolish to suggest he'll be out of the league next year. Get real.

Having seen him in previous years, I would regard these poor stats as the anomaly, not the rule. One could just as easily look at the 05-06 stats, where he shot .487 from the field, and .385 from three, while getting a lot more minutes.

You think he forgot how to shoot and how to play all of a sudden this year? It's not like he's an old man and going into physical decline.

I don't know what's causing his slump, but a hell of a lot of players go through them (even a great shooter like Ray had a pretty poor shooting month), and I'm sure he'll bounce back too. If Danny could get him for cheap, he'd be a decent 3rd/insurance PG and utility guard. That was the entire point. Not to try and say Delonte is an all-star.

Post #25 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:53 pm

[quote="Barry Lird"][/quote]

You probably have me on ignore, because your post said almost exactly what mine said.

Then again, if you didn't see my last post you are not seeing this one either.

Barry Lird · Post #26 » by **Barry Lird** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:56 pm

SuperDeluxe wrote:-= You probably have me on ignore, because your post said almost exactly what mine said.

Then again, if you didn't see my last post you are not seeing this one either.

Definitely don't have you on ignore, SD. Just was busy writing my own post. Yeah. I noticed yours after I submitted mine. I guess it was the obvious response, huh?

Post #27 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:57 pm

Oops.

EdSkae · Post #28 » by **EdSkae** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:50 am

Dwest is not scrawnier then Rondo and he is a much better defender then House.

sam_I_am · Post #29 » by **sam_I_am** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:21 pm

Pete,

You are dead wrong about Delonte. Delonte is a PG in Seattle and is stuck behind Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour - both are veteran natural PG's who are both significantly better than Eddie House and better PG's than West.

At SG, he is stuck behind rookie phenom and franchise player Kevin Durant. In addition, they have other guys at that position that have been in Seattle that the organization is high on.

Delonte has played very well at times but too many injuries early on cost him his chance. He is obviously not good enough to beat out guys who are similar in talent level.

If he were here in Boston he would be the backup PG period. He is so much better defensively than House, is a much better rebounder and his desire and all out style of play would fit perfectly with what KG and Posey are establishing defensively.

I feel bad for Delonte. He is a team player and his biggest fault is that he isn't aggressive enough in taking his shot. He is unselfish to a fault similar to Rondo except that he doesn't have Rondo's playmaking gifts and can't afford to be unselfish.

To imply that he will be out of the league is ridiculous. Indiana would scoop him instantly if he was a free agent. Orlando would love to have him. Will he score a big contract. No. The trade and the situation in Seattle has screwed him in the short term. If you go back to 2004 draft, Delonte deserved to be picked higher than he was. Many of players taken ahead of him aren't even playing now.

Meanwhile, Marcus Banks - the guy you wanted over Rondo - continues to fail in situations where there is no competition at all.

Post #30 » by **tlee324** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:11 pm

I think he's shown that with time on the floor, he'll give you decent all-around production. You got 12pts/4/4 out of him in Boston a couple of times, but he's not going to be THE guy on any team. He's a backup and a solid one, but of course if you don't play him or give him an inconsistent role, the numbers aren't going to work. Comparing him to Walker is silly, because Walker was a inconsistent player with the attitude and role of a main player. It was in supporting role that he actually performed better in, he just never really wanted to be in that position. He thinks he's a superstar. Just like Ricky Davis, really... he was better as a bench player in Boston but thought he was a superstar too... West doesn't have that opinion of himself, he just wants to contribute, from what I can tell. And the story that's going on in Seattle is different from the one in Boston. He wasn't pouting in Boston. He has playing time and a defined role in Boston, for the most part.

Right now, he wouldn't have much of a role in Boston because the guard combination is working really well.

Pogue Mahone · Post #31 » by **Pogue Mahone** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:17 pm

I am not all into West but I do think he is useful.

That being said, I just wanted to address the statement that he can't be traded for this season as false. The reasoning is that, technically, West was traded last year. The NBA calendar runs from July 1st (start of free agent negotiation period) until 30 June of the following year. Delonte was traded on the 28th of June-- which is technically part of the 2006-07 season.

ICanOutreboundWalter · Post #32 » by **ICanOutreboundWalter** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:06 am

I hear that Delonte is probably going to head to Denver for Von Wafer, Yaku Diawara, and a protected first rounder...Seattle will also send a 2nd rd pick.

Think Delonte could actually be a very nice fit there.

3pt % · Post #33 » by **3pt %** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:15 am

source? interesting if it happens, although that is a lot to give up for Delonte....

Post #34 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:17 am

3pt % wrote:source?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=762977

Apparently Ric Bucher mentioned it on ESPN radio.

3pt % · Post #35 » by **3pt %** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:25 am

Anyone else think it is a lot for Delonte? He is one of the three traded players I would like to see back (with Al and Gomes), but guess it is really just salary and a protected first.

What are Von Wafer and Yaku Diawara doing talent wise?

ICanOutreboundWalter · Post #36 » by **ICanOutreboundWalter** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:28 am

My friend who is a Nuggets fan (and my source, but apparently someone gave a better one above) says that Wafer might be the worst player in the NBA.

Diawara is a FA to be, so Denver probably doesn't view him as a loss since hes a project kind of guy who isn't getting any burn. And a protected first from Denver is likely only 10 picks higher than a 2nd rounder from Seattle.

But yeah, considering on page 1 we were talking about the possibility of a buyout, its more than I would expect.

Datruth345 · Post #37 » by **Datruth345** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:59 am

i would love to get d-west back, but it doesn't look like he is getting bought out so there isn't much of a shot at him sadly

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #38 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:07 am

3pt % wrote:Anyone else think it is a lot for Delonte? He is one of the three traded players I would like to see back (with Al and Gomes), but guess it is really just salary and a protected first.

What are Von Wafer and Yaku Diawara doing talent wise?

Delonte brings three point shooting and solid defense among other things, Denver fans wanted him from us last year. Neither Von nor Yak are doing much.